Ronin225's Candy rimmed Black LCR - Project 500-4WD, Cage installed and bigger turbo

Ronin225

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Decided to treat the car to some love today, so hoovered out, all washed down, polished the whole thing and did all the glass
I'm by no means a detailer and not anal about it being overly pristine so its by no means perfect
So a few pics of how it turned out
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Everyone seems to list what they used to get there cars clean so i'll do the same
1.thanks to SECT the resident DJ for the mixes to keep me going
2. About a gallon of sweat
3. 10ml of blood when i half fell over trying to dance and clean simultaneously
4. couple of cans of coke
5. A hoover
6. Some meguiars stuff

Just need to organise a day with Phill now to see if i can log the Lambda's to see if a dying one is causing my EML
Also as far as buying a TIG welder goes, a decent set with the gubbins is a couple of grand so hire/borrow is the only real way
 

t0m

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Car looks great mate, love the products used also, blood, sweat and some meguiars stuff :D

I will be cleaning mine tomorrow in the simmering heat! Joy.
 

belly91

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this does look stunning mate, sore you yesterday (one that waved lol)
 

Ronin225

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Few more things to update, replaced my brakelight again after the last one died within a week
The brake pad wear sensor light has come on so need to check the cabling as its been linked out so shouldnt come on
Spoke to Phill and barn about doing some logging of the lambdas to try sort my EML but none of us really have any idea what readings we should be getting, apart from knowing we need to log block 031 and 032
Anyone shine a light on these?
 

8bit

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What fault codes are you seeing? 031 shows lambda readings (actual and commanded), 032 shows your long and short-term fuel trims. You can see 032 without even starting the engine, if the long-term trim is outwith -7.0 to +7.0 then something isn't right.

If you're worried about air/fuel ratios then log blocks 001 and 031. 001 shows lambda correction values, 031 shows actual readings. You could chuck a block showing MAF readings on there too just to check that, it's the usual suspect.
 

Ronin225

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Thanks for the advice
Car was previously 200 g/s with its mods on the OE map, it then started to pop and bang more (lots more) EML came and cars performance was pulled back
If reset the car does pull better but bangs lots more hence me thinking of overfuelling and dead lambda
I may try and do some logs of 001 and 031, then 003 and 020 and see what kind of results i get.
I do have the spare MAF off the S3 but its probably quicker to just pop out and do a log
 

8bit

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Thanks for the advice
Car was previously 200 g/s with its mods on the OE map, it then started to pop and bang more (lots more) EML came and cars performance was pulled back
If reset the car does pull better but bangs lots more hence me thinking of overfuelling and dead lambda
I may try and do some logs of 001 and 031, then 003 and 020 and see what kind of results i get.
I do have the spare MAF off the S3 but its probably quicker to just pop out and do a log

Haven't heard of a dead lambda causing limp mode but never say never. Plenty of other reasons for overfuelling too tho, hence worth logging MAF readings. Checked for boost leaks? If you post the fault code throwing the EML that will give some more clues.

200 g/s on OEM map is pretty cool :)
 
This happened on my Ibiza :(

It was faulty maf in the end but it caused my coils to die and my lambda. I had ignition, lambda, cat and fueling codes, 10 of em lol.

I changed the coils and the lambda first still happened so new maf and it's been ok since. Limp mode I couldn't get rid of by turning the car off had to erase the codes first.
 

Ronin225

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Cheers for the input guys
The EML came on about 5 months ago since doing it i changed to range plugs and the 2 litre coils so they are ok
I may have logged the MAF since the EML but cant remember, i think ive checked for leaks too
I dont have the full vagcom so cant log block 031 but i can do 001 and 003 tonight
 

Ronin225

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Quick logs of block 001 and 002
Code:
TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	°C	%		STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s
0.01	2560	83	0	1101001	0.34	2600	85	8.5	50.19
0.76	2680	83	0	1100001	1.23	2760	134.6	13.26	84.11
1.65	2880	83	0.8	1101001	2.16	3040	144.4	13.94	84.61
2.66	3160	83	-2.3	1101001	3.06	3280	143.6	13.6	91.14
3.46	3400	83	-3.9	1101001	3.88	3480	145.1	13.94	95.67
4.27	3600	83	-4.7	1101001	4.68	3720	147.4	13.94	106.14
5.08	3840	83	-3.1	1101001	5.48	3920	148.1	13.94	111.64
5.99	4040	83	-1.6	1101001	6.48	4160	147.4	13.94	117.56
6.88	4280	83	-0.8	1101001	7.28	4360	148.1	14.28	125.28
7.68	4480	83	-0.8	1101001	8.1	4560	145.9	13.94	126.75
8.5	4640	83	0	1101001	8.9	4760	148.9	14.62	133.75
9.3	4840	83	-0.8	1101001	9.7	4920	148.1	14.62	141.06
10.1	5000	83	0	1101001	10.51	5120	148.1	14.28	141.86
11.01	5200	84	-0.8	1101001	11.41	5280	148.1	14.28	149.53
11.81	5360	84	0.8	1101001	12.21	5440	151.9	14.62	160.89
12.63	5520	84	0	1101001	13.02	5600	155.6	14.96	165.75
13.52	5680	84	0.8	1101001	14.03	5800	153.4	14.62	171.94
14.43	5840	84	0.8	1101001	14.83	5920	151.1	14.62	170.81
15.23	5960	84	-1.6	1101001	15.63	6040	149.6	14.28	171.67
16.03	6080	84	0	1101001	16.43	6120	151.1	15.3	173.39
16.85	6200	84	0.8	1101001	17.34	6240	142.9	15.3	173.97
17.76	6320	84	0.8	1101001	18.25	6360	145.1	16.32	173.11
Code:
STAMP	 /min	°C	%		STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s
0.01	2680	78	-6.3	1101000	0.41	2760	121.1	11.9	76.47
0.81	2880	78	-2.3	1101000	1.21	2960	152.6	14.96	84.25
1.61	3080	78	-3.1	1101000	2.01	3200	143.6	13.94	89.94
2.52	3320	78	-3.9	1101000	3.02	3480	146.6	13.94	96.61
3.42	3560	79	-3.1	1101000	3.82	3680	147.4	13.94	104.03
4.22	3800	79	-2.3	1101000	4.63	3920	145.9	13.94	109.42
5.13	4040	80	-0.8	1101000	5.53	4120	148.1	14.28	116.53
6.04	4240	80	-0.8	1101000	6.54	4400	147.4	13.94	123.39
6.94	4480	80	0	1101000	7.34	4560	146.6	14.28	129.56
7.76	4680	81	0.8	1101000	8.25	4800	147.4	13.94	135.89
8.65	4880	81	0	1101001	9.05	4960	147.4	14.28	139.64
9.45	5080	81	0.8	1101001	9.87	5120	146.6	13.94	146.58
10.27	5280	81	0	1101001	10.67	5480	151.9	14.62	158.44
11.07	5400	81	0	1101001	11.47	5480	152.6	14.62	161.36
11.98	5560	81	-0.8	1101001	12.48	5680	152.6	14.96	168.28
12.88	5760	81	0.8	1101001	13.27	5840	153.4	14.96	169.97
13.68	5880	81	0.8	1101001	14.09	5960	150.4	14.62	173.11
14.49	6040	81	0	1101001	14.89	6080	142.1	14.28	176.86
15.29	6160	82	0	1101001	15.7	6200	143.6	15.64	175.69
16.09	6240	82	0	1101001	16.51	6280	145.1	16.32	171.44
16.91	6360	82	0.8	1101001	17.42	6400	148.9	16.32	173.11
17.91	6120	83	0	1110001	18.31	5840	79.7	8.16	98.5
18.71	5080	83	1.6	1110001	19.11	5000	13.5	1.36	1.67
Code:
STAMP	 /min	°C	%		STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s
0.49	2720	90	0	11100001	0.01	2640	93.2	8.84	47.36
1.31	2960	90	0.8	11101001	0.89	2840	138.3	13.6	84.97
2.2	3200	90	-2.3	11101001	1.8	3080	143.6	13.6	84.78
3.02	3440	90	-2.3	11101001	2.62	3320	143.6	13.94	90.89
3.82	3640	90	-3.1	11101001	3.42	3520	145.9	13.94	100.67
4.62	3840	90	-1.6	11101001	4.22	3760	147.4	13.94	104.03
5.42	4080	90	0	11101001	5.02	3960	146.6	13.94	110.31
6.33	4280	90	0	11101001	5.85	4160	147.4	14.28	118.14
7.24	4520	90	0.8	11101001	6.73	4400	148.1	14.28	123.56
8.14	4720	90	0.8	11101001	7.74	4600	145.1	13.94	128.53
8.94	4880	90	0.8	11101001	8.54	4800	148.1	14.28	138.03
9.85	5120	90	0.8	11101001	9.36	4960	148.1	14.28	140.44
10.65	5280	90	0.8	11101001	10.25	5160	148.9	14.28	148.25
11.56	5440	90	1.6	11101001	11.07	5320	145.1	13.94	153.64
12.36	5600	90	2.3	11101001	11.96	5520	151.1	14.62	160.89
13.18	5720	90	0.8	11101001	12.76	5680	151.9	14.62	168.03
14.07	5920	90	0.8	11101001	13.67	5840	154.9	15.3	170.22
14.87	6000	90	1.6	11101001	14.49	5960	153.4	14.96	172.81
15.69	6120	90	0.8	11101001	15.29	6080	151.9	15.64	169.39
16.5	6240	90	1.6	11101001	16.09	6160	146.6	16.32	170.22
17.29	6160	90	0	11110001	16.89	6280	140.6	15.98	167.72
18.11	4960	90	0	11100001	17.69	5640	14.3	1.7	8.47
The MAF readings look down but not majorly low. Lambda will go outside +or- 7 sat at idle too
May pop the MAF from the S3 on now and take it out just to see if it feels any better
Any info on the above would be appreciated
 

Ronin225

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Quickly swapped over to the S3 MAF of unknown age or condition and initially it didnt feel much better, still flat and not quick so thought id do a quick log then it seemed to adapt
Code:
Group A:	'001				Group B:	'002			
	RPM	Temperature	Lambda	Bin. Bits		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow
TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	°C	%		STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s
0.4	3040	78	0	11100000	0.01	2960	60.9	7.14	50.92
1.21	3440	77	-5.5	11101000	0.81	3240	154.1	14.62	119.14
2.01	3920	77	-7.8	11101000	1.61	3640	183.5	15.3	125.81
2.93	4440	77	-4.7	11101000	2.41	4160	177.4	14.96	138.92
3.82	4920	77	-3.1	11101000	3.42	4680	172.2	14.62	155.83
4.62	5360	77	-3.9	11101000	4.22	5120	170.7	14.28	171.97
5.44	5760	77	-0.8	11101000	5.04	5520	175.9	15.3	186.33
6.24	6160	77	-3.1	11101000	5.84	5960	175.2	15.3	199.06
7.05	6560	78	0	11110000	6.65	6360	173.7	14.96	198.92
Code:
Group A:	'001				Group B:	'002			
	RPM	Temperature	Lambda	Bin. Bits		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow
TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	°C	%		STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s
0.01	2560	78	0	11100000	0.45	2680	145.9	12.92	89.33
0.85	2800	78	-4.7	11101000	1.25	2880	178.2	15.64	90.86
1.65	3000	78	-7	11101000	2.07	3080	166.9	14.28	97.5
2.47	3200	78	-7	11101000	2.86	3280	167.7	14.28	109.42
3.27	3400	78	-7.8	11101000	3.67	3520	169.2	14.28	113.69
4.07	3600	78	-8.6	11101000	4.46	3720	170.7	14.28	119.42
4.88	3840	78	-7	11101000	5.38	3920	172.2	14.62	128.97
5.78	4040	78	-5.5	11101000	6.29	4160	169.9	14.62	137.92
6.69	4240	78	-3.9	11101000	7.09	4360	169.9	14.62	144.08
7.58	4480	78	-3.9	11101000	8	4560	167.7	14.28	147.72
8.4	4680	78	-4.7	11101000	8.9	4800	166.2	13.94	151.89
9.41	4880	78	-3.1	11101000	9.81	5000	167.7	14.28	157.92
10.21	5080	79	-3.9	11101000	10.61	5120	167.7	14.28	167.28
11.01	5240	79	-3.9	11101000	11.52	5360	170.7	14.62	176.58
12.02	5440	79	-3.1	11101000	12.42	5520	173.7	14.96	181.5
12.82	5600	80	-1.6	11101000	13.22	5680	172.2	14.96	187.86
13.63	5760	80	-0.8	11101000	14.03	5800	175.2	15.3	187.86
14.45	5880	80	-0.8	11101000	14.83	5960	169.9	14.96	190.31
15.23	6000	81	-0.8	11101000	15.63	6080	171.4	15.98	192.78
16.05	6120	81	0	11101000	16.54	6160	158.6	15.3	194.03
17.06	6240	81	0	11101001	17.46	6280	163.9	16.32	194.33
17.86	6280	81	0	11110001	18.37	5560	13.5	1.7	8.44
Not sure if thats completely solved it but as i drove it seemed to get better, hopefully lambda is ok
 

8bit

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Your first three logs look a bit down MAF-wise compare to the other two so on the face of that the S3 MAF is probably in better nick than the other one. Lambda corrections on block 001 show it's trying to pull a fair bit of fuel out of the mix, it's a shame you can't log block 031 to see the actual lambda sensor values, you could calculate AFRs from that. Can you get someone with full VCDS to help out?

Are you not able to scan it for fault codes? Should be able to do that with unregistered vagcom.
 

Ronin225

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I'll have a chat to Phillc and see if some time this/next week we can do block 031
Only fault code is 16804 catalyst below efficiency threshold
The lambda readings were all over the place when watching with normal driving, a few times of negative high 20's
Just wonder if as chambers said it has killed my lambda too, but need to log it to be sure
 

8bit

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lambda readings will be all over the shop when normal driving, when you lift off the throttle for example (even not by much) the throttle plate closes a bit and for a fraction of a second the car is running really rich, you're just seeing it coping with your constantly changing driving inputs.

Way to check lambdas is log block 031 plus one other that shows RPM (001 would show the correction values too), do a 3rd or ideally 4th gear run from about 2000rpm until about 6krpm. Foot flat on the floor too, if the block 031 values are too high, too low or all over the place then your lambdas or your cat are shot.
 
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