Ronin225's Candy rimmed Black LCR - Project 500-4WD, Cage installed and bigger turbo

[westallc]

big turbo builds are never simple be prepared for lots of fecking about

 

[cupra-barn]

One very happy Tim lol

Looking forward to do some logging sessions this evening to see what differance the green monster makes!

 

[ultimateauto]

Personally i think your going about this the wrong way mate, your obviously quite handy.. i've read your rebushing guides etc so you should be using this BT project to learn your car inside and out. It will save you a fortune in the end and be an amazing experience.

When you read people running BT set-ups there is always drama along the way to some extent.....

Read loads, buy Haynes manuals etc.... just research everything, Give it a go.... just take your time, Take loadsa pictures during strip down.... observe how things come apart (just think along the lines of is the part symetrical - think can it fit the wrong way round ???does it have to go back the same way round.. if so mark it up)
If you get stuck get on here and ask for advice....

Edit - Just read that back.... not trying to patronise you mate, just give you a bit of confidense to give it a go. Don't worry about the stroker kit.... it'll fit great.

Haynes manual

 

[ultimateauto]

One very happy Tim lol

Looking forward to do some logging sessions this evening to see what differance the green monster makes!

Might come and see you both later

 

[james.l]

i've got a very handy computer program with all the diagrams etc that you can "borrow" if you don't have it already.

 

[Ronin225]

I may have to 'borrow' this program from you if thats ok, everything all helps
Tom i'll be going over to Barn's at about 8 but i think he's got man flu or AIDS or something so might not be up for too much logging

 

[cupra-barn]

I may have to 'borrow' this program from you if thats ok, everything all helps
Tom i'll be going over to Barn's at about 8 but i think he's got man flu or AIDS or something so might not be up for too much logging

OI!! F*^k you...I've had a curry now and I think im all goooood

 

[Ronin225]

Thought that might get your attention, didnt manage to fit the old airbox, etc at break time so late night driveway mods it'll have to be

 

[cupra-barn]

Thought that might get your attention, didnt manage to fit the old airbox, etc at break time so late night driveway mods it'll have to be

lol couldn't not reply to that one. Late night driveway mods always welcome in this household!

 

[Ronin225]

Well went out and did some logging earlier with back to back runs of the green panel filter in airbox with 3" feed vs the green monster cone, so quite consistent
So first 3 runs using airbox

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.44	2880	91.92	98.8	18.8	0.01	0	0	0	0
	1.24	3120	90.08	100	13.5	0.84	0	0	0	0
	2.06	3400	100	100	18.8	1.66	0	0	0	0
	2.86	3680	105.78	100	15.8	2.46	0	0	0	0
	3.66	3920	114.39	99.6	19.5	3.26	0	3	3	0
	4.47	4200	120.06	100	16.5	4.06	0	3	3	0
	5.37	4440	130.39	100	17.3	4.97	0	2.3	2.3	0
	6.28	4720	132.78	100	17.3	5.88	0	2.3	2.3	0
	7.08	4960	142.28	100	16.5	6.68	0	1.5	1.5	0
	7.99	5200	149.11	100	17.3	7.48	0	1.5	1.5	0
	8.89	5440	162.44	100	17.3	8.49	0	1.5	1.5	0
	9.89	5720	173.11	100	15	9.4	0	0.8	0.8	0
	10.71	5880	182.75	100	15.8	10.29	0	0.8	0.8	0
	11.61	6080	187.28	99.2	16.5	11.11	0	0	0	0
	12.41	6240	187.28	99.6	18	12.01	0	0	0	0
	13.22	6400	187.64	100	19.5	12.82	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.41	2840	93.08	98.4	16.5	0.01	0	0	0	0
	1.31	3160	87.22	100	14.3	0.91	0	1.5	0	0
	2.11	3400	99.22	100	18	1.71	0	1.5	0	0
	2.92	3680	105.83	100	18.8	2.52	0	0	0	0
	3.72	3920	114.78	100	19.5	3.32	0	0	0	0
	4.52	4200	119.06	100	19.5	4.12	0	0	0	0
	5.34	4440	126.83	100	18.8	4.94	0	0	0	0
	6.23	4680	132.39	100	18	5.83	0	0	0	0
	7.05	4920	141.25	100	17.3	6.64	0	0	0	0
	7.95	5200	151	100	16.5	7.55	0	0	0	0
	8.86	5440	164.03	100	15.8	8.46	0	0	0	0
	9.66	5640	172.25	100	15.8	9.26	0	0	0	0
	10.46	5840	181.25	100	15.8	10.06	0	0	0	0
	11.27	6040	184.83	100	15.8	10.86	0	0	0	0
	12.07	6200	188.17	99.6	18	11.67	0	0	0	0
	12.87	6360	185.44	98.8	18.8	12.47	0	0	0	0
	13.69	6520	182.75	97.6	20.3	13.27	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.36	2800	81.69	96.5	10.5	0.77	0	0	0	0
	1.27	3080	87.33	100	13.5	1.67	0	0	0	0
	2.18	3400	99.44	100	17.3	2.67	0	0	0	0
	3.07	3680	107.14	100	18.8	3.47	0	0	0	0
	3.87	3960	114.36	100	19.5	4.29	0	0	0	0
	4.69	4200	118.28	100	19.5	5.09	0	0	0	0
	5.59	4440	128.14	100	18.8	6	0	0	0	0
	6.4	4720	132.97	100	12.8	6.9	0	0	0	0
	7.3	4960	143.69	100	16.5	7.7	0	0	0	0
	8.11	5200	152.08	100	16.5	8.61	0	0	0	0
	9.01	5440	161.14	100	16.5	9.41	0	0	0	0
	9.81	5640	171.58	100	15.8	10.22	0	0	0	0
	10.63	5840	181.25	100	15.8	11.02	0	0	0	0
	11.43	6040	185.75	100	15.8	11.84	0	0	0	0
	12.33	6240	180.53	51	18.8	12.85	0	0	0	0
	13.35	6440	175.03	51.8	19.5	13.74	0	0	0	0

So quite consistent results with a max reading of 188.17, which using the rough formula works out at 235.21hp

 

[Ronin225]

Then in a quick 5 minute change over on the side of the road swapped back to the mahoosive cone to log that, ended up doing 4 runs but what the hell

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.01	2720	34.25	23.1	30.8	0.4	0	0	0	0
	0.81	2920	95.67	99.2	15.8	1.31	3	0	0	0
	1.71	3240	91.81	100	16.5	2.11	3	0	0	0
	2.52	3480	102.28	100	15	3.02	2.3	0	0	0
	3.42	3800	110.75	100	19.5	3.82	2.3	0	0	0
	4.22	4040	115.11	100	18.8	4.64	1.5	0	0	0
	5.13	4320	125.92	100	17.3	5.53	1.5	3	0	0
	5.93	4560	131.78	100	15.8	6.33	1.5	3	0	0
	6.75	4800	134.31	100	17.3	7.15	0.8	2.3	0	0
	7.55	5000	144.92	100	17.3	7.95	0.8	2.3	0	0
	8.35	5240	157.92	100	15.8	8.86	0	1.5	0	0
	9.26	5480	173.33	100	15.8	9.66	0	1.5	0	0
	10.15	5720	181.25	100	15.8	10.57	0	1.5	0	0
	10.97	5920	190	100	15.8	11.37	0	0.8	0	0
	11.78	6120	185.42	50.2	16.5	12.18	0	0.8	0	0
	12.58	6280	178.89	50.2	19.5	13.08	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.01	2720	35.17	19.2	29.3	0.4	0	0	0	0
	0.8	2840	86.81	94.5	20.3	1.2	0	3	0	0
	1.6	3120	86.42	100	12	2.01	0	3	0	0
	2.51	3440	100.5	100	18	2.91	0	2.3	0	0
	3.42	3720	107.64	100	18.8	3.82	0	2.3	0	3
	4.32	4000	115.39	100	20.3	4.83	0	1.5	0	3
	5.23	4280	123.58	100	15.8	5.63	0	1.5	0	3
	6.12	4560	132.58	100	17.3	6.52	0	1.5	0	2.3
	6.94	4760	134.92	100	14.3	7.44	0	0.8	0	2.3
	7.84	5040	147.19	100	15.8	8.24	0	0.8	0	1.5
	8.65	5280	158.89	100	16.5	9.15	0	0	0	1.5
	9.55	5520	172.83	100	12.8	9.95	0	0	0	0.8
	10.46	5760	186.33	100	12.8	10.86	0	0	0	0.8
	11.26	5960	193.08	100	14.3	11.66	0	0	0	0.8
	12.06	6120	183.33	49.8	17.3	12.47	0	0	0	0
	12.88	6320	182.44	48.2	17.3	13.27	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.01	2680	55.56	28.6	24.8	0.4	0	0	0	0
	0.8	2880	92.36	100	12.8	1.2	3	0	0	0
	1.71	3200	89.36	100	15.8	2.11	3	0	0	0
	2.51	3480	99.75	100	16.5	3.01	2.3	0	0	0
	3.41	3760	109.08	100	19.5	3.82	2.3	0	0	0
	4.32	4040	118.69	100	18	4.72	1.5	0	0	0
	5.12	4280	124.97	99.6	18.8	5.53	1.5	0	0	0
	5.93	4520	132.42	99.2	15.8	6.33	0.8	0	0	0
	6.73	4760	132.39	100	17.3	7.13	0.8	0	0	0
	7.53	5000	142.47	100	16.5	7.93	0.8	0	0	0
	8.35	5240	155.28	100	15.8	8.85	0	0	0	0
	9.24	5480	173.67	100	15.8	9.66	0	0	0	0
	10.04	5680	182.75	99.6	15	10.46	0	0	0	0
	10.86	5920	191.53	100	15.8	11.28	0	0	0	0
	11.77	6120	184.22	51.4	17.3	12.17	0	0	0	0
	12.57	6280	180.67	49.4	18.8	12.97	0	0	0	0
	13.39	6440	182.75	51.4	18	13.88	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.49	2760	76.39	90.6	21.8	0.01	0	0	0	0
	1.31	3000	89.72	100	12	0.89	0	0	3	0
	2.2	3320	96.89	100	18	1.8	0	0	3	0
	3.12	3600	102.58	100	17.3	2.72	0	0	2.3	0
	3.91	3840	113	100	19.5	3.52	0	0	2.3	0
	4.71	4120	119.78	100	18	4.32	0	0	2.3	0
	5.63	4400	126.83	100	19.5	5.13	0	0	1.5	0
	6.54	4640	133.14	100	16.5	6.03	0	0	1.5	0
	7.34	4880	141.44	100	16.5	6.94	0	0	0.8	0
	8.14	5120	145.78	100	13.5	7.74	0	0	0.8	0
	9.05	5360	163.56	100	15.8	8.65	0	0	0	0
	9.95	5600	177.14	100	15	9.45	0	0	0	0
	10.76	5880	189.69	100	12.8	10.36	0	0	0	0
	11.66	6080	198.75	100	13.5	11.26	0	0	0	0
	12.47	6240	182.75	48.6	15	12.07	0	0	0	0
	13.37	6400	182.44	49	19.5	12.98	0	0	0	0
	14.28	6560	178.89	51.4	21	13.78	0	0	0	0
	15.08	6200	0	8.6	7.5	14.68	0	0	0	0

Anyway this yielded a max flow of 198.75
This works out as an increase of 10.58g/s in cone over filter
Also the max flow works out to 248.43hp which is nice considering its still on the OE map

 

[Phillc]

The CF's are interesting in that there is no consistency between the cylinders in any of the runs

 

[Ronin225]

No individual cylinder causing any problems but the CF's arent high and mainly lower down in the rev range.
The only thing i did notice and feel was about 6k rpm it holds back, looking at the load it drops to 50ish% but foot is still flat, dont know why?
Especially as at this point i'm getting 0 CF's across the board, maybe too much air flow??

 

[cupra-barn]

No individual cylinder causing any problems but the CF's arent high and mainly lower down in the rev range.
The only thing i did notice and feel was about 6k rpm it holds back, looking at the load it drops to 50ish% but foot is still flat, dont know why?
Especially as at this point i'm getting 0 CF's across the board, maybe too much air flow??

Not dropping as much as me have you got my log? Want to pose the question lol

 

[Ronin225]

Only a small update but Southbend stage 3 clutch and single mass flywheel now ordered.
Also got some LED bulbs to illuminate my rear numberplate as one of them has died, cheers Barn

 

[cupra-barn]

Help where I can

 

[ibizacupra]

Then in a quick 5 minute change over on the side of the road swapped back to the mahoosive cone to log that, ended up doing 4 runs but what the hell

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.01	2720	34.25	23.1	30.8	0.4	0	0	0	0
	0.81	2920	95.67	99.2	15.8	1.31	3	0	0	0
	1.71	3240	91.81	100	16.5	2.11	3	0	0	0
	2.52	3480	102.28	100	15	3.02	2.3	0	0	0
	3.42	3800	110.75	100	19.5	3.82	2.3	0	0	0
	4.22	4040	115.11	100	18.8	4.64	1.5	0	0	0
	5.13	4320	125.92	100	17.3	5.53	1.5	3	0	0
	5.93	4560	131.78	100	15.8	6.33	1.5	3	0	0
	6.75	4800	134.31	100	17.3	7.15	0.8	2.3	0	0
	7.55	5000	144.92	100	17.3	7.95	0.8	2.3	0	0
	8.35	5240	157.92	100	15.8	8.86	0	1.5	0	0
	9.26	5480	173.33	100	15.8	9.66	0	1.5	0	0
	10.15	5720	181.25	100	15.8	10.57	0	1.5	0	0
	10.97	5920	190	100	15.8	11.37	0	0.8	0	0
	11.78	6120	185.42	50.2	16.5	12.18	0	0.8	0	0
	12.58	6280	178.89	50.2	19.5	13.08	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.01	2720	35.17	19.2	29.3	0.4	0	0	0	0
	0.8	2840	86.81	94.5	20.3	1.2	0	3	0	0
	1.6	3120	86.42	100	12	2.01	0	3	0	0
	2.51	3440	100.5	100	18	2.91	0	2.3	0	0
	3.42	3720	107.64	100	18.8	3.82	0	2.3	0	3
	4.32	4000	115.39	100	20.3	4.83	0	1.5	0	3
	5.23	4280	123.58	100	15.8	5.63	0	1.5	0	3
	6.12	4560	132.58	100	17.3	6.52	0	1.5	0	2.3
	6.94	4760	134.92	100	14.3	7.44	0	0.8	0	2.3
	7.84	5040	147.19	100	15.8	8.24	0	0.8	0	1.5
	8.65	5280	158.89	100	16.5	9.15	0	0	0	1.5
	9.55	5520	172.83	100	12.8	9.95	0	0	0	0.8
	10.46	5760	186.33	100	12.8	10.86	0	0	0	0.8
	11.26	5960	193.08	100	14.3	11.66	0	0	0	0.8
	12.06	6120	183.33	49.8	17.3	12.47	0	0	0	0
	12.88	6320	182.44	48.2	17.3	13.27	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.01	2680	55.56	28.6	24.8	0.4	0	0	0	0
	0.8	2880	92.36	100	12.8	1.2	3	0	0	0
	1.71	3200	89.36	100	15.8	2.11	3	0	0	0
	2.51	3480	99.75	100	16.5	3.01	2.3	0	0	0
	3.41	3760	109.08	100	19.5	3.82	2.3	0	0	0
	4.32	4040	118.69	100	18	4.72	1.5	0	0	0
	5.12	4280	124.97	99.6	18.8	5.53	1.5	0	0	0
	5.93	4520	132.42	99.2	15.8	6.33	0.8	0	0	0
	6.73	4760	132.39	100	17.3	7.13	0.8	0	0	0
	7.53	5000	142.47	100	16.5	7.93	0.8	0	0	0
	8.35	5240	155.28	100	15.8	8.85	0	0	0	0
	9.24	5480	173.67	100	15.8	9.66	0	0	0	0
	10.04	5680	182.75	99.6	15	10.46	0	0	0	0
	10.86	5920	191.53	100	15.8	11.28	0	0	0	0
	11.77	6120	184.22	51.4	17.3	12.17	0	0	0	0
	12.57	6280	180.67	49.4	18.8	12.97	0	0	0	0
	13.39	6440	182.75	51.4	18	13.88	0	0	0	0

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.49	2760	76.39	90.6	21.8	0.01	0	0	0	0
	1.31	3000	89.72	100	12	0.89	0	0	3	0
	2.2	3320	96.89	100	18	1.8	0	0	3	0
	3.12	3600	102.58	100	17.3	2.72	0	0	2.3	0
	3.91	3840	113	100	19.5	3.52	0	0	2.3	0
	4.71	4120	119.78	100	18	4.32	0	0	2.3	0
	5.63	4400	126.83	100	19.5	5.13	0	0	1.5	0
	6.54	4640	133.14	100	16.5	6.03	0	0	1.5	0
	7.34	4880	141.44	100	16.5	6.94	0	0	0.8	0
	8.14	5120	145.78	100	13.5	7.74	0	0	0.8	0
	9.05	5360	163.56	100	15.8	8.65	0	0	0	0
	9.95	5600	177.14	100	15	9.45	0	0	0	0
	10.76	5880	189.69	100	12.8	10.36	0	0	0	0
	11.66	6080	198.75	100	13.5	11.26	0	0	0	0
	12.47	6240	182.75	48.6	15	12.07	0	0	0	0
	13.37	6400	182.44	49	19.5	12.98	0	0	0	0
	14.28	6560	178.89	51.4	21	13.78	0	0	0	0
	15.08	6200	0	8.6	7.5	14.68	0	0	0	0

Anyway this yielded a max flow of 198.75
This works out as an increase of 10.58g/s in cone over filter
Also the max flow works out to 248.43hp which is nice considering its still on the OE map

is this screened or descreened maf?

 

[Ronin225]

Bill, its the stock screened 80mm MAF, Original one the car came with so 6+ years old now possibly under reading a few g/s too

 

[8bit]

Nice logs, I'd say that looks like pretty healthy airflow for stock map. Mine was showing about 190+ g/s on a brand new OEM MAF just before I got remapped. Guess you've been lucky and got the only bombproof MAF Bosch ever made!

Total respect for going straight from stock to big turbo, that's going to be... fun

 

[Ronin225]

Cheers mate, would be interesting to see if a brand new MAF would read even higher?