Hybrid K04 Turbo Discussion

[Ruddmeister]

Feel you have lost me, were you reapeating my question or did i not get across what i was trying to find out?

MRC to me is a body kit company (big in ford circles), i take it you mean someone else? Any info or full name etc so i can search?

How easy is the unit to use and adjust rob?

If you have a search I think you'll find Caney used Minheer

 

[RobDon]

Once all setup, it's easy to use, just press a couple of buttons and you can alter the boost up and down, it also has a brief overboost fuction if you fancy a quick spike of extra boost, you can also match boost levels to rpms as well, if you want low boost at low rpms then high boost at high rpms - just set it and it does it!

 

[Saul]

http://www.mrctuning.com/

 

[Mitchy]

How much is the unit rob and how long fitting did Jim take?

Sounds like a good bit of kit

 

[ibizacupra]

~£270 approx

 

[Scotty_b]

Yeah there around the £280 mark, plus id say 3 hours fitting min

Cheers saul

 

[Feel]

Feel you have lost me, were you reapeating my question or did i not get across what i was trying to find out?

I wasn't just repeating, well hopefully not.

I've re-read it, and it still seems to be the same question?

Yeah a couple of beezers but no other LCR's to see what it shoudl be set to etc

 

[Scotty_b]

"How are you going to find out what it should be set to anyway? There's only one of these turbos fitted to an LCR, although there are others fitted to the same engine."

Thats what i was asking as i have nothing to compare too, so dont know what to set to etc.

Im just trying to eliminate another AM zorst f*ck up as loads of people after saud "yeah i did think....." Id rather now everything and anything first.

 

[m0rk]

If that's teh case for you scott - look at an Eliminator & K03 style DP (straight down)

might suit your needs better - and saves turning the exhaust thru 270 degrees

 

[Scotty_b]

Ok now iam really lost!

 

[Feel]

Well, that was my point - there won't be (I don't think) anyone with this turbo, on an LCR, with a AVC-R. So, there's no-one to copy directly.

There's Ibizas and Leons with other Turbos with AVC-R's and there's S3's with other Turbos and AVC-R, but 4WD obviously. You might find someone with similar boost levels (GTRS or VF34 perhaps?) as a starting point.

But you're going to have to buy one and set it up yourself without having it handed to you on a plate. I'm sure it comes with a manual . It can't be too difficult.

If you wanted it to be easy, you should've bought a kit

 

[Mitchy]

If that's teh case for you scott - look at an Eliminator & K03 style DP (straight down)

might suit your needs better - and saves turning the exhaust thru 270 degrees

Eliminator is more expensive, not knowing if its going to fit RHD and scotty has already paid for this hybrid so why would he change now?

As to apexi boost controller, Jim fitted, mapped and set up rob's hybrid and controller with no troubles, im sure he would do the same for Scotty if he decided to go down this route

 

[Scotty_b]

I would but i dont really want to take it all the way up there if i can get it done down here.

That was also what i was saying feel there is no one i can compare and check with.
Ow sod that i want it all easy and yesturday! I wnated a kit but they dont fot and work! ive since seen what the fitters have been talking about the fitting not being good, there fine if you have to mad to fit anyway but its isnt bolt on bolt off!

 

[Mitchy]

I would say between 305-315bhp levels at worst/best case.

Or thats what i am personally hoping for and would imagine WW and Scotty aswell!

It does keep us in that ''safe'' level for internals where as eliminator 330/340bhp ''may'' be beyond the limits.

Remember the LCR supposedly has the weaker rods compared to the ibiza boys who run 330-340 on standards! I think sub 325 is a reasonable limit on LCR rods that i would be a bit frightened of going beyond!

So personally for me if this turbo can get me past a daily 300hp i will be more than happy! Hoping for 305-315 though!

Only time will tell I may be way off but i dont think so

 

[Feel]

On who's dyno ?

I think it'll just crack 300, maybe 310, with a decent hunk of torque.

There's only one fitted to an LCR (this is wheel hp):

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.scn_09.09.06/gallagher1.jpg

Another fitted to a S3 didn't fair so well at AMD, but did about 20bhp more than other S3's on the same day

 

[Mitchy]

On who's dyno ?

I think it'll just crack 300, with a decent hunk of torque.

There's only one fitted to an LCR (this is wheel hp):

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.scn_09.09.06/gallagher1.jpg

Another fitted to a S3 didn't fair so well at AMD, but did about 20bhp more than other S3's on the same day

I would have liked to have known his whp readings as obviously S3 is going to be different from LCR being FWD/4WD. Awesome have problems calculating fly powers, maybe the S3 did also hence why i would like to have seen whp readings as you can estimate (35-40bhp FWD losses and at least 50bhp 4wd losses)

You also need a set of VAG friendly rollers aswell Having been on here for a while, there is a rolling road lottery and have seen some pretty dodgy figures! Well lane results etc who are non vag friendly and show unrealistic results for our cars, ie IHI powered cars not breaking 300 there.

With 273 whp, without being properly mapped and considering average FWD losses, id certainly be dissapointed if this doesnt break through 300 hence my 305 at worst figure and 315 at a very best.

Well fingers crossed anyway

 

[Mitchy]

Current K04 max 285bhp

I dont think its unfair to assume a further 20bhp from the spec of this turbo (Larger compressor/polished/coated and what ever else that it has had done)

I think it will be a good worthwhile upgrade as we spend £1000 or so on exhaust systems that give us 10bhp/10lbft without any thought

For us current k04 owners, we are still insuring a k04 turbo aswell Go proper BT and insurance will obviously suffer quite a bit

 

[Feel]

You also need a set of VAG friendly rollers aswell

Non of the S3's did well that day, k03s's did good, s4's and RS6's did bang-on . AMD as well, shouldn't be able to get MORE vag friendly (If they're all they're cracked up to be).

 

[m0rk]

AMD dyno days I've been on work like this.

AMD chipped cars, fans infront of intercooler - lots of cold air & correct load. expected results.
ANother cars, fan about 3ft back & some pretty hard runs. numbers a bit low
Revo Cars, fans turned on just prior to the run - then major load applied & graphs heatsoak

They did it several times in the day - and of course the owners dutyfully write down their mods on the 'spec sheet' to give them a clue

 

[Feel]

That is a considerable gain over the stock K04, hybrid K04 and GT2X then.

This may be a worthwhile project over the GT2X and GT28 for me after all then as the lines would need to be changed for both of them anyway.

Need to do some homework to see exactly what I would need.....

Don't forget this is a K04-23 based turbo, so it won't fit directly onto a K03S car, not without a manifold and dp change (plus other bits), which would probably make it more costly than GT2X or GTRS, but still slots inbetween them.