Updating the inbuilt Mib2 Satnav / Mib2 tricks and Mib1

[Tell]

MIB2 Std new maps: http://vw-mapscdn.tdd.adacorcdn.com/DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12.7z

Probably good for go since someone posted after that on the Skoda German site it worked well. Still on the road but reckon looking at 1310 file naming convention that would be all Europe. EU... Then EU1... etc are the zoned ones.

Also the contents for the full update run from E1 - E13 as 1310 all of Europe release. The zoned updates mix and match these. They are help in:

\maps\00\nds\PRODUCT

So that's the all Europe release.

 

[Slickric21]

Thanks for the heads up, i'm copying to sdcard as we speak !!!

No problem with size yet for the sdcard, 1430_V12 is 14GB upacked (1310_V11 was 13.5GB).

Update:

Installed SDcard into car, rebooted and all seems well so far. Will be going out for a test drive this evening to confirm.

 

[Slickric21]

Yup all seems good so far after a little drive last night. I’d say it’s safe to do the update

 

[Tell]

Yes installed fine with the workaround and also comes with the Seat 6P part number as well. Can be ticked off as done (1430).

 

[minu94]

So, I read this topic but not page by page, and I stil did not find the answer. Can you update maps for MIB1 without mapcare? If you can, how?

 

[Tell]

So, I read this topic but not page by page, and I stil did not find the answer. Can you update maps for MIB1 without mapcare? If you can, how?

Been asked a lot on this thread in the past. If you haven't got Mapcare you cough up and pay a dealer. During 2016 a few people bough ebay cards and it worked, a lot of others did and it didn't. It was never determined why it worked for a few and not for others.

2017 or so some Slovenian guy or there abouts was promoting a service where he wanted you to send him his unit and he'd do an upgrade. No takers and he vanished. He was asked to document the process but said it was too complex.

I suspect there may well be retrofit mib1 processes available which he was using which would be custom firmware. I was going to ask Vagtec this week but didn't get round to it - enough going on. I don't have a mib1 standard. If it's a mib1 high, the mib2 high is closely related so I suspect there are retrofit software solutions to that.

If you got a complex set up with 360 cameras, traffic sign recognition etc those settings are held in the infotainment unit so any custom firmware has to work with that so a retrofitter reads the vehicles live data in the infotainment unit, manufactures the custom software to match and reloads back on. The custom software packages are variants of the firmware. The order of that reload matters.

The retrofit market is where someone wants to go from mib1 to mib2 mostly. Best to use a retrofit outfit that knows what they are doing than buy an eBay non modded unit - thats where people get in a complete mess since the navigation license is part of the consumer lock to stop the unit being stolen. There is a way to retain the navigation license when the lock is taken off but depends on the VAG skills of the person doing the work. They get the lock removed but find navigation is disabled since the license went with the lock. Retrofits generally circumvent Mapcare so having your unit loaded with the firmware is one solution for mib2 high users stuck with not having Mapcare on their unit. Anyone with mib1 that wants to retain the unit but be able to update the maps themselves needs to follow that up with retrofitter to see that they can do. Such an outfit needs access to ODIS - thats what I was told when I was searching for a company to convert mine into a retrofit mib2 high. May be if it's a simple car set up you can get away without it the guys having access to ODIS / installing a retrofit off the net.

 

[Slickric21]

Yup all seems good so far after a little drive last night. I’d say it’s safe to do the update

Had a longer drive today.
No issues at all, still contains the same quirks as the old maps did.

* Dual carriageway is listed as 60mph.
* Roundabouts - manoeuvre view still split into several parts for eg when taking 3rd exit or more.
* Speed limits not really Upto date. I have roads around me in Norfolk that have had limit changes over 1 year ago and still not updated.

 

[Tell]

That will be TomTom or the process to get it from TomTom cartography into the VAG standard system. You can visit the TomTom site where you can supply edits.

https://www.tomtom.com/uam/UI/Login?realm=/uam&spEntityID=mapsharereporter&service=onetomtom&authLevel=0&goto=/uam/idpssoinit?metaAlias=/uam/idp&spEntityID=mapsharereporter&redirected=true

You can register and add suggestions. Mapsharereporter. They took a lot from me earlier in the year but been a bit asleep since September. The road speeds best to do with a photo with x,y coordinates on. Photos to back everything up or website links so they can check. Local OS planning maps from council websites are the best. They can't argue with them.

Perhaps I should try the simulated route around MK where there are no restrictions on dual carriageway . Hadn't done that yet. The roundabouts yes that doesnt show well as before. I did think lane positioning was looking different thou. X^ sign in the middle and on the dash I hadn't seen before but perhaps that was me. Looked like an improvement. (Me I think).

Will do a recreation of this test in post 1695 for the 1310 release. Apart from the odd roundabout graphics / route graphics the major problem was the 70 mph missing speed limit of motorways in the UK. The trailer speed was corrected in 1310. Trailer speed is fine in 1430 - the issue hasn't been re-introduced.

https://forums.seatcupra.net/index.php?threads/navigation-system-updates.388586/page-85

For any budding people who want to take the test route you put the unit in advanced mode demo, give it a starting point close to the Holiday Inn Express at Tongwell MK15 0DU , then give it a destination up north on the motorway and one to the village of Moulsoe. Mix of 70 mph roads dual A roads, village roads (2nd test) plus the motorway on the first test. The latter it previously failed with no motorway speed shown. The rest was just the misleading graphics that the standard puts up on roundabouts - shows going in but not the complete graphic of the exit as you go in - the plus gets that one right.

 

[Albatroszs]

How do you update mib2 high with mapcare and it didnt come with a sd card its leon 2016

 

[Tell]

Unless you pay extortionate prices for Mapcare if available in your country you find a retrofit outfit that will put custom software on it converting it into a retrofit then you install the maps via the backend SWDL command. Note whilst you can install updated maps via the SWDL command in the developers menu without mapcare it will lock you out within 30 seconds after selecting a destination. Don't bother you then have to upload the series release it came with or any before. It's all nicely locked down from meddling with the upload file.

Only Seat that still supports Mapcare within the VAG group, Skoda and VW have scrapped it making it free and unlimited. Vag own 50% of Here Maps or something like that. It is within the powers of VAG to make it marketed across Seat as free but they haven't yet.

Hmmm did you say with Mapcare. You do the download, preferably with a PC as per 184 above put it on a 32gb SD card with nothing else in it, Fat32 then it will find it via update, if not and it's cleanly put on the card then it doesn't have Mapcare.

See Vag notes on preparation applies whether it's going to be loaded as SWDL. The whole directory structure needs to be presented to the unit whether mib1 or mib2 high. It dives into mib1 directory to get some files as well. People on boards ask do I need to copy these as well... yes you do.

https://webspecial.volkswagen.de/vwinfotainment/dam/jcr:c08aab64-ee73-4082-86a6-0fa82362282a/Discover Pro June_2019_EN.pdf

 

[Albatroszs]

I know i have map care because its in my pr numbers.
I tried to install it the way you said only thing i did different was i did it with micro sd card and sd adapter, but it said check your source or something similar

 

[Tell]

They do say don't use a micro SD card with an adaptor. May be too slow. May be the units fuzzy about how it sees the adaptor. It's running QNX so if the adaptor only works by Windows drivers and it hasn't got them etc.

I think it will run on a 32gb usb. I've read POIs in that way.

The SD cards which I use with it, 32gb. SanDisk Extreme Pro class 10 & Dane Elec Prp200 X. Class 10.

Class 10 being important. Hope that helps.

The PR code has a 3 year life of Mapcare. Let you do the sums from the build date. Sounds more like it. Without Mapcare they don't find an update, so probably reverted to that.

 

[Tell]

Will do a recreation of this test in post 1695 for the 1310 release. Apart from the odd roundabout graphics / route graphics the major problem was the 70 mph missing speed limit of motorways in the UK. The trailer speed was corrected in 1310. Trailer speed is fine in 1430 - the issue hasn't been re-introduced.

https://forums.seatcupra.net/index.php?threads/navigation-system-updates.388586/page-85

For any budding people who want to take the test route you put the unit in advanced mode demo, give it a starting point close to the Holiday Inn Express at Tongwell MK15 0DU , then give it a destination up north on the motorway and one to the village of Moulsoe. Mix of 70 mph roads dual A roads, village roads (2nd test) plus the motorway on the first test. The latter it previously failed with no motorway speed shown. The rest was just the misleading graphics that the standard puts up on roundabouts - shows going in but not the complete graphic of the exit as you go in - the plus gets that one right.

Just did it.

Picking up the dual carriageway speeds correctly at 70 mph, 60 normal roads etc. The motorway speed... as before it assumes you know it's 70 mph. So no change as far as the test I did when it was sorted out in the summer.

1430 is looking as good as 1310.

 

[Tell]

I know i have map care because its in my pr numbers.
I tried to install it the way you said only thing i did different was i did it with micro sd card and sd adapter, but it said check your source or something similar

Ok we can play the Mib2 high Mapcare FEC game of understanding the codes... I think I've got it now after having my unit refreshed. Looking at a Russian link and Obdeleven forum post.

We use the first for which button to press if we don't know how to do it.

http://forum.obdeleven.com/thread/6082/fec-swap-codes-list-mib

1. Hold Menu button until service mode shows.
2. Press "Function enabling codes (FEC, SWaP)"
3. Press "Installed codes"

We are looking for a code begining 073....

Now we need the last two characters.

Yours will be 22 (telepathy)... Thats the period the 184 update won't work against on my reckoning.

We refer to this link:

https://turbo-quattro.com/showthread.php?29417-MIB-MIB2-FEC-edit-Map-Care&styleid=12

See post 18 by Romanash

Audi added +2 (
20 > 2019 map,
22 > 2019/2020 map)
24 > 2020
26 > 2020/2021
28 > 2021
?? > 2021/2022
?? > 2022
?? > 2022/2023
?? > 2023

The brackets need altering > actually means less than so 22 is good upto 2019/2020 but not including, hence it rules out the 184 update.

Eg. 22 < 2019/2020 etc.

(FEC 07300022)

Interested to have Dejana's two last characters who has Mapcare to see whether it makes sense against when he got it enabled. Walone I reckon will be the same as mine was before I got it set to unlimited which is off the bottom of the Hex table on the Russian board which makes sense.

I compared this FEC with the ones I had on delivery and the two retrofit software updates to work this out against that Russian site. I'm assuming all Seat models with mib2 high have the 073 Mapcare code.

Handy Ready Reckoner Table for when your Mapcare runs out on a Seat Mib2 Plus / High

With this information a ready reckoner Table for Seat Mib2 Highs based on the last 2 characters of the FEC starting with 073 obtained by

1. Hold Menu button until service mode shows.
2. Press "Function enabling codes (FEC, SWaP)"
3. Press "Installed codes"

Look at the last two characters of the FEC beginning with 073:

Code Allowed - Update month

10
11	2015 June
12
13	2015 Nov
14
15	2016 June
16
17	2016 Nov
18
19	2017 June
1a
1b	2017 Nov
1c
1d	2018 June
1e
1f	2018 Nov
20
21	2019 June
22
23	2019 Nov
24
25	2020 June
26
27	2020 Nov
28
29	2021 June
2a
2b	2021 Nov
2c
2d	2022 June
2e
2f	2022 Nov
30
31	2023 June
32
33	2023 Nov
34
35	2024 June
36
37	2024 Nov
38
39	2025 June
3a
3b	2025 Nov
3c
3d	2026 June
3e
3f	2026 Nov
40
41	2027 June
42
43	2027 Nov
44
45	2028 June
46
47	2028 Nov
48
49	2029 June
4A
4B	2029 Nov
4C
4D	2030 June
4E
4F	2030 Nov
50
51	2031 June
52
53	2031 Nov
54
55	2032 June
56
57	2032 Nov
58
59	2033 June
5A
5B	2033 Nov
5C
5D	2034 June
5E
5F	2034 Nov

In the table above I've re-organised the codes on the Russian website into how we know Mapcare FEC code works on a Seat Mib2 Plus (High) - sliding the quarters to match. For example if the Mapcare code ends in 22 you can load up to June 2019 but can't go beyond (my last experience). 16 covers June 2016 but not beyond (my original with build in the autumn). 10 doesn't include 2015 June (Walone's original), Walone's currently at 22 complaining about activation which is the precursor to it not taking updated map. Five point validation

Enjoy.

Edited August 2020 to add in additional a decode from Hex code 40 on running to 5F since some retro-fitters are said to be adding 10 years on.

 

[Deleted member 98136]

Had a longer drive today.
No issues at all, still contains the same quirks as the old maps did.

* Dual carriageway is listed as 60mph.
* Roundabouts - manoeuvre view still split into several parts for eg when taking 3rd exit or more.
* Speed limits not really Upto date. I have roads around me in Norfolk that have had limit changes over 1 year ago and still not updated.

 

[Deleted member 98136]

Are you by any chance refering to the NDR ( dual carriageway) as showing as only 60mph, when it should be 70 ?

 

[JimH]

Are you by any chance refering to the NDR ( dual carriageway) as showing as only 60mph, when it should be 70 ?

Same for me - and some dualled sections of the A47.....

 

[Tell]

Same for me - and some dualled sections of the A47.....

I think TomTom are a bit slow at getting correct road speeds. Either the road speed is taken off a commercial provider by the people that manufacture the upload or it's taken from the TomTom database with the cartography. I have been trying to get them to push back a 30mph area where a development extended the boundary of a village but they didnt take that on-board still pending. Then a new bypass broad into a town which was missing they included plus a lot of other missing development roads. Then they have fallen asleep since September put my stuff as pending !.

The graphics on the roundabouts is a feature of the standard, poorly executed against the high. Doesn't show all of the roundabout as you enter, then the parts. It's shows you the first part as you are about to enter but not where you are going. You have to wait for that which is silly. The high shows you the plan of where you are going before you enter it, then the parts as you move around.

As I've muttered before if interested in digital mapping get yourself a login to TomTom and contribute. I'm sure a few of us do . Do it on a desk top. Provide hard evidence for validation to get it past the process.

https://www.tomtom.com/uam/UI/Login...p&spEntityID=mapsharereporter&redirected=true

 

[Slickric21]

Are you by any chance refering to the NDR ( dual carriageway) as showing as only 60mph, when it should be 70 ?

Yes I am actually !!!
Also a few if the adjoining roads around Drayton have been 30mph and show up as 40mph still.

Shame as Google/Apple/Sygic all have the correct speeds for these roads for well over a year.

 

[Tell]

That's where you fill in the TomTom map share reporter to register errors and omissions.