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I dont know how you guys beat evos, m3 and boxters altho i have a leon and i understand its bigger and a little slower than your ibizas there aint all that bigger difference and i tried it with a EVO not sure wich one it was on a motorway i was doing around 80ish and he pulled away from me altho he didnt lose me there was no way i was getting closer to him.
Maybe my mapped 1.8 20 VT is different cuz i dont beat boxters, evos & M3's!!
What spec you guys have to be able keep up with 320BHP Evos?? cuz as mentioned my mapped 202bhp leon dont stand a chance!
I mean guys a 320BHP rally monster Vs a 250 BHP (tops!) hot hatch??
got this figures of parkers.co.uk:
EVO FQ 320:
0-60 mph: 4.7 s
Power Output: 325 bhp
Top Speed: 157 mph
I bet there is less than a handfull IF actually anybody on this forum that has a sub 5 sec 0 to 60 or a top speed of over 155mph!
im sure you understand why i have my doubts...!
Maybe my mapped 1.8 20 VT is different cuz i dont beat boxters, evos & M3's!!
What spec you guys have to be able keep up with 320BHP Evos?? cuz as mentioned my mapped 202bhp leon dont stand a chance!
I mean guys a 320BHP rally monster Vs a 250 BHP (tops!) hot hatch??
got this figures of parkers.co.uk:
EVO FQ 320:
0-60 mph: 4.7 s
Power Output: 325 bhp
Top Speed: 157 mph
I bet there is less than a handfull IF actually anybody on this forum that has a sub 5 sec 0 to 60 or a top speed of over 155mph!
im sure you understand why i have my doubts...!
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LEON_FR said:
Of the line, pretty much all of us wouldn't stand a chance, on the move we have more of a chance, I have never played with any EVO's before, but have with WRX/STi new age Impreza's and 'on the move' can easily beat WRX's and standard STi's and can just about keep with a STi PPP (mate wasn't happy
).Maybe you need more power
I crave more power mate but Mr natwest dont agree!
What mods you guys got i was thinking exhaust and cat next?
what would you do? dont say sell it and buy a LCR!!!
What mods you guys got i was thinking exhaust and cat next?
what would you do? dont say sell it and buy a LCR!!!
LEON_FR said:
Aye, damn the banks... money should be free
Without spending a fair bit of money, I'm not sure if theres much you can do, an exhaust system doesn't really free up much power on its own tbh, so if its power you want, just an exhaust would be a bit of a waste.
You told me not to say what I reckon you should do....
An Evo, scooby or similar 4WD car has MASSIVE transmisison losses.
THey may be 320 bhp but they probably lose 60 - 70bhp easy through the transmisison. Then you have to remember an Evo or Scooby will weigh quite a bit more than a spanish shed hatchback.
So with the weight advantage and the massive transmisison losses from 4WD, the little spanish shed can give them a run for their money
THey may be 320 bhp but they probably lose 60 - 70bhp easy through the transmisison. Then you have to remember an Evo or Scooby will weigh quite a bit more than a spanish shed hatchback.
So with the weight advantage and the massive transmisison losses from 4WD, the little spanish shed can give them a run for their money
LEON_FR said:
The bhp figures are all well and good but simply because it's a 4 wheel drive car they lose a huge amount by the time it comes to putting the power down on the road, so 320bhp is probably nearer 230bhp (guessing figures) at the wheels, they do lose a stupid amount, but as said before off the line you won't have any hope because they put the power down far better than a fwd car, when your rolling though there really shouldn't be a lot in it.
A bit of food for thought for the haters
Evo 8 @ 320bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 219.69
Ibiza Cupra @ 230 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 208.84
Ibiza Cupra @ 240 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 217.92
Ibiza Cupra @ 250 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 227.00
Evo 8 @ 320bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 219.69
Ibiza Cupra @ 230 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 208.84
Ibiza Cupra @ 240 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 217.92
Ibiza Cupra @ 250 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 227.00
Martyn said:A bit of food for thought for the haters
Evo 8 @ 320bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 219.69
Ibiza Cupra @ 230 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 208.84
Ibiza Cupra @ 240 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 217.92
Ibiza Cupra @ 250 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 227.00
Don't show that to EVO owners.... they will
power to weight, think my car would be a good 300kgs less than the car's spoken about here. It used to weigh 1070kgs should be around 1030 now.
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Martyn said:A bit of food for thought for the haters
Evo 8 @ 320bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 219.69
Ibiza Cupra @ 230 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 208.84
Ibiza Cupra @ 240 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 217.92
Ibiza Cupra @ 250 bhp - Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 227.00
Dont forget the Evo will be getting less power on the tarmac as well because of 4WD losses to that will shift the power/weight even more so in the spanish sheds favour
People are so blind to the facts. They are blinded by AWD quick 0-60 times. Try finding out about 60-100 times. None of the above mention a 0-60 drag.
Try reading the thread first.
If that power to weight ratio was done using ATW figures, which is where it counts anyway, it would favour the cupra even more.
Try reading the thread first.
If that power to weight ratio was done using ATW figures, which is where it counts anyway, it would favour the cupra even more.
Barry when you hot you denso plugs, were they engine code specific or did you just choose the ik22?
Neil
Neil
arguing over whos car is faster in a straight line......ohhh my how:gay:
lets face it u spend alot of money to get the ibiza at 230/240/250bhp
ok not as much as the extra it would cost for an FQ320 but u could spend just as much on the evo and make that faster again
swings and roundabouts...
the evo as standard would eat the 250bhp ibiza on a circuit
transmission losses are big pop on a set of rollers and so ppl can go down the pub and have a good laugh but out on the road with the option to change gear transmission losses mean diddly. power to weight is much more important
and so u could just as easily strip out an evo as u could the ibiza, infact u could prob lose alot more weight in the evo
lets face it u spend alot of money to get the ibiza at 230/240/250bhp
ok not as much as the extra it would cost for an FQ320 but u could spend just as much on the evo and make that faster again
swings and roundabouts...
the evo as standard would eat the 250bhp ibiza on a circuit
transmission losses are big pop on a set of rollers and so ppl can go down the pub and have a good laugh but out on the road with the option to change gear transmission losses mean diddly. power to weight is much more important
and so u could just as easily strip out an evo as u could the ibiza, infact u could prob lose alot more weight in the evo
turbo back exhaust - £700
overly expensive air filter - £150
k03s turbo - £250
remap - £500
front mounted intercooler - £700
3 replacement mafs - £200
some decent suspension so u dont roll over - £500
the look on the evo drivers face when u match his high performance rally car - priceless
but was it all worth it?
overly expensive air filter - £150
k03s turbo - £250
remap - £500
front mounted intercooler - £700
3 replacement mafs - £200
some decent suspension so u dont roll over - £500
the look on the evo drivers face when u match his high performance rally car - priceless
but was it all worth it?
What do ya mean transmission losses mean nothing with the option to change gear?
Power to weight figures are important obviously. But like I said, use power (wheels) to weight. Not fly figures as everyone usually quotes, It will be even more favourable to the Ibiza.
EVO 320 wheel fig. - 240?
Ibiza - 210?
Power gap has closed even more with the weight still in the bizas favour...
Power to weight figures are important obviously. But like I said, use power (wheels) to weight. Not fly figures as everyone usually quotes, It will be even more favourable to the Ibiza.
EVO 320 wheel fig. - 240?
Ibiza - 210?
Power gap has closed even more with the weight still in the bizas favour...
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