I'm all for a lively debate guys, but don't you think this might be getting a tad personal in some instances? If Kahn and J400 want to go and buy a Ford, then that's absolutely fine by me. Similarly maybe some credence should be given to realising that some people actually like their Ibizas and really haven't had any issues with them?
I wish I knew. They have always seemed pro Ford in my experience. AFAIK they haven't looked at the 1.2 TSI in the Ibiza.
I like the reviews by the German AA (www.adac.de). I don't think they take advertising and all cars are tested under the same conditions. Motoring Which? in the UK use these reviews though they don't make it clear!
They haven't looked at the 1.2 TSI in the Ibiza but thought it excellent in the Polo.
The comparison of the Ibiza 1.4 Stylance (SE) and Fiesta 1.6 Titanium is interesting. Ibiza August 2008, Fiesta September 2008.
Short summary. Overall score of Ibiza is 2.0, Fiesta 2.4. (Lower scores are better).
Ibiza scores better in categories:-Body/Trunk, Interior, Comfort, Motor/drive, Handling, Security and Economy.
The Fiesta scores better in just one category:- Environment/EcoTest
Much is made in the UK of the Fiesta's refinement but ADAC measure the sound level at 130 km/h and the Ibiza comes off better with 68 dB as against the Fiesta's 71 db. The Fiesta 1.25 also scores 2.4 overall and the noise level is 72 dB.
I fear this post has gone way wide of the original question. In an attempt to bring it back on track, here are my opinions of my 10 plate 1.6 CR Tdi.
I have owned the car for 19 months and done just over 25,000 miles in it. The DPF has never caused me any problems, even when used for about six months in city centre congestion, it handled it fine. I have never had a DPF light on to date.
The worst fuel consumption I have had over a full tank of fuel is 47 mpg, but that was driving it like it was stolen. I have averaged 73mpg for a full tank of fuel but that was mainly motorway and I was driving very economically. In the main the car delivers 55mpg+.
As for reliability, the car has only suffered one fault in the 19 months I have owned it. Last friday I had my windscreen smashed by a stone, not really Seats fault though.
Whilst there have been a lot of comments on this post, many are from people who have no experience of owning a 1.6 CR Tdi. Take it from someone who owns one, the 1.6 is NOT a bad engine. It may have had some DPF issues in the early days but they appear to be resolved now.
I have owned the car for 19 months and done just over 25,000 miles in it. The DPF has never caused me any problems, even when used for about six months in city centre congestion, it handled it fine. I have never had a DPF light on to date.
The worst fuel consumption I have had over a full tank of fuel is 47 mpg, but that was driving it like it was stolen. I have averaged 73mpg for a full tank of fuel but that was mainly motorway and I was driving very economically. In the main the car delivers 55mpg+.
As for reliability, the car has only suffered one fault in the 19 months I have owned it. Last friday I had my windscreen smashed by a stone, not really Seats fault though.
Whilst there have been a lot of comments on this post, many are from people who have no experience of owning a 1.6 CR Tdi. Take it from someone who owns one, the 1.6 is NOT a bad engine. It may have had some DPF issues in the early days but they appear to be resolved now.
Well said Biker.
Back on topic, I do think you've got one of the GOOD 1.6TDi engines in your steed!
I did say that the DPF issues mainly affect cars driven predominately in an urban environment. In fairness to Seat, other makes of car do suffer this issue as well, though the 1.6TDI engines seem to be more affected than most. I know of someone with a 1.6 Golf Bluemotion and he's had exactly the same issue with the DPF clogging up due to his urban commute 5 days a week... Same engine as in the Ibiza... He says his fuel consumption is mid-fifties so about the same as the Ibiza in most cases.
Back on topic, I do think you've got one of the GOOD 1.6TDi engines in your steed!
I did say that the DPF issues mainly affect cars driven predominately in an urban environment. In fairness to Seat, other makes of car do suffer this issue as well, though the 1.6TDI engines seem to be more affected than most. I know of someone with a 1.6 Golf Bluemotion and he's had exactly the same issue with the DPF clogging up due to his urban commute 5 days a week... Same engine as in the Ibiza... He says his fuel consumption is mid-fifties so about the same as the Ibiza in most cases....... and it seems that the DPF issues and mpg variability affect the 1.6 much more than the 2.0 or 1.2 diesels. Surely the 1.6's aren't used more for short journeys than the 1.2 are they? I suppose the 2.0 might be expected to get more out of town use however.
Whilst I respect your opinions Network Man, might I ask you on what do you base them. Have you owned a 1.6 CR tdi?
No, I decided not to risk a DPF since I don't do enough miles to justify a diesel. I went for a 1.2 TSI.
Even if I did have one I would only be able to comment on a statistically insignificant sample of one.
I'm just basing my comments on the slightly greater statistical significance of the comments in this and other forums - still pretty unscientific but what better can we do?
Good point, but most of the negative comments regarding the 1.6 CR Tdi come from people like yourself. People who have no actual experience of the engine! In my opinion that doesn't qualify them as "statisticaly significant"
Look back through this post, see how many people take a swipe at the 1.6 CR Tdi and how many of them have any real life experience of it!
Having owned a 1.6tdi and recently chopping it in due to DPF issues, I feel that I am entitled to have my say
It appears to be very much a case of luck in wether or not you get a good un ! I don't for a minute think that the 1.6 tdi engine itself is a bad engine it seems to be problems with the engine working in conjunction with the ecu and the restrictive DPF.
Continuously idling at 1000 rpm, shuddering and restrictive power gets a tad tedious. Other than that they are great cars even though I also had to get new engine mounts at 17000 miles
It appears to be very much a case of luck in wether or not you get a good un ! I don't for a minute think that the 1.6 tdi engine itself is a bad engine it seems to be problems with the engine working in conjunction with the ecu and the restrictive DPF.
Continuously idling at 1000 rpm, shuddering and restrictive power gets a tad tedious. Other than that they are great cars even though I also had to get new engine mounts at 17000 miles
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cheers guys for the in-depth input. You have given me alot to think about so will be taking my time making a decision. Im more pushed for the 2.0 TDI engine but still undecided.
thanks again
thanks again
I hear what you are saying mate, and of course you are absolutely entitled to your views. I respect that.
Speaking as one of the folk that doesn't have the 1.6TDI engine in their car I still think I am entitled to express a view based on what information I have gained after reading many reports and views posted by 1.6TDI owners on this and other forums. You have got a car and you are delighted with how it is performing, and that's great. Obviously your positive experience will influence how you see any comments about the car's fuel consumption and DPF "issue". As you have already said you get great fuel consumption and never had any DPF problems.
If you however look at other 1.6TDI owners on here, there are 2 owner groups. One group with great fuel consumption and little/no DPF issues, and the other group with mediocre fuel economy and/or significant DPF woes. Seems to me that the folk that are having the most DPF problems are the ones that use their cars predominately in the urban areas. As far as fuel consumption goes it seems very "hit and miss". As others have said on here, it's almost as if it's a lottery and you either get a good engine or an average one.
I'm not trying to provoke an argument, but people can interpret what they read on here without actually owning the car. Yes I do realise that it isn't exactly a scientific survey, but I do think that some broad conclusions can be drawn from the data... And from what I have said, I don't think I was taking a swipe at your car or any other 1.6TDI out there. I was trying to give a balanced opinion of the car. I at no point said the car was a pile of poo, it's a perfectly OK car, but it has the potential to have some issues. The OP surely asked for views on the 1.6TDI so I gave what I thought was a balanced reply. What if the OP went out and bought a 1.6TDI and then had poor MPG and a dodgy DPF based on only your reply? The way I see it is that the OP is at least entitled to a reply from people on here and then he'll make up his mind taking into account the responses...
No worries, mate. And hey you provoked quite a discussion on what is probably your first post... Respect!!!!! LOL
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Dave, I was not trying to stifle the debate or deny anyone the oportunity to express a view. But there have been many threads on this topic and they always take the same path, one or two comments from owners and many many more from people who have read horror stories about this engine.
I am simply trying to get a true reflection of the 1.6 CR, from people who drive them. Yes, my experience has been a good one but Harper has had a less positive experience with his car and I think that is the sort of feedback that is of more use to the OP to help him with his choice.
Sorry if I have offended anyone, that was never my intention
I am simply trying to get a true reflection of the 1.6 CR, from people who drive them. Yes, my experience has been a good one but Harper has had a less positive experience with his car and I think that is the sort of feedback that is of more use to the OP to help him with his choice.
Sorry if I have offended anyone, that was never my intention
No offence taken on my behalf, mate, and I hope the feeling is mutual I enjoy a good debate!!!! lol
I enjoy a good debate!!!! lol
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This is true, if you had a short list of cars, and joined the most popular forum for each model, you'd end up with the opinion that they're all rubbish
Yes I fully accept this, forums are skewed towards the negative side by the reason as to why members post - mainly to seek advice or rant about their car! lol People rarely come on to talk about how perfect their car is. I am sure there are a lot of proud 1.6TDI owners like Mark and Biker outside the forum that are totally happy with their car, and I hope that continues to be the case... There will however also be a few owners that are in the same boat as the unhappy owners that post on here.
Equally I am sure there are a few folk out there raging about their FR TDI and they don't make it to a forum! lol
However in the end forums do still give you ability to make broad generalisations as to what issues MAY crop up on your car. And it is true to say that some models and engines are more prone to issues than others.
As long as people keep in mind that these are issues that might surface in their car (or prospective car) and make an informed choice considering this, then the forum will have served its purpose.
I am sure there are a lot of proud 1.6TDI owners like Mark and Biker outside the forum that are totally happy with their car, and I hope that continues to be the case... There will however also be a few owners that are in the same boat as the unhappy owners that post on here. Equally I am sure there are a few folk out there raging about their FR TDI and they don't make it to a forum! lol
However in the end forums do still give you ability to make broad generalisations as to what issues MAY crop up on your car. And it is true to say that some models and engines are more prone to issues than others.
As long as people keep in mind that these are issues that might surface in their car (or prospective car) and make an informed choice considering this, then the forum will have served its purpose.
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i used to own a 1.6tdci fiesta and it was a better car to live with but as for the drive build quality and extras avalible the ibiza is better
the best thing about the fiesta was alot better mpg and i just didnt seem to have to worry about it it just went now with the ibiza nothing really gone wrong but i fear something will.
the best thing about the fiesta was alot better mpg and i just didnt seem to have to worry about it it just went now with the ibiza nothing really gone wrong but i fear something will.
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