Cupramillo's MK3 Ibiza Cupra Gone, EVO 8 MR FQ320 CARBON ON!!

[cupramillo]

Didnt mean to drop you in it Robbie with my comments. But you have certainly started a possible debate about the two turbos in question. I just got an email from Mark at CR, my turbo has arrived at their work shop and is in good condition for the hybrid treatment

I have just asked him for a run through of the process that will be carried out on the turbo just so that im in the know as to what they actually do.

Sorry to hear that your car is running poor JB, not the turbo is it?

 

[jamiebennett81]

Interesting discussion. I can only comment on my own experience of going out in a CR Hybrid Ibiza compared to Ian's and my own Turbo Dynamics hybrid/JBS04. If I refer back to the PM I sent you CupraMillo...

CR hybrid units use the CHRA from an RS6, the biggest wheels in the K04 range - but Mark acknowledged this is purely because he can buy the cartridges in at a very good price and customers generally demand the biggest wheels possible.

The JBS04 uses the next wheel size down, but these are modified (trimmed and lightened) for better spool up etc. Over the phone Mark agreed that, flow wise, the fact that the wheels are *slightly* smaller will make no real world difference as the turbo will only flow a finite amount of air anyway.

The deciding factor for me was when I went out in Benny's CR hybrid, and then out in Ian's JBS04 - the exact same turbo as mine. It was instantly noticeable how Ian's felt like a much more aggressive and stronger turbo - though I didn't know if this was just down to the map. Having now had mine fitted and mapped by Bill (Ian used CC3) - even Bill himself agreed that these turbos are more "lively" than the CR units he has dealt with to date at least.

That said, the air flow figures I'm seeing match Benny's like-for-like, running similar mods. Therefore they are clearly producing similar power - it's the WAY in which the power is delivered by the TD hybrid that I like - especially coming from Revo Stg 1 where it kicks all the power in at once.

Bottom line: I honestly think the Turbo Dynamics hybrid has a noticeable edge over the CRT in terms of aggression and spool up, though they both flow similar figures. All depends what you're looking for really, though I remember feeling slightly let down by the CRT hybrid.

This isn't intended to spark up an argument over "which hybrid is best" - purely my own perception based on my own experiences I was lucky enough to get my TD hybrid at a very good price so if it works out a lot more expensive that the CR turbo then it's not an easy decision.

*lights blue touch paper, puts on flame suit and runs

interesting read, although difficult to compare with different cars, mods, one car running better than the other etc etc

many outside factors to consider

Sorry to hear that your car is running poor JB, not the turbo is it?

I dont know, really need a sunday to investigate properly (no time or money at present), but pending a full service (oil, sparks etc) and a new MAF with some new hoses etc, then it will put me in a better place to see what is going on

lost the will

 

[Robbie C]

Didnt mean to drop you in it Robbie with my comments. But you have certainly started a possible debate about the two turbos in question. I just got an email from Mark at CR, my turbo has arrived at their work shop and is in good condition for the hybrid treatment

I have just asked him for a run through of the process that will be carried out on the turbo just so that im in the know as to what they actually do.

Sorry to hear that your car is running poor JB, not the turbo is it?

No worries

Just trying to justify my own opinions to anyone else that reads this. It's not intended to be read as "well so and so said this so it's therefore better", purely my own perception based on the knowledge I have gained and cars I have been out in.

 

[Robbie C]

Agreed Jamie - the map obviously also having a lot to do with it too

Anyway, I'm stealing your thread sorry. No doubt you'll love the CR hybrid

 

[jamiebennett81]

Agreed Jamie - the map obviously also having a lot to do with it too

Anyway, I'm stealing your thread sorry. No doubt you'll love the CR hybrid

I have been out in Ians, and it is a very very aggressive map, although factors like Ians is a lot lighter, a lot noisier etc without the sound deadening can all add effects to "it feeling faster" etc

I would be interested to see with the two turbo's and map, where Ian's peak power is. I would at a guess feel Ian's (once his mani is on) might die off slightly quicker top end due to its aggressive style lower down the rev range

but we are discussing two different setups, which is not a good starting basis for a fair or equal comparison

 

[Robbie C]

All fair points - though apparently Ian's was mapped "conservatively" while he is still on OE rods. It would be great to get a hybrid RR day organised next year when we have a few more finished MK3s to see how they all compare

 

[cupramillo]

No dont worry Robbie, its good to talk about these things. Is has informed me alot thats for sure! Interesting to read and see how different turbo companies go down their own seperate routes to achieve what they want. Time will tell if i like the CR hybrid, cant see why i wouldnt. Its going to be a step up in power from the stage2 ko3s and thats all i want, getting the most out of an OEM style fast spooling turbo without going into BT territory.

 

[cupramillo]

Just recieved this from MArk at CRT about the Hybrid process:

The compressor wheel from the RS6 is a K04, and that is the one we use.
If you maybe think of the compressor and turbine wheels rotate in their housing, and a piston is moving up and down in the bore of an engine. When we make a hybrid and use larger wheels we are machining out the housings accordingly in the same way that an engine might be bored out to fit larger pistons.
The turbo is initially stripped apart the housings are chemically cleaned and then shot blasted back to bare metal. They are then machined on the mating faces.
The new hybrid core is built with the uprated thrust bearing and then high speed balanced to 100,000Rpm. The housings are then profiled on the lathe and milling machine to suit the new core.
The uprated actuator operates from .9Bar to 2.0Bar.
Hope this helps

Interesting stuff!

 

[ibizacupra]

no 2 hybrid cars i have had come thru here have had the same supporting mods, so direct comparisons are always going to be difficult.

in actual airflow terms i am seeing a variance on these hybrids of 27g/s between extremes between cars i have seen logged and mapped

 

[cupramillo]

Bill, on average, what do you think the hybrid units are putting out currently, around the 260-280 region realistically? I know there must be alot of different variables like you mentioned, like mods and engine condition and age.

 

[cupramillo]

In one night i managed to get a puncture in my one month my old toyo t1r tyre and suffer my first coilpack failure in just under two years of cupra ownership. Got the coilpack fixed by the AA and now earlier on my drive to work, i think another one is going. Same hesitation and misfire under acceleration. Going to have to bite the bullet and replace the remaining three tomorrow

Such **** timing as i just ordered my KO3 hybrid on friday and money is going to be abit short. Tyre is costing £63 delivered from Camskill, coilpack was £45 from the AA last night(ripoff) and the remaining three from GSF are foinf to cost another £72!!

 

[Ibiza125]

Are they original Bosch ones from GSF bud? You would be better off buying from the dealer as they are only £25 and you get proper ones.

I bought a bolt down S3 coilpack for £30 I think it was from Audi.

 

[tarzan]

Are they original Bosch ones from GSF bud? You would be better off buying from the dealer as they are only £25 and you get proper ones.

I bought a bolt down S3 coilpack for £30 I think it was from Audi.

i have the s3 one no problems with them a coil pack is 80£here in norway

 

[cupramillo]

Huummm maybe your right, there is a local Seat dealership to me in Wimbledon, might try then instead if they are not silly money, if prefer genuine VAG ones if possible, just so bloody annoying as i was so pleased with how the car was running and then coilpacks start blowing and i officially hate the car!!

 

[s1l3nc3r]

Coilpacks are a common one mate you no that...

S**t when things go wrong though least its an easy cheap enough fix. could of been worse like a lambda or somthing..

 

[cupramillo]

Yeh i know mate. Read sooo many threads with other people suffering with them, but never me until now. But your right its a cheap fix, just annoying that the car is not running 100%. Roll on Monday for some new coilpacks!

 

[cupramillo]

My personal tribute to the bain of our lives.... COIL PACKS!

My own

And my two personal favourites!!

Enjoy and feel free to add your own

 

[cupramillo]

Car was still playing up after the AA changed the one blown coilpack so picked up some genuine VAG ones from my Seat Dealer in Wimbledon, worked out at 28quid each which i not that bad i suppose! Replaced the remaining 3 with the new ones and took her for a spin and its running fine

Cant go over 50mph as i still have my rear space saver tyre on from my puncture on saturday! As sods law whilst i was out getting the coilpacks!

 

[daves ibiza]

fair play mate car is coming along very nice . get your hybrid on then mapping then all hell breaks loose . cuprajobes sounds awesome on his vid . post vid of yours when you get all sorted bud

 

[cupramillo]

Is his video on the mk3 section under the thread flybi's and popping? Yeh its taken alot of time and MONEY to get the car to this stage, and the spending is not over yet! Will probably have to get some uprated engine mounts aswell, so i can add another £300 to whats been spent already. Mapping it around £600 mark! Going to try and ask Hooch to fit the turbo, injectors ad maf to try and keep my costs down abit compared to taking it to a garage!

Car is running well now aswell after i fitted the 3 new coilpacks today in the rain Just need my new tyre on so i can go over 50mph! Im dying like this!