420bhp hybrid k04

[GolfRS]

For me personally, the cost to do hybrid/big turbo is more than the gains offer, and I would argue the same for head work and other mods. At the end of the day, the Leon/Golf achilles heel is getting the power down. Sure, after 80mph you are going places, but wheelspin in 1st, 2nd and sometimes 3rd gear does no favours to power delivery, performance or drivetrain components.

This is one of the reasons I will be refraining from screwing with my new car.

Well that may be right, but if you have the tuning disease..you can't stop.

The traction IS indeed an issue, but if you worry about a hybrid, then what
is a BT owner supposed to say ?

That is exactly the reason i went on improving the engine instead of slapping a bigger turbo on.Yes you don't get TONS of power, but you reliability goes up tenfold, and if you are planning on keeping the car,
it's the best investment!!

It's like the car should have been from the factory if it had 400 bhp stock...

Simple as that.

 

[WeeG]

Well that may be right, but if you have the tuning disease..you can't stop.

The traction IS indeed an issue, but if you worry about a hybrid, then what
is a BT owner supposed to say ?

That is exactly the reason i went on improving the engine instead of slapping a bigger turbo on.Yes you don't get TONS of power, but you reliability goes up tenfold, and if you are planning on keeping the car,
it's the best investment!!

It's like the car should have been from the factory if it had 400 bhp stock...

Simple as that.

400 bhp front wheel drive leon.......... factory standard................

 

[GolfRS]

400 bhp front wheel drive leon.......... factory standard................

Let's say its a .... "freak"...

 

[Al]

Well that may be right, but if you have the tuning disease..you can't stop.

The traction IS indeed an issue, but if you worry about a hybrid, then what
is a BT owner supposed to say ?

That is exactly the reason i went on improving the engine instead of slapping a bigger turbo on.Yes you don't get TONS of power, but you reliability goes up tenfold, and if you are planning on keeping the car,
it's the best investment!!

It's like the car should have been from the factory if it had 400 bhp stock...

Simple as that.

Well you hit on something there that highlights my point.

DanGB on here has a GT2871 car with over 400bhp (genuine 400bhp), and from 50-115bananas, my car was fully ahead of his when they ran together. In fact, it was way past that I was being reeled in after my head start gained due to having less lag/wheelspin. Both cars were fully fitted with handling mods and LSD's.

I would estimate that you would need to be way clear of 100mph and pulling to see a noticeable difference between a K04 car and a BT car. Until we start seeing real people in hybrid cars and the results from them, all the hybrid turbo talk is heresay.

In my experience, I tend not to spend much time above at speeds where you would notice a Hybrid K04 over a K04 due to lack of legal places to do it, and the legal places that exist would not get you much past 100mph very often (straights at Knockhill)

 

[vRSy]

Not race gas, just pump.

As for the dyno, there are dyno's all over the world.

Some measure high, some measure low.

The TTRS suggestion is a good one.I think i'll try that.

BTW if you look at the vortex there are a few K04 cars that manage mid 12 sec in the 1/4 mile, right next to BT 3071R kits....That should be saying something.

here are the UK 1/4 times. Note that the the k04 cars here are all below 360Hp @ the flywheel.

1 ). *12.601 @ 115.85 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JonnyC
2 ). *12.701 @ 114.58 - MAN - GT3071R - REVO S3 - * ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - Andy Oram
3 ). *12.733 @ 107.70 - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - David_Phillips95
4 ). *12.790 @ 111.67 - DSG - OEM K04 - JABBASPORT CUSTOM - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JABBALAD
5 ). *12.904 @ 110.90 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - Hurdy
6 ). *12.911 @ 119.21 - DSG - GT3076R - REVO S4 *- *TRACK TYRE - MK5 ED30 - JonnyC
7 ). *12.920 @ 112.80 - MAN - OEM K04 - GIAC EXTREME PLUS - ROAD TYRE - LEON CUPRA - Owen
8 ). *12.950 @ 115.10 - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - LEON CUPRA - Djhorace
9 ). *12.989 @ 113.24 - DSG - OEM K04 *- REVO S3 - * TRACK TYRE - AUDI TT - Revo TT


10). 13.040 @ 112.20 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - GTIjames
11). 13.165 @ ???.??? - MAN - GT2871R - GIAC RSR - TRACK TYRE - MK5 GTI - Regal Autosport
12). 13.177 @ 109.15 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2 - * *ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - VtecAbuser
13). 13.284 @ ???.??? - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S1 - * ROAD TYRE - AUDI S3 - T88OMM
14). 13.401 @ 110.62 - DSG - OEM K04 - REVO S2 *- ROAD TYRE - MK5 ED30 - NB07
15). 13.402 @ ???.??? - MAN - OEM K04 - REVO S2+ - ROAD TYRE - CUPRA K1 - Revo K1

Also you mention you change the compression ratio. now correct me if im wrong that is pretty far from bolt on territory, and iirc requires new pistons etc, so its not really comparable to a standard block anymore. You should be able to advance the timing for more torque though with a lower compression

@ GOLFRS whereabouts are you from?? Reading your posts are just like reading the posts on the US forums

 

[Al]

For what its worth, my car was running with brakes slightly binding that day

 

[vRSy]

For what its worth, my car was running with brakes slightly binding that day

so you would have made about 12.921 then

 

[Al]

Maybe, but I reckon I would have cracked 116mph more like!

Ended up driving the factory standard MK2 Leon Cupra R that day more than I drove my own car, just as the new tyres had a rough skin on them as I only got a half dozen runs in my own car!

We will never know what could have been now though as the car is gone

 

[GolfRS]

Also you mention you change the compression ratio. now correct me if im wrong that is pretty far from bolt on territory, and iirc requires new pistons etc, so its not really comparable to a standard block anymore. You should be able to advance the timing for more torque though with a lower compression

Well that's true but remember the early cars had higher compression from the factory.Mine has 10.5:1 already, so i can't say much about that.VW lowered compression on the newer engines for reliability reasons, and also cause it wasn't a requirement since they stopped using stratified mode.That was also the reason the piston shape was changed.Older cars also have forged factory pistons, the later ones have cast (dunno about the S3/Cupra ones though).

As far as advancing timing and all that mumbo jumbo...U.S. tuners see things a bit differently.You could agree with them...i don't.Maybe its because i am not looking to get a gazillion HP from a 2 liter engine, or maybe cause i've seen otherwise with my car.What you definitely need though is GOOD QUALITY GAS.It all starts from there.K04 cars in Europe make more than their U.S. counterparts (of course no U.S. tuner is gonna accept that), and the reason you see W/M being used so extensively in the U.S. is JUST THAT.Most of the high HP results you see across the pond are either with W/M or race gas.

Lowering compression takes a lot of efficiency out of an engine, and trying to compensate with boost and timing isn't the best solution ESPECIALLY when you are using a smaller turbo that can't cope with that.Yes, if you have a GT35, and you wanna make 600 hp with 91 gas by all means...You don't want the engine exploding on you.But for European conditions, lowering compression is not the best choice (my opinion at least)

@ GOLFRS whereabouts are you from?? Reading your posts are just like reading the posts on the US forums

Well i hope you are saying that cause you like them.

If not...oh well...

 

[Al]

the reason you see W/M being used so extensively in the U.S. is JUST THAT.Most of the high HP results you see across the pond are either with W/M or race gas.

In my experience, W/M was a bit of a washout - literally.

One car I am looking forward to seeing at S2+ is the Golf R20T DSG. All the power and ability to transfer it to the road along with lightning gearchanges. I also believe the forthcoming RS3 will have a DSG option too.

Will also be interesting to see how their clutches and tranny's hold up

 

[RobH]

So are we gonna get any information on how to get an "easy" OR a few more tweaks 400-420hp on a standard K04 then.

Or are you just gonna leave it at Headwork, cams, valvetrain, change compression ratio and fully built engine.

 

[WeeG]

Typical F***ing YANK!!!

 

[RobH]

Typical F***ing YANK!!!

Although if he comes back with a simple explanation on what you need and the best way to do it, i would take that back.

Guess we will see eh

 

[Poverty]

In my experience, W/M was a bit of a washout - literally.

One car I am looking forward to seeing at S2+ is the Golf R20T DSG. All the power and ability to transfer it to the road along with lightning gearchanges. I also believe the forthcoming RS3 will have a DSG option too.

Will also be interesting to see how their clutches and tranny's hold up

s3 comes with dsg already though and RS3 is gonna be dsg only.

stock dsg TTRS did the 1/4mile in 12.2 secs

 

[Al]

Yeah the S3 has DSG option, but the set up on the Golf and S3 is different as memory serves.

 

[Deleted member 53697]

So one page before i was BS, but now i sound interesting huh ??

Funny stuff.

If it makes you feel any better mate, I do think your talking BS...
The most power I can believe a Stage 2+ car has is 386bhp and that is Blades old car (now owned by a chap called Lee, don't know what his username is).
I went to see this in the metal last night at a meet and yeh it probs does have that amount of power. This is the highest horespower Stage 2+ car that is on this forum, and on any forum I have been on...
APR are the only company I know of to make use of the Schrick cams developed for this engine, and they only incorporate that into their heavily built Stage 4 Dubai engine with GT28RS turbo (see Poko's thread).
And again, unless your using custom software then there is also no readily available software to make use of extensive headwork...
400bhp, at this point in time, is not possible without at least doing something to the turbo.

 

[Deleted member 53697]

So are we gonna get any information on how to get an "easy" OR a few more tweaks 400-420hp on a standard K04 then.

Or are you just gonna leave it at Headwork, cams, valvetrain, change compression ratio and fully built engine.

So basically an APR Dubai engine then... So that will be $30k please!
That engine probably would make 400bhp on the standard K04 but why the hell would you bother...?!?!

 

[GolfRS]

If it makes you feel any better mate, I do think your talking BS...
The most power I can believe a Stage 2+ car has is 386bhp and that is Blades old car (now owned by a chap called Lee, don't know what his username is).
I went to see this in the metal last night at a meet and yeh it probs does have that amount of power. This is the highest horespower Stage 2+ car that is on this forum, and on any forum I have been on...
APR are the only company I know of to make use of the Schrick cams developed for this engine, and they only incorporate that into their heavily built Stage 4 Dubai engine with GT28RS turbo (see Poko's thread).
And again, unless your using custom software then there is also no readily available software to make use of extensive headwork...
400bhp, at this point in time, is not possible without at least doing something to the turbo.

Well it would seem you are trying too hard to show you know what you are talking about, but you don't.I love it when there is always some smart ass trying to show off his infinite wisdom and expose the truth.Funny how "the most power you can believe" happens to be right next to your doorstep owned by "Chap"...I guess that makes you a really lucky person huh ?

You have absolutely no clue what has been done to my car, as much as it seems you have no clue that APR is using a GT2871R turbo and not a GT28RS (which is not that larger than a K04 btw).
Also, your price quote on APR's engine work seems to be coming more out of APR's marketing department rather than real life.It seems you need to spend less time reading the BS that comes out every day in the forums by companies trying to make a profit, and more time actually doing something to your car, if you wanna come out and throw horsepower predictions about stuff you don't know.

 

[Al]

You lot are going to get this thread locked....

 

[RobH]

So you come on here with these big bold hp claims and how no one knows anything but one thing you have overlooked is YOU have said nothing but complete rubbish since the moment you started typing away!

So please enlighten us all on your engine and how to get an "easy" and with "a few tweaks" this 420hp or just stop boring us with your pafetic riddles!