E-05 Rolling Road Figures, and Graph

[BenS1]

Originally posted by ibizacupra
LOL
Except ones finished and done many thrashed demo miles and ones waiting mapping....

Maybe so, but from the consumer point of view they are both the same, vapourware... ie. you can't buy them!

Tell you what, I've just created a 2000bhp kit for the Ibiza and it'll only cost £50. I'll be taking bookings once the downpipes are in and once I've finished the map for it!

Sorry.

To be fair the Revo stuff is new and so can't complain about the kit taking ages to come out.

Anyone got an ETA for the Revo E05 kit?

Cheers
Ben

 

[m0rk]

i think they're waiting for mitch to get back into the country to map it.

want it more now. must hate kev.

 

[Madmile]

Originally posted by m0rk
it's not mapped still, so no idea on price.

M

I reckon its mapped but no to the levels of boost it could run with a good fmic or chargecooler, same as the situation as my car really. I run 18psi at the moment, 21-22psi should be no problem with good cooling, 260-270bhp is there i am sure. How could you use a 4 bar fpr non standard injectors, e05 turbo, and use a k03 mapped car as your demo car, did you give some right foot Mark. They would not let you do that if the fueling via the map had been sorted, and all the time they have been running E-05 they have never got round to sorting the map out. I dont think you will see revo's car on the dyno until the cooling is sorted then very good results will be seen. Top boys the lads at Revo, they aint daft, we will see there results when they look impressive ie when the cooling allows more boost to be run.

 

[Wilko]

Madmile.
The Ibeza is running fairly standard k03 boost settings, but had some mapping done on fueling, but it's no where near finished. It's had about 1/2 hour spent on it so far I was told. Answering the phone and flogging software takes a priority I would think.

My glof is running ko3 4bar software with injectors that are 50% bigger aprox than standard. When I fitted the injectors, the car would run ok for a couple of days and then go into limp (no boost), and throw up a code. I changed the fpr back to a 3 bar, and still ocasionaly get this code.
The car is running far too rich, but it drives just fine. The ECU runs the fueling of lambda when its in closed loop, so fueling is fine, but when you go into open loop (boot down) it works of the maf/fueling tables. The fueling table values are adjusted by a multiplier (long term fuel trim) and so is not that far off if you don't go too big on the injectors.

Loads of guys in the us use k03 software, but increase the maf size and injectors by the same amount.

My cars hit the limit of adjustment on the fuel trim, which is why i sometimes get a code.

The cars drinking fuel, and has averaged 22mpg aver the last 2000 miles. It averaged 27mpg over the previous 36K.

Should all be sorted next week with luck, but Mitch has been in the US working on mapping for this and other turbos for a few months.

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by BenS1
Maybe so, but from the consumer point of view they are both the same, vapourware... ie. you can't buy them!

Tell you what, I've just created a 2000bhp kit for the Ibiza and it'll only cost £50. I'll be taking bookings once the downpipes are in and once I've finished the map for it!

Sorry.

To be fair the Revo stuff is new and so can't complain about the kit taking ages to come out.

Anyone got an ETA for the Revo E05 kit?

Cheers
Ben

Not exactly vapourware is it.... well overdue... for sure!
Nothing else out there to compare against....
E05 is flavour of the moment... and will suit many peeps by being bolt on (with other mods being req'd)

One stop shop for any of them at the moment tho? Erm Nope.

REVO stuff is software NOT hardware.... unless they're changing their tune.

Other people have chosen to not wait, gone for other tuners offering and then regreted it... (not talking E05 here btw...)

Bill

 

[Madmile]

I was offered a Atp gt28r kit stage 2 for £1500, but was not intrested, i went for e05 as i wanted to make progress now. I am happy with my choice as it looks like with cooling, sports cat and dp, bigger injectors can be added and more boost= more power 260bhp+ i would think.

 

[BenS1]

Originally posted by BenS1
Maybe so, but from the consumer point of view they are both the same, vapourware... ie. you can't buy them!

Tell you what, I've just created a 2000bhp kit for the Ibiza and it'll only cost £50. I'll be taking bookings once the downpipes are in and once I've finished the map for it!

Sorry.

To be fair the Revo stuff is new and so can't complain about the kit taking ages to come out.

Anyone got an ETA for the Revo E05 kit?

Cheers
Ben

Do you think I was having a bad day yesterday.

Ben

 

[Madmile]

Chargecooler is available from Pace £868 all inclusive inc fitting the lot!!. I was told 4hrs to fit. All the info was from Pace direct.

 

[CustardCupra]

Originally posted by Madmile
Chargecooler is available from Pace £868 all inclusive inc fitting the lot!!. I was told 4hrs to fit. All the info was from Pace direct.

Will be booking mine in ASAP if its Available now .
Was that for the old 2 core design or the new 4 core ??????

 

[Madmile]

I was told new 4 core one.

 

[CustardCupra]

Originally posted by Madmile
I was told new 4 core one. [/QUOTE

Is it available now and how much notice do they require ???

 

[Madmile]

It is available right now, just phone them and book it in, they have it on the shelf.

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by Madmile
It is available right now, just phone them and book it in, they have it on the shelf.

Thats good news... apart from the fact its like £400 cheaper than wot I ended up paying... DOH!

 

[SPS]

and i paid almost £400 pound less than £860? although my car was a test car

 

[BenS1]

But £400 MORE than the price they list on their own website!

Do we know if its definately exactly the same as Jabba willuse with the IHI? I don't want to buy and fit it only to find that there are differences with the IHI version due to space, pipework etc.

Cheers
Ben

 

[Glenn]

Originally posted by Madmile
Current boost is 18psi (1.22bar) spike, stock intercooler, and injectors and stock cat and dp.

Milltek will be on very soon, cooling is a problem due to space and lack of viable options which are proven. Aint sure how much more bhp is available from the e05 once Milltek, cooling, is sorted or/if bigger injectors would be required at this point. I think the milltek will ntake me to the 240-245bhp mark, not sure what i will gain say from a chargecooler.

I think once cooling is sorted and sports cat and dp is on boost can be raised to 21psi, but i have no idea how much more bhp and torque it would make.

Ok, I've done a bit of maths on this :

Assumptions :

1.8T flows 170CFM @ 6000RPM

22psi peak boost = 14psi @ peak power - extrapolated from RR plot where it seems you get ~10psi with 18psi peak.

Ambient Temp = 15 Degs C.

Negligible Pressure drop across IC/CC/inlet tract.

Compressor Efficiency of 70%

So, with no IC at all you'd get 100.69 Degs C intake temp giving ~212bhp.

With a 60% efficient IC/CC you'd get intake temp of 50 Degs C giving ~245 bhp.

With a 70% efficient IC/CC you'd get intake temp of 40.5 Degs C giving ~252bhp.

So your questions for Pace are :
1. What is the P-drop across the CC with a flow rate of ~300CFM?
2. What is the efficiency of the CC or T-out for a given T-in at a given ambient?

IMO, ~£850 is strong money but if you can't make your own...

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by BenS1
But £400 MORE than the price they list on their own website!

Do we know if its definately exactly the same as Jabba willuse with the IHI? I don't want to buy and fit it only to find that there are differences with the IHI version due to space, pipework etc.

Cheers
Ben

Pending SPS getting his IHI done I guess... #1 test car in the queue.

My educated guess is it will be fine. Larger pre-rad would'nt go amiss. (told PACE this already) - ignored me

I know nothing

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by Glenn
So your questions for Pace are :
1. What is the P-drop across the CC with a flow rate of ~300CFM?
2. What is the efficiency of the CC or T-out for a given T-in at a given ambient?

IMO, ~£850 is strong money but if you can't make your own...

Running twin cores on mine. Bigger than the ones used on the 4, but the 4 core is longer than my 2 core..
Pre-rad looks the same size on both mine and Pace's current one. (its made by pace after all)

Not sure on temp in, but on week last sundays Stealth RR, induction temps were 18'C on 21psi boost after a few runs. It did climb up to 35'C on the final full boost run.
(ICE used in header tank for RR dyno - heatsoak on a RR will happen, its just a question of how long it takes to heatsoak. - Pre-rad does need larger surface area IMHO)

 

[Madmile]

What will produce the most heat E05 running 21-22psi dropping to 14psi, or IHI stage 3 or will they be roughly the same. What i mean is will a 4 core cc cope with the heat E05 produces.

 

[BenS1]

Heat rises with pressure and so IMO the E05 will get quite a lot hotter than the IHI.

Pending SPS getting his IHI done I guess... #1 test car in the queue.

My educated guess is it will be fine. Larger pre-rad would'nt go amiss. (told PACE this already) - ignored me

I know nothing

I'm definately going to be asking for a larger pre-rad.

Cheers
Ben