Selling a nearly new car?
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Yeah. Looks like I am stuck with it then. I will hate this car from now on, knowing that I'm paying finance on a car I hate that's now (relatively) worthless will eat a hole in my soul.
Sad but true. I really wish I'd never set eyes on this ****ing car now.
Sad but true. I really wish I'd never set eyes on this ****ing car now.
You don't have to hate it mate, try a set of decent tyres and even drop down to an 18 inch wheel, it may just transform the car. If it doesn't you can always sell the wheels and tyres on.
Got to be worth a try!
Got to be worth a try!
Give it more time. It's a very different car to the Evo, it's going to do something's worse but other things better.
I went from an Exige to a 350z, I disliked the zed massively, but it was a grower and I now really enjoy it.
I went from an Exige to a 350z, I disliked the zed massively, but it was a grower and I now really enjoy it.
Not wishing to depress anyone with this but just put the details of my Cupra into the We Buy Any Car website just to see how they valued the car. Mine is a 14 plate five months old with 2500 miles on the clock........
Their valuation.............£14,350
Now that IS taking the p155![[:@]](/forums/styles/seatcupra/oldforumsmileys/furious.gif "Furious [:@]")
Their valuation.............£14,350
Now that IS taking the p155
I have both those road tests in front of me. Autocar do a dry circuit time and a lap on a wet track. Thing is that it was raining the day they tested the Golf so both its laps were wet. Times were:
Dry circuit: Leon 1:15.4 Golf 1:17.4 (described in the mag as streaming wet)
Wet circuit: Leon 1:15.7 Golf 1:14
I don't think any of those times constitute a win, as the dry lap time for the Golf can't really be counted. The Golf also did 0-60 in those same streaming wet conditions in 4.8 seconds.
If you can"t believe (as you said previously) magazine road tests, you think all the dealers are Muppets and based on the track test above , why did you go for a Leon ?
In addition the timings are one thing, but how difficult was it to get those times in each car? The driver of the Golf could step out looking like he'd been 10 rounds with Tyson , the Leon driver like he'd been to the shops. ( I don't know, I've not read the articles).
You have complained about many issues on your car, but then refuse to take it to a dealers to get it sorted. If you are that concerned that all of the staff who work at dealers are useless , why buy a new car? Get yourself a 5 year old model of your liking, with the change buy a load of tools and look after it yourself..
From what I remember on youtube, the Cupra beat the Golf R in the same conditions. Raced one after the other.
Driving a car is entirely subjective, and one car does not suit everyone's driving style. The worst thing you can do is have a knee jerk reaction and try and get rid. You have a new engine, let it bed in. The mechanical energy used to overcome frictional losses are at its greatest with a new engine.
You will adapt to the car, naturally.
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If you can"t believe (as you said previously) magazine road tests, you think all the dealers are Muppets and based on the track test above , why did you go for a Leon ?
In addition the timings are one thing, but how difficult was it to get those times in each car? The driver of the Golf could step out looking like he'd been 10 rounds with Tyson , the Leon driver like he'd been to the shops. ( I don't know, I've not read the articles).
You have complained about many issues on your car, but then refuse to take it to a dealers to get it sorted. If you are that concerned that all of the staff who work at dealers are useless , why buy a new car? Get yourself a 5 year old model of your liking, with the change buy a load of tools and look after it yourself..
Kazand
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Emocion red Cupra 280
Passat disesal workride
F*** No Holding back then say it as it is
In addition the timings are one thing, but how difficult was it to get those times in each car? The driver of the Golf could step out looking like he'd been 10 rounds with Tyson , the Leon driver like he'd been to the shops. ( I don't know, I've not read the articles).
You have complained about many issues on your car, but then refuse to take it to a dealers to get it sorted. If you are that concerned that all of the staff who work at dealers are useless , why buy a new car? Get yourself a 5 year old model of your liking, with the change buy a load of tools and look after it yourself..
Kazand
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Emocion red Cupra 280
Passat disesal workride
F*** No Holding back then say it as it is
I'll explain, shall I? This car is both my first ever new car and my first SEAT. It is specifically SEAT dealers and, to an extent, my SEAT car that I think are rubbish. This is a forum for SEAT enthusiasts/owners, so I'm hardly going to join a Mercedes forum to bitch about my car, as where would that get me? Nearly all of these one marque forums are full of people wearing blinkers who think their car/make of car is the best thing ever and get all uppity when someone like me and the OP come along and say it might not be the bestest car ever, but for every blinkered fool getting the arse with my posts there could be someone reading who is considering buying a SEAT. If I can put just one of those readers off doing just that then I'll consider my time spent here worthwhile!
I'm with you mate. Thanks for speaking out. I wish I hadn't bought it. I don't need to 'man up' and I won't adapt to driving around slowly because the car keeps breaking traction. I'm certainly not going to spend a further 1200 quid on new wheels and sticky tyres because in my opinion, I've spent 28k and I expect it to grip!
To the OP, I have sympathy with you for being so disappointed but I think this is a lesson to others that you should research what you are buying and consider what reviewers are actually comparing the Cupra to. Personally I love my Cupra but I know it has limitations and I expected these when I put the deposit down:
The Cupra is a front wheel drive hot hatch. It costs £28000. How you expected it to even nearly compare with a 4wd Mitsubishi Evo that I gather costs upwards of £45,000 when bought new is beyond me. Forgive me if I have mistinterpreted your expectations on that subject.
I agree that some of the reviews have represented hyperbole. Loads of them have commented favourably regarding stability, traction and lack of torque steer. Compared to my old Astra VXR, however, this car is light years ahead on these things. Compared to a car that can apply power through all 4 wheels, however, and I can't see how it is physically possible (certainly for £28,000) to lay down power as well - particularly in the wet.
Unless someone can completely redesign a car to place the centre of gravity much much closer to the driven wheels, the fundamental limitations of a hot hatch will never change. They will also always be comparably more affordable bhp for bhp compared to a 4wd car.
The Cupra is a front wheel drive hot hatch. It costs £28000. How you expected it to even nearly compare with a 4wd Mitsubishi Evo that I gather costs upwards of £45,000 when bought new is beyond me. Forgive me if I have mistinterpreted your expectations on that subject.
I agree that some of the reviews have represented hyperbole. Loads of them have commented favourably regarding stability, traction and lack of torque steer. Compared to my old Astra VXR, however, this car is light years ahead on these things. Compared to a car that can apply power through all 4 wheels, however, and I can't see how it is physically possible (certainly for £28,000) to lay down power as well - particularly in the wet.
Unless someone can completely redesign a car to place the centre of gravity much much closer to the driven wheels, the fundamental limitations of a hot hatch will never change. They will also always be comparably more affordable bhp for bhp compared to a 4wd car.
Having had a Golf before, I was fortunate enough to already have the wheels and tyres now on my Leon, so I've not spent any money on it, but I will be getting shot of it when my losses have diminished a bit more. Apparently on a PCP you can walk away once you've paid off 50% of what you owe, so I'll be doing that.
I'm with you mate. Thanks for speaking out. I wish I hadn't bought it. I don't need to 'man up' and I won't adapt to driving around slowly because the car keeps breaking traction. I'm certainly not going to spend a further 1200 quid on new wheels and sticky tyres because in my opinion, I've spent 28k and I expect it to grip!
I'm sympathetic towards your situation and it really sucks that you don't like the car, but if you expect a non-4wd performance car to stick to the road in freezing wet weather then you are mistaken.
I'm not trying to argue, i'm just wondering why you thought 280HP and 350NM through a FWD car with summer tyres in cold weather was ever going to give you lots of grip ? If you want all weather performance then you need to be looking at the Golf R or Audi S3. But then come summer, neither of them will be as dynamic and nice to drive when the tarmac is bone dry and toasty warm.
You don't even need much power to lose traction in cold wet weather. I'm running a 105hp 250nm 1.6TDI Ibiza at the moment, and I can get the stability control light on my dash flashing in 2nd gear in cold/wet conditions if I put my foot down a lot.
Yup, this. Pretty much what I said too.
I'm not going to pretend seat are the best quality car out there. They certainly arn't. But I do believe you are in the minority, and that you are quite unlucky. Some cars just role off the factory line as pigs. Someone at work had a new BMW M4, it had a catastrophic oil leak while going down the motorway, destroying the engine, gearbox and turbo. That's pretty bad, and unlucky for him. Doesn't mean the M4 is a bad car though
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But taking your line of thinking, maybe the Cupra driver wasn't trying too hard as he did not want to upset VW. I knew you would say this as the test that the Cupra beats the Golf R was another AE one, but proves my point that tests do have a winner and mags don't worry what the manufacturers think. PS have you seen where the Golf R appears on the ring lap time, well down on the Cupra because of that extra weight. 4WD might give a quick getaway but disappears on a dry track for a similarly powered car.
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Most of my complaints on here have been regarding the gearbox fault and my unhappiness with the dealers ability to fix it at my convenience, but the fault has seemingly cured itself without their unhelpful intervention. My second biggest issue is the headlights, which I think are crap, but others think are amazing, so we'll have to differ on that one. Now we get to the third issue of traction, which seems to be the main discussion point in this thread. The Leon is claimed to have an electronically controlled LSD which supposedly gives amazing grip and virtually eliminates understeer. That doesn't happen. This might be down to the Bridgestone tyres, as I strongly suspect, but the magic diff requires you to keep the accelerator pedal pressed mid corner for it to work, but this just causes more understeer, not the amazing change to the laws of physics I was promised by the brochure and magazine reviews. Only once have I felt the diff working its stuff and all the other times the tyres just give up and the car washes wide causing me to back off the gas. That isn't what I expected...
To everyone. I didn't expect it to grip like my Evo. I just expected it to be considerably better than it is.
I once had an Escort RS Turbo. They were a big deal once, and I had one that I spent loads on. 230bhp, and trust me, that was a HUGE deal back then. Magazine faetures etc. I took part in Performance Fords group 'thrash' with it. Now, when I had this car every time I looked out the window and saw rain, I was crestfallen, as this meant no fun in the RST. It's the same with this Cupra. I don't know if mine is broken, or you're all better at driving than me but when I see the wet roads I am ready for crying! It means I am not going out for a blast. You all have to understand, I have NO other hobby. I don't go down the pub, I don't play golf, dive, etc etc. It's just cars. And to have basically given all my money to Arnold Clark, and get something I feel is terrible in return, is crushing! I don't hate the car, it's very nice. Comfy, nice features, etc etc blah blah. But as a performance product, it's not up to scratch. I'm now stuck paying finance for the damn thing, and had I known this would lose value so fast I'd never have bought it! Someone said their 6 month old car was valued at 14k????? Madness! I should have bought an Alfa Romeo if I wanted to lose money that fast!!
I read the same reviews, and watched the same videos on the internet. I test drove one on a hot August afternoon. It was a 'short' test drive, and the salesman kept me away from the bendy stuff and stuck to the dual carrigeways, probably because it was the managers personal car and he didn't want me to wipe it out. Had I know what I know now, I;d not have touched it. I am not comparing this to the Evo, it doesn't compare AT ALL. The Evo was ballistic in all weathers. I am comparing this to my 138bhp diesel Passat. Which was slower, uglier, smellier, but had more front end grip with it's £65 Continetals than this thing does! I'm just gutted that it's doing none of the stuff I was expecting it to do, while at the same time it's now worthless! I wish I'd bought mine on PCP, because that way I'd still have the money I gave Arnold as the 50% deposit. But now, as it stands, I'll have about 5k back IF I'm LUCKY.
I'm not trying to tell you all your cars are ****. Just that it's not the car I thought it would be. It doesn't live up the hype.
I once had an Escort RS Turbo. They were a big deal once, and I had one that I spent loads on. 230bhp, and trust me, that was a HUGE deal back then. Magazine faetures etc. I took part in Performance Fords group 'thrash' with it. Now, when I had this car every time I looked out the window and saw rain, I was crestfallen, as this meant no fun in the RST. It's the same with this Cupra. I don't know if mine is broken, or you're all better at driving than me but when I see the wet roads I am ready for crying! It means I am not going out for a blast. You all have to understand, I have NO other hobby. I don't go down the pub, I don't play golf, dive, etc etc. It's just cars. And to have basically given all my money to Arnold Clark, and get something I feel is terrible in return, is crushing! I don't hate the car, it's very nice. Comfy, nice features, etc etc blah blah. But as a performance product, it's not up to scratch. I'm now stuck paying finance for the damn thing, and had I known this would lose value so fast I'd never have bought it! Someone said their 6 month old car was valued at 14k????? Madness! I should have bought an Alfa Romeo if I wanted to lose money that fast!!
I read the same reviews, and watched the same videos on the internet. I test drove one on a hot August afternoon. It was a 'short' test drive, and the salesman kept me away from the bendy stuff and stuck to the dual carrigeways, probably because it was the managers personal car and he didn't want me to wipe it out. Had I know what I know now, I;d not have touched it. I am not comparing this to the Evo, it doesn't compare AT ALL. The Evo was ballistic in all weathers. I am comparing this to my 138bhp diesel Passat. Which was slower, uglier, smellier, but had more front end grip with it's £65 Continetals than this thing does! I'm just gutted that it's doing none of the stuff I was expecting it to do, while at the same time it's now worthless! I wish I'd bought mine on PCP, because that way I'd still have the money I gave Arnold as the 50% deposit. But now, as it stands, I'll have about 5k back IF I'm LUCKY.
I'm not trying to tell you all your cars are ****. Just that it's not the car I thought it would be. It doesn't live up the hype.
The stock tyres are pants, but even with them grip in the dry in my Cupra is excellent to be fair. Any decent powered FWD car is going to struggle with traction this time of year.
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