420bhp hybrid k04

[Deleted member 53697]

This car was owned by Blade on this forum who I think is from Middlesborough. He recently sold the car to another guy on this forum who just happens to live 30mins from me in Loughborough so yeh, I am quite lucky to see it in person.
Pardon me, GT2871R is correct, not GT28RS. My mistake, just a typo though...

I've seen and experienced american forum culture first hand from VW Vortex, its just a bunch of people either badmouthing everything or making ridiculous claims in order to get a bit of attention, which is basically what your doing now.

It is WIDELY regarded and accepted that a Stage 2+ will make 360bhp. Blades car is clearly an exception. Perhaps its a genuine 26bhp more than say Pov's old K1, perhaps its just a dodgey dyno...
If you were to ask Revo if 400bhp is possible with the stock turbo, THEY WILL LAUGH IN YOUR FACE.

I'm bailing out of this thread to prevent it getting locked. Respond if you like but i'm not gonna be drawn out by some upshot little yank with less than 50 posts.

Ta

 

[GolfRS]

So you come on here with these big bold hp claims and how no one knows anything but one thing you have overlooked is YOU have said nothing but complete rubbish since the moment you started typing away!

So please enlighten us all on your engine and how to get an "easy" and with "a few tweaks" this 420hp or just stop boring us with your pafetic riddles!

You really like getting freebies huh ?

Why not ask..."Chap" ? Or even better "Pat15312" ?They seem to know what
this engine can or can't do...

I'm tired of listening to people that think an stubby aerial is a "mod", and from looking at Pat15312's "build" thread, he is one of them.

I'm not here to "enlighten" anyone.I said you can make more than 400 bhp on a K04, and i mean it.What i didn't say is that you can do it with "a few tweaks".It takes more money that you would spend to slap a BT, but you also get a totally different engine.But as i said it's more a matter of cost since if you are actually going to open up your engine to do rods and pistons for a BT (if not, you don't know what you are doing anyways), you might as well do what i've done, and have a safer engine altogether.

 

[Fl@pper]

You lot are going to get this thread locked....

noted already so keep it civil and grown up please

 

[Al]

I said you can make more than 400 bhp on a K04, and i mean it.What i didn't say is that you can do it with "a few tweaks".

Why not start a thread about how to do this dude to keep this hybrid turbo thread about hybrid turbos? It would save this one getting binned and would be useful for us all

Regarding Blades car, I have to agree with you and say that I don't buy the freak car/engine thing.

The end power/torque result may well equal the sum of the parts more in certain combinations than others, but that car had nothing over some of the others in here parts wise or software wise. It ran a decat Milltek, Forge Twintake, Forge Twintercooler, uprated Autotech fuel pump, RS4 valve and Revo Stage 2+. Its not really possible to say that because it made a certain figure on a certain dyno on a certain day that it is going to be so much more powerful than all the rest with the same or similar configurations.

Points in case being ZBoyds car which has the best of everything running the same code, Singh123's car, RobH's car, my old car, Igor23's car, Hurdy's old car - all running K04 turbochargers with Revo Stage 2+ and a variation of parts and most of them measured on different rolling roads in different places on different days. All of these cars made over 330bhp at the wheels as memory serves though.

 

[GolfRS]

This car was owned by Blade on this forum who I think is from Middlesborough. He recently sold the car to another guy on this forum who just happens to live 30mins from me in Loughborough so yeh, I am quite lucky to see it in person.
Pardon me, GT2871R is correct, not GT28RS. My mistake, just a typo though...

I've seen and experienced american forum culture first hand from VW Vortex, its just a bunch of people either badmouthing everything or making ridiculous claims in order to get a bit of attention, which is basically what your doing now.

It is WIDELY regarded and accepted that a Stage 2+ will make 360bhp. Blades car is clearly an exception. Perhaps its a genuine 26bhp more than say Pov's old K1, perhaps its just a dodgey dyno...
If you were to ask Revo if 400bhp is possible with the stock turbo, THEY WILL LAUGH IN YOUR FACE.

I'm bailing out of this thread to prevent it getting locked. Respond if you like but i'm not gonna be drawn out by some upshot little yank with less than 50 posts.

Ta

So just listen to yourself...You are willing to accept a car can make 26 bhp more than the rest without any additional work to support it, and yet you can't bring yourself to believe that another car with so much work put into it, CAN'T MAKE 14 bhp more ??

Also, i wouldn't take "widely accepted" as a standard.What you are referring to are cars that have an intake and an exhaust..That's all.I was also at that 360 bhp at some point in the car's development, and i also though 400 is not an achievable goal.But as things progress, things are looking a lot different.You should consider the fact that there is a "gap" between stages in this engine, and that is between a stage 2+ K04 and the BT.That is where this engine is right now.Just because no one found it "worth the money doing it" doesn't mean the gains aren't there...

Still i believe that with "minor" work to the turbo a 420+ bhp is possible.

We shall soon see.

 

[Poverty]

Golfrs is right but his earlier comments of 400hp being easily achievable is misleading. Yes it's easily done, but hardly anyone would want to spend that much money on that sort of work to make a few more hp when they could just BT for similiar costs and get another 40hp ontop.

 

[GolfRS]

Golfrs is right but his earlier comments of 400hp being easily achievable is misleading. Yes it's easily done, but hardly anyone would want to spend that much money on that sort of work to make a few more hp when they could just BT for similiar costs and get another 40hp ontop.

That might be right, but still you don't get the reliability by just slapping on a BT, and to be honest i'd rather push my K04 every day and enjoy every bit of it, than have 500 bhp and pray each time i step on the pedal, hoping VW has done a good job in my car and my rods won't fail me.

Also, if we consider aftermarket rods on both setups, i would prefer to have
head work done when the engine is open, and STILL have the option to go BT
in the future, rather than have second thoughts later on when i won't have that chance.

And once again...seriously..does someone believe 450-480 crank is drivable on a FWD vehicle ?

 

[Wilko]

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And once again...seriously..does someone believe 450-480 crank is drivable on a FWD vehicle ?

I do! and it is, well as use able as any 450+ car.

450+ crank in any car is a challenge. Turn the stability controls in a 997 twin off and drive it like you stole it and see how far you get.


The pedal on the right has more than 2 positions.

 

[warren_cox]

I think there comes a point where you have to assess the merits of running these kind of horsepowers in a car which ultimately (no matter how you look at it), shares much of the DNA of the Mark 5 Golf GTi, which pushes out 200PS (whether it be Cupra / Ed 30 / S3).

Yes VAG have done a few suspension tweaks here, some basic strengthening of internals there, and a veneer of polish on the surface to make it all look like money well spent, but ultimately these cars start out life on a £15k(ish) base platform, so to try and give them:

1) RELIABLE
2) SUSTAINABLE
3) LONG TERM & CONSISTENT

performance in the range of 360-440bhp is a tough ask of all the components.

Look at how the:
> valves coke up
> the cam followers / fuel pump seals wear
> the DMF's fail / struggle to cope with torque
> OEM clutches wear out very quickly
> the rear engine mounts give (cracking downpipes??)
> the coil pack performance diminishes erratically over time
> spark plug replacement intervals are down to 10-15k at Stg2+ (and look glazed)
> MAF's fail
> under bonnet temps and intake temps seem pretty high
> scale of ignition timing adjustment

TBH, I think these cars cope fairly well based on what is asked of them beyond S2, and one thing I notice particularly in the cold weather is how much better the car pulls / drives (when the clutch isn't slipping!!!). Come summer it feels docile with the increased air intake temps, and whilst this is not unexpected I think it proves what strain these cars are under with the heat they generate from high boost levels.

Part of me wonders whether as the technologies of these engines evolve, whether you can successfully bolt 'sledgehammer' mods onto them and not expect the ECU's to constantly be compensating in response to running parameters which sit outside of the expected table values.

Also we mix and match so many mods which aren't always tested together it surprises me again we don't see more issues of incompatibility.

I'm almost of the mindset to go and buy an OEM car with 350bhp(ish), just remap it and be done with it. Whilst it will never set the world on fire, I won't be emptying catch cans every 2 minutes and waking up in hot sweats wondering whether I've got petrol percolating into the cars oil supply!

 

[Poverty]

So rs3 on the cars for you then warren. As quick as a gtr with a remap and all without the stupid gtr running costs and rubbish fuel consumption.

 

[warren_cox]

So rs3 on the cars for you then warren. As quick as a gtr with a remap and all without the stupid gtr running costs and rubbish fuel consumption.

Being considered in Daytona Grey with buckets, Bose, winter pack, alu inserts and interior light pack. Only issue is it is a sportback, and DSG isn't really my cup of tea.

If it drives well I may be able to overlook it's child-friendly convenience, but to be honest I don't miss the rear doors I had on my LCR, and it's just 2 more doors for passengers to slam!

Would love a TT-RS, but off my price radar.

 

[Ben CTR]

So rs3 on the cars for you then warren. As quick as a gtr with a remap and all without the stupid gtr running costs and rubbish fuel consumption.

@ around 1600kgs, I doubt that Jas..

 

[GolfRS]

I do! and it is, well as use able as any 450+ car.

450+ crank in any car is a challenge. Turn the stability controls in a 997 twin off and drive it like you stole it and see how far you get.

Driving a 450+ car with stability and traction control is like driving a 200 car without.So what is the use of all that HP if the ECU just lets you use half ?

The pedal on the right has more than 2 positions.

Well there is only one position when you are stepping on the gas (lets say to overtake.... )

And again, pressing the pedal half way is not much different than having 200 bhp and pressing it all the way down.

Both methods you suggested simply "throw away" 200 bhp to make the car drivable.So what's the use ?

 

[RobH]

So we are getting somewhere...

What kind of bolt on did that car have ?

You will see how "easily" you can get above 400....

Well no not hybrid.

Revo already makes ~400 bhp on the K04...

Just a few more tweaks...and you are there...

You came on making it sound easy that you can make 400-420hp, which is obviously gonna get people interested.

The reality is your talking about a full engine build effectively everything before going BT.

Why didnt you just say that 4 pages ago

So back on topic, does a hybrid make 420hp singh123

 

[Poverty]

@ around 1600kgs, I doubt that Jas..

Is the RS3 that heavy, I thought it would be 1550kg max

I know that according to vbox data a mapped TTRS beats the GTR at certain speeds, and can match the GTR out on the road, but the double clutch of the GTR puts it ahead each gear change.

S tronic TTRS with a map will be GTR quick.

 

[robdf2]

guys chill , veryone will make power claims to some degree a lot of tuners do it as well , but usually when an independant test is done the real figures are revealed.

Alot has to do with the good old dyno lottery , i know people spend a lot of time and money getting their cars to be the fastest and quickest car out there , but in real world its how they drive on the open road , unless of course you have built a track oriented car.

I say well donr to everyone who has pushed the envelope of their car to stage 2+ figures and have a reliable car , if someone claims to have pushed it further then good luck to them as well but i would always be paranoid of lights coming on or seeing bits of my engine coming out of my exhaust pipe

There will always be people who go a different route to standard and claim more power , again i say well done but we all know at the end of the day the more you tne the weaker the engine will become , i would rather have 330 reliable horses than 420 unreliable ones that will rip my con rods off and take a dump out of my exhaust !.

 

[EL]

S tronic TTRS with a map will be GTR quick.

Although not the R35 but a R33.............if you fancy having a little play with my mates car he is always up for it Team GTR - 790WHP GTR

 

[vRSy]

i would rather have 330 reliable horses than 420 unreliable ones that will rip my con rods off and take a dump out of my exhaust !.

in all fairness to golfRS, he has uprated his engine internals and cams so id say his will be a much stronger engine as a result.

Still dont think its worth it though. its still Fwd at the end of the day.

@ GolfRS how about a full list of your spec??

 

[GolfRS]

in all fairness to golfRS, he has uprated his engine internals and cams so id say his will be a much stronger engine as a result.

Still dont think its worth it though. its still Fwd at the end of the day.

@ GolfRS how about a full list of your spec??

Well its got almost everything on.

Some of the stuff is pretty standard....

Autotech pump,RS4 valve,port and polished head, full Ferrea valvetrain (rated to 8500 rpm),Ferrea valves, S3 cams,ARP head bolts, Brute conrods (rated to 800 bhp), ARP rod bolts.....as i said...pretty standard...for an engine ready to make 600 bhp...

 

[nibbles]

Well I,m the guy that bought blades car with dyno runs of 386 and to be honest the way the roads are at the moment all wasted as I can not get the power down,,,,,,but god its quick