420bhp hybrid k04

[vRSy]

Dan, did Awsome map your car? Will they not swop you to REVO FOC?

i dont think revo do a map for the GT28. im asure they only do the GT30 BT upgrades. might be wrong though....

edit---- http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=brands&id=4
here you go

Stage3 GT3071R for 2.0T FSI Transverse based vehicles
Required: ATP 3071R Turbo Kit
RS4/R8 injectors
3.0"Turbo back exhaust without pre-cat and with decat or highflow catalytic convertor (DP comes with turbo kit)
Cold Air intake (comes with turbo kit)
uprated or additional intercooler (S3 uses larger stock IC but additional IC is recommended)
highflow mechanical fuel pump
Associated hardware for fitting and installation
Recommended: Upgraded Clutch
Upgraded Engine/transmission Mounts
Boost Gauge
Wideband A/F or lambda display
uprated brakes

 

[DanGB]

Dan, did Awsome map your car? Will they not swop you to REVO FOC?

Its all APR's own hardware so that means APR software.

 

[Poverty]

Consider these 1/4 mile times. For instance JonnyC's Ed30 was faster at stage2+ than with a GT30 big turbo. then consider the other big turbos are lower down the pecking order ie regals Gt28 was only quicker than the stage 1 and 2 cars but not the stage 2+ cars

To be fair though jonny only took the BT build car down santa pod once and the conditions were rubbish.

Granted though, his stage 2 TTRS does seem to be a quicker car than his old big turbo S3.

 

[Poverty]

Id be tempted to put a hybrid in an s3 or golf R but other than that stage 2+ is enough. BT is not something that appeals to me.

Im not sure, depends on under what conditions you mainly do WOT runs.

Third gear on with a hybrid should put the power down just as well as a non hybrid stage 2+, most of the gains will be higher up the rev range.

 

[Deleted member 53697]

Surely Jonny knew what he was doing when doing BT on his Ed30 GTI? I cant believe he would have thrown £5-10k at an idea that was fundamentally flawed...

 

[Poverty]

Surely Jonny knew what he was doing when doing BT on his Ed30 GTI? I cant believe he would have thrown £5-10k at an idea that was fundamentally flawed...

Big power through fwd will always be fundamentally flawed

The TTRS at stock can spin all for of its 255 width wheels when launching, and do 4 wheel power slides.

 

[beeko85]

will this require internals or are the cupra internals strong enough to handle a hybrid already?

 

[DanGB]

Depends what torque it produces. its torque that bends rods.

 

[Poverty]

Hybrids generally produce less torque but more bhp high up.

The 420bhp giac car has only got -3 timing pull now on it's current map.

 

[IbizaAlex]

Hybrids generally produce less torque but more bhp high up.

The 420bhp giac car has only got -3 timing pull now on it's current map.

Does that mean its not now 420bhp?

 

[Poverty]

Does that mean its not now 420bhp?

Still 420-430hp apparently with furling being spot on.

 

[robdf2]

is there a way to calculte what timing pull means in real world lost BHP?

 

[jonnyc]

Ok, just quickly.. Lets not forget that there was ICE on the ground the day that I ran the ED30 in big turbo spec.. lol..

Forget the times.. Even with no traction until 4th the car still got a 119mph trap speed.. Trust me, that car was seriously fast!! And NO K04 2.0T FSI would be anywhere near it in any circumstance..

Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to run the car on a good day to do its performance justice.. Oh well..

 

[Invisible]

Does that mean its not now 420bhp?

SEAT leons can still run a map successfuly up to -9 om timing pull and it is not uncommon for the to be at -5, or -3.

Sure any negative timing numbers show that the ECU is fighting (pulling back) but it can still make 420 bhp and produce a smooth graph.

My car pulled 315 yesterday with a smooth graph and albeit I have not seen the logs yet was running at -3

 

[Al]

Ok, just quickly.. Lets not forget that there was ICE on the ground the day that I ran the ED30 in big turbo spec.. lol..

Forget the times.. Even with no traction until 4th the car still got a 119mph trap speed.. Trust me, that car was seriously fast!! And NO K04 2.0T FSI would be anywhere near it in any circumstance..

Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to run the car on a good day to do its performance justice.. Oh well..

Is that not the same day that K04 cars were still doing usual K04 times though?

Also, as I recall, you swapped back to the K04 turbo before you sold the Golf?

 

[Poverty]

Tbh the times a ko4 was doing hasn't got much relevance to his bt car. At low speeds my friends nodded type r could keep up with my k1, then it wasn't till 3rd, 4th etc that I just left him behind.

The 119 term shows that it was quick, however from that one result we cannot determine how it would do against a ko4 in a 30-120 shootout

 

[Ben CTR]

What power was your mate's Type R Pov? I used to have one and they can be quick fookers in the right hands..

 

[vRSy]

Tbh the times a ko4 was doing hasn't got much relevance to his bt car. At low speeds my friends nodded type r could keep up with my k1, then it wasn't till 3rd, 4th etc that I just left him behind.

The 119 term shows that it was quick, however from that one result we cannot determine how it would do against a ko4 in a 30-120 shootout

surprised at that.

Had two mates who had fully modded CTR's up until last year mate had a mk1 type R and spend a few grand on modifying it. as in full decat exhaust system, different ECU etc. he stopped short of doing the supercharger conversion.

My vRS at stage 1 was ever so slightly quicker than his fully modified type R(about 240hp iirc), at Stage 2 it was noticeably faster, and stage 2+ it annihilated him big style, it used to destroy him, in every gear from every speed increment without fail. Plus even with full coilovers mine was more comfy than his stock suspension lol. He now runs the new vRS TSI, and the other guy has now got an EVO.

 

[vRSy]

Is that not the same day that K04 cars were still doing usual K04 times though?

the next point is, JC had pretty much every top end handling mod available, with top end tyres MUCH wider than stock. iirr they were R888s @ around 255 wide and to be fair they would have been upto temp after a quick burnouts at the beginning the fact that you still couldnt put power down, just goes to show how much of a waste of time it is to go past stage 2+ k04 power in a FWD

 

[Poverty]

What power was your mate's Type R Pov? I used to have one and they can be quick fookers in the right hands..

It was running 280 n/a ponies, quickest type r around without forced induction. Thing is shanes stock k1 keeps with me in first and 2nd aswell, purely because you cannot put all te 360 ponies down.

Oh the ctr is stripped aswell