Skorchio's LCR - 293 bhp 313 ft/lb - Stock K04 :)

[Skorchio]

Spent all night reading and things are starting to click in to place.

Found this as well

((Injector rating (in cc/min) x no. of injectors x duty cycle) / 10.5 ) / BSFC (in lbs/hr) = bhp

= 276 BHP little bit more than my last dyno (but it didnt feel right on the drive down)

Aarons = 284.82

seems to match, but thats without WMI benifit as surly the Injector Duty Cycle is not effected by the WMI? So if your getting more power form the WMI it wont show? If anything is would be reduced, reducing fule from the excess meth cause lamba readings to be rich?

brain overload

 

[wild willy]

he hasnt been playing with the actuator Willy it just runs well.

i was suprised about our run up the A5 Nick, yours felt very quick on sunday i wasnt expecting that.

i dont see how you can have an IDC of over 100% maybe Wilko or Dave can shed some light?

my stock turbo apr lcr always ran the same if not a little stronger than the stage 2 revo and my mass airflow logs and boost values weren't 1.3 bar @ red lineand over 210g/sec. looking good though guys.

 

[probee]

thanks Willy.... what is your name, i cant keep calling you willy (your going to say willy arnt you )

after doing some reading it does seem obvious now that it could be requesting over 100% IDC, at that point im assuming you will run lean because it can only deliver 100%...... be careful nick!

 

[Skorchio]

Thanks Will?

Well tonight i had to go back to Acetone and wanted to make sure what i was running was not flamable, i mixed 50/50 and it was flamable, 33/77, flamable.

I found Acetone/water has to be 30/70 ish to not be flamable. But i think i need to test it again as i think i mixed the 30/70 much better than the others.

Acetone is 150 octain but turns slower than petrol, reducing the effective octain.

Has anone tried igniting 50/50 meth?

 

[Skorchio]

Car felt very good to night with the 30/70 mix, somtimes lumpy on gear change (3rd to 4th) but i think thats down to the nozzle stil beeing o big and getting a build up before the TB. Ill get thus see what its doing.

Another thing, after a good thrashing on boost i quickly pulled over and popped the bonnet, inlet was freezing, even cooler than then dynatwist casing, and that has a forced CIA. Very Awesome!

 

[jonjay]

Amazing work there Nick (reminds me of myself joking!). Glad to see everything is falling into place. Need to have a long chat with you soon about it all - may take a trip up to see you?

 

[ibizacupra]

Has anone tried igniting 50/50 meth?

yes, and I could'nt

 

[DPJ]

But you can't see it burning........

 

[Skorchio]

I shall try mixing Acetone with water 50/50 and mixing it better/leving it to stand for a few hours.

Sure Maz, i think me and Aaron are going to have a but of a car cleaning day and your name passed our lips for and inv (think we spoke about it at the AMD day?).

Logs tomorrow and i need to decide what Nozzles to get when Bill has stock.

Im thinking
DO2
2 GPH (126ml/min)
and

DO3
3 GPH (189ml/min)

Maybe Dot4! Argh... Be nice to get all of them!



Also bill do you have these comming?
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/wa....html?osCsid=3f256609f8b4ec66901692279adf66db

 

[Skorchio]

Ran some logs tonight and embarrassed a 4.2 A6

STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	IDC
601.54	3480	191.7	22.1	146.56	0	0	0	0	64.09
602.75	4320	191.7	24.48	167.89	0	0	0	0	88.13
603.97	5040	191.7	16.32	188.78	0	0	0	0	68.54
605.38	5800	187.2	15.98	204.33	0	0	0	0	77.24
606.67	6320	178.9	15.3	212.25	0	0	0	0	80.58
									
740.76	3800	73.7	7.82	55.61	0	0	0	0	24.76
742.07	3960	66.2	5.1	49.17	0	0	0	0	16.83
743.36	4080	69.2	5.1	55.11	0	0	0	0	17.34
744.67	4280	84.2	6.46	67.75	0	0	0	0	23.04
745.89	4560	131.6	9.86	117.36	0	0	0	0	37.47
747.09	4720	14.3	2.04	3.08	0	0	0	0	8.02
748.5	5080	191.7	27.54	205.14	0	0	0	0	116.59
749.71	5640	191.7	16.32	209.56	0	0	0	0	76.7
750.93	6240	27.1	1.02	0	0	0	0	0	5.3
752.22	5280	191.7	17	202.69	0	0	0	0	74.8
753.42	5680	191.7	16.66	210.89	0	0	0	0	78.86
754.73	6080	173.7	14.62	211.92	0	0	0	0	74.07
755.93	5080	177.4	13.94	207.92	0	0	0	0	59.01
757.15	5320	191.7	16.66	204.92	0	0	0	0	73.86
758.46	5560	191.7	17	207.56	0	0	0	0	78.77
759.76	5760	189.5	18.36	207.56	0	0	0	0	88.13
									
766.3	4960	191.7	17.34	198.11	0	0	0	0	71.67
767.71	5080	191.7	17	198.72	0	0	0	0	71.97
769.02	5200	191.7	16.66	199.97	0	0	0	0	72.19
770.22	5320	191.7	16.66	200.33	0	0	0	0	73.86
771.53	5360	191.7	18.02	202.42	0	0	0	0	80.49

Aaron sat night can we play arround with pushing the timeing further?

 

[jonjay]

Sure Maz, i think me and Aaron are going to have a but of a car cleaning day and your name passed our lips for and inv (think we spoke about it at the AMD day?).

Just let me know when Nick

 

[probee]

Aaron sat night can we play arround with pushing the timeing further?

as long as you get to mine early enough mate..

 

[Skorchio]

I think my IDC is reading over 100% when there is to much WMI and the lamba is reading it as low fule mix so wants more injected? It must be worked out from somewhere? I dont think i need to worry as its not always over 100% when on full load so it must be just a miss reading from a sensor or to much water?

 

[Skorchio]

Im going to be pushing the timeing tonight, i have downloaded lemmiwinks but have a question.

Do i just increase channel 9 by +5 (as it can correct 12 and im not getting any cfs?) run loggs for CFs then increase by 2 at a time and repeat??

Do i need to change anything else as im pushing the timeing?

For ref

 

[Skorchio]

Good Lemmiwinks ref

http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=1618056&page=3

 

[probee]

how did you get on Nick?

you dont need to chnage anything else but keep an eye on the usual to be sure. i sort of think you should wait until you have the correct nozzle as you are only going to need to do this all again.

 

[crying_boy]

very good..

 

[Skorchio]

Thanks Crying Boy

Pushing the timeing went from +3 -> +5.25 -> +7.25 (cfs) -> +6 (cfs) -> +5.2 (cfs) -> +3.75 (cfs) -> +3 (low cfs)

So i left it on 3, i guess as the engine got hotter and hotter it just didnt like it. Im kicking myself a bit as on run 7.25 and 6 and i gunned it 2 gears which just added to the heat. But thinking back surly if im ragging the car around "a track" i will want to see the CF's from ragging it through multiple gears?

The last log is from this morning when oil just hit temp, nice 22'o timeing on the last run but flowed less air? + no CF's

Im going to do another log from ragging it when hot for a few miles and see what comes up. This is all on a 330CC nozzel running 30/70 Acetone mix. New nozzels soon when Bill gets stock

Logs

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
50.68	3440	145.14	100	12.8	51.08	0	0	0	0		
51.48	4040	167.97	100	15	51.89	0	0	0	0		Up +3
52.28	4560	179.36	100	18	52.69	0	0	0	0		
53.09	5040	197.81	100	15.8	53.49	0	0	0	0		
53.89	5520	201.67	100	15.8	54.31	0	0	0	0		
54.71	5880	204.92	100	17.3	55.11	0	0	0	0		
55.51	6200	211.25	100	15	55.91	0	0	0	0		
											
91.73	3480	144.31	100	13.5	92.13	0	0	0	0		
92.52	4040	172.19	100	15	92.92	0	0	0	0		
93.32	4600	182.25	100	18	93.72	0	0	0	0		
94.12	5080	198.89	100	15.8	94.54	0	0	0	0		
94.94	5520	204.61	100	14.3	95.34	0	0	0	0		
95.74	5880	208.44	100	16.5	96.14	0	0	0	0		
96.56	6240	211.92	99.6	15	96.96	0	0	0	0		
97.36	6520	210.22	99.6	15.8	97.76	0	0	0	0

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
19.31	3080	97.92	100	21.8	19.71	0	0	0	0		
20.11	3600	161.28	100	12.8	20.53	0	0	0	0		Up +5.25
20.93	4200	171.5	100	18.8	21.32	0	0	0	0		
21.73	4720	186.39	100	18.8	22.12	0	0	0	0		
22.54	5200	198.61	100	18.8	22.94	0	0	0	0		
23.34	5640	204.61	100	16.5	23.74	0	0	0	0		
24.14	6040	208.89	100	17.3	24.56	0	0	0	0		
24.94	6400	211.58	99.6	17.3	25.36	0	0	0	0		
25.76	6440	101.42	8.2	2.3	26.17	0	0	0	0		
											
33.8	4560	70.53	23.9	25.5	34.2	0	0	0	0		
34.6	4800	192.28	99.2	15.8	35	0	0	0	0		
35.4	5040	194.94	100	19.5	35.82	0	0	0	0		
36.22	5280	199.94	100	18.8	36.62	0	0	0	0		
37.02	5560	205.92	99.6	19.5	37.42	0	0	0	0

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °ATDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
8.85	3280	91.25	95.7	29.3	9.26	0	0	0	0		
9.66	3760	170.72	100	10.5	10.06	0	0	0	0		Up + 7.25
10.46	4400	177.94	100	12.8	10.86	0	3	3	3		
11.26	4880	188.53	99.6	21	11.66	0	3	3	3		
12.08	5360	202.14	100	19.5	12.48	0	2.3	2.3	2.3		
12.88	5760	207.22	100	20.3	13.28	0	2.3	2.3	2.3		
13.68	6120	208.56	100	21	14.08	0	1.5	1.5	1.5		
14.48	6480	212.08	100	18.8	14.89	0	1.5	1.5	1.5		
16.09	5120	124.81	96.9	36	16.49	0	0	0	0		
16.89	5200	200.33	100	17.3	17.29	0	0	0	0		
17.71	5440	204.61	100	18.8	18.11	0	0	0	0	
18.51	5680	205.25	100	18	18.91	0	0	0	0	
19.31	5920	205.25	100	19.5	19.71	0	0	0	0	
20.12	6120	207.92	100	19.5	20.52	0	0	0	0	
										
46.66	3120	76.75	92.9	13.5	47.08	0	0	3	3	
47.48	3600	175.08	100	15.8	47.88	3	6	3	3	
48.28	4200	177.5	100	12	48.68	3	6	3	3	
49.08	4760	186.39	100	11.3	49.48	3	5.3	3	3	
49.9	5280	201.31	100	12	50.29	2.3	4.5	2.3	1.5	
50.69	5720	206.58	100	14.3	51.09	0.8	3	0.8	0.8	
51.49	6120	208.56	100	20.3	51.89	0	2.3	0	0	
52.31	6480	212.94	100	19.5	52.71	0	2.3	0	0	
53.11	6320	0	5.5	7.5	53.51	0	0	0	0

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
17.69	3040	93.81	100	25.5	18.09	6	6	3	3.8		
18.51	3600	158.75	100	9	18.91	6	6	3	3.8		Up + 6
19.31	4200	172.14	99.6	12	19.71	6	6	3	3.8		
20.11	4800	186.25	100	13.5	20.51	6	6	3	3.8		
20.91	5360	201.64	100	15	21.32	5.3	5.3	2.3	3		
21.72	5800	202.33	100	18	22.12	5.3	5.3	2.3	3		
22.52	6240	204.61	99.6	20.3	22.92	0	0	2.3	3		
23.32	5000	144.28	95.3	23.3	23.72	0	0	0	0		
24.14	5320	201.31	100	19.5	24.54	0	0	6	3		
24.94	5560	202.33	100	14.3	25.34	0	0	6	3		
25.74	5760	205.25	100	18.8	26.14	0	0	6	2.3		
26.54	5960	207.92	100	21	26.96	0	0	5.3	2.3		
27.35	6520	209.56	99.6	19.5	27.75	0	0	4.5	0		
28.15	5080	203.61	95.3	16.5	28.55	0	3	4.5	6		
28.95	5200	200.22	100	16.5	29.37	0	3	3.8	7.5		
29.77	5360	201.31	100	12.8	30.17	0	3	6	7.5		
30.57	5480	205.25	99.2	19.5	30.97	0	2.3	6	6.8		
31.37	5600	205.42	100	14.3	31.77	0	0	0	0

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
9.22	2920	92.75	100	21.8	9.62	0	0	0	0		
10.04	3440	144.42	100	15	10.44	0	3	0	0		Up + 5.25
10.84	3960	169.72	100	20.3	11.24	0	3	0	0		
11.64	4520	177.33	100	14.3	12.05	0	2.3	0	0		
12.45	5040	193.11	100	16.5	12.85	0	2.3	0	0		
13.25	5520	202.97	100	19.5	13.65	0	2.3	0	0		
14.07	5920	204.28	100	18	14.47	0	1.5	0	0		
14.87	6320	210.42	99.2	21.8	15.27	0	1.5	0	0		
											
33.36	3920	121.08	93.7	30	33.78	0	3	0	0		
34.18	4400	181.69	100	20.3	34.58	0	6	3	3		
34.98	4960	194.17	99.6	18.8	35.38	0	6	3	3		
35.79	5480	207.56	100	15.8	36.19	0	5.3	3	3		
36.59	5880	206.92	100	18	36.99	0	5.3	2.3	2.3		
37.39	6280	209.97	100	19.5	37.81	0	5.3	2.3	2.3		
38.21	6600	211.92	99.6	12	38.61	0	0	0	0		
											
54.29	3920	132.86	96.9	9	54.7	0	1.5	3	0		
55.1	4400	181.25	100	20.3	55.5	0	4.5	3	3		
55.9	4880	190.31	100	23.3	56.3	0	4.5	3	3		
56.7	5360	201.31	100	21	57.12	0	3.8	2.3	2.3		
57.52	5760	206.58	100	23.3	57.92	0	3.8	2.3	2.3		
58.32	6160	215.31	99.2	18	58.73	0	3.8	2.3	2.3

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
82.99	3600	128.14	98.8	27.8	83.39	3	3	0	0		
83.79	4240	182.78	100	8.3	84.21	3	3	0	0		Up +3.75
84.61	4800	187.69	100	15	85.01	3	3	0	3		
85.41	5360	204.61	100	15	85.81	3	2.3	0	3		
86.21	5800	205.92	100	16.5	86.61	2.3	2.3	0	2.3		
87.03	6240	212.25	100	19.5	87.43	2.3	2.3	0	2.3		
87.83	5600	42.31	29.8	31.5	88.22	0	0	0	0		
88.63	5080	207.06	99.2	16.5	89.03	0	0	0	0		
89.43	5320	205.58	100	17.3	89.84	0	0	3	3		
90.24	5600	206.53	100	18	90.64	0	0	6	3		
91.04	5800	208.89	100	12.8	91.44	0	0	6	2.3		
91.86	6040	209.56	100	18.8	92.26	0	0	5.3	1.5		
92.66	5760	0	5.1	6	93.06	0	0	0.8	0		
93.46	4840	129.28	99.2	27	93.86	0	0	0.8	0		
94.26	5040	196.5	100	13.5	94.66	0	0	0	0		
95.07	5160	190.61	99.6	18	95.47	0	0	3	0		
											
132.07	3720	148.17	100	20.3	132.49	0	0	0	3	
132.89	4840	183.47	100	20.3	133.29	0	3	0	3	
133.69	5600	203.94	100	21.8	134.09	0	3	0	3	
134.49	5120	18.64	21.2	33.8	134.89	0	0	0	0	
135.29	4520	189.86	100	15.8	135.71	0	0	0	0	
136.11	5040	195.72	99.6	21	136.51	0	0	0	0	
136.91	5560	205.42	100	21.8	137.31	0	0	0	0	
137.71	6000	208.25	100	22.5	138.12	0	0	0	0	
										
139.32	4680	9.22	7.8	3.8	139.72	0	0	0	0	
148.17	3320	100.5	93.7	27.8	148.57	0	0	0	0	
148.98	3880	170.75	100	10.5	149.37	0	6	3	3	
149.78	4440	181.89	100	19.5	150.18	0	6	3	3	
150.58	4920	192.36	100	15.8	150.98	0	6	2.3	2.3	
151.4	5360	202.69	100	18.8	151.8	0	5.3	2.3	2.3	
152.2	5800	208.56	100	15.8	152.6	0	5.3	2.3	2.3	
153	6160	212.28	99.6	17.3	153.4	0	4.5	1.5	1.5		
153.8	6480	211.92	100	20.3	154.21	0	0	0	0

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
13.29	3360	74.92	86.3	27.8	12.88	0	0	0	0		
14.09	3640	89.53	100	29.3	13.69	0	0	0	0		Up +3
14.89	4080	176.25	100	12.8	14.49	0	0	3	0		
15.69	4640	187.28	100	12.8	15.29	0	3	3	3		
16.51	5080	198.36	100	13.5	16.11	0	3	3	3		
17.31	5520	203.94	99.6	12.8	16.91	3	3	3	3		
18.11	5920	207.22	100	15.8	17.71	3	2.3	2.3	2.3		
18.92	6240	209.89	99.6	16.5	18.51	2.3	2.3	2.3	2.3

From this morning

STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF		
7.76	3400	120.67	97.3	22.5	8.16	0	0	0	0		Up +3
8.67	4040	162	100	18.8	9.07	0	0	0	0		
9.47	4600	179.53	100	14.3	9.96	0	0	0	0		
10.36	5200	199.39	100	15.8	10.78	0	0	0	0		
11.28	5760	206.58	100	17.3	11.79	0	0	0	0		
12.28	6240	212.61	99.6	18.8	12.68	0	0	0	0		
											
38.43	4040	184.47	99.2	11.3	37.94	0	0	0	0		
39.23	4640	187	100	12.8	38.83	0	0	0	0		
40.05	5200	199.69	100	15.8	39.63	0	0	0	0	
40.95	5720	206.92	100	17.3	40.55	0	0	0	0	
41.86	6200	212.08	100	18.8	41.46	0	0	0	0	
										
77.06	4000	138.11	94.5	21	76.66	0	0	0	0	
77.86	4560	185.75	100	21.8	77.44	0	0	0	0	
78.77	5160	198.36	100	19.5	78.26	0	0	0	0	
79.67	5640	204.86	100	20.3	79.27	0	0	0	0	
80.48	6040	208.56	100	21.8	80.07	0	0	0	0	
81.28	6360	210.89	99.2	18	80.88	0	0	0	0

I also my EGT is playing up again, which is causeing me to run rich, and now explains why my engine is requesting over 100% deuty cycle.

 

[probee]

it's starting to look good mate, I'm jealous... I need to get my cam chain sorted.

 

[Skorchio]

You should lend me your nozzle till you do/need it