Who's been up against a Civic Type R?

[LEON_FR]

Thats a huge difference! you probably added another 150kg onto your car...

Oh i never thought that would of made "the" difference might fill up with some 98 and ask for a rematch!!

 

[Triple D]

I raced one of the facelift ones before the new shape a couple of months ago, on a dual carridge way, and i showed him soot and comfortably pulled away from him he aknowledged me afterwards aswell and seemed pretty impressed, even though he had just been wasted by a derv

 

[Ben CTR]

Having said that, the Civic has the upperhand in that it is lighter and more aerodynamic. You can see that the Civic gains on my Toledo when the speed increases. A Civic with map, exhaust, filter etc will top at around 102mph. That car was topping at around 1-2 mph more than mine on that particular day but I would suggest that the torque on my 1.8T is what gave it the edge from 40-90mph

The reason you had the edge from 90 mate, is because the CTR driver couldn't launch it for $hit.. He had no revs off the line, then changed to 2nd ridulously early and wasn't even in bloody Vtec (you can hear it on the vid).. If that was lauched properly and wasn't 2 up.. he would of done you quite comfortably mate.. Saying that, that Toledo of yours is a right stealth weapon..

 

[Ben CTR]

ive got a standard LC tdi and my mate has a civic typr r, there isn't much in them really, off the mark the CTR is a bit quicker but once you get them both rolling there's nothing in it really!! (must be my superior driving skills) lol

Be...bloody...have mate! A properly driven CTR would MOTHER a LC TDi end of!!! We're talking of a car that does 0-100 in about 22+secs compared to a car that does 0-100 in 16secs.. And on a roll the difference would be even bigger.. Unless you catch the CTR driver out for about 5rpm..
Remapped would be alot closer, but the CTR will still have the edge..

 

[daveyonthemove]

Be...bloody...have mate! A properly driven CTR would MOTHER a LC TDi end of!!! We're talking of a car that does 0-100 in about 22+secs compared to a car that does 0-100 in 16secs.. And on a roll the difference would be even bigger.. Unless you catch the CTR driver out for about 5rpm..
Remapped would be alot closer, but the CTR will still have the edge..

I've left a CTR in my TDI (mine is remapped on CC phase one though). From a standing start i expect i'd have problems off him, but while we were rolling along at 50 before planting the right foot, he was trailing behind badly. Got to love the torque from a tdi

 

[Ben CTR]

think this video shows the result pretty well;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozHse4au_eI

Conclusive then... A LCR is quicker than a CTR..
Er... NO! That vid has been on this site for about 3 years and it's a standard CTR v's a Re-mapped LCR..
Stock v's Stock it's down to the driver and one will beat another every day of the week when it's got the better driver behind the wheel..
If they are both driven to there limits side by side.. 0-100 very close, after that the CTR will very slowly pull away.. As it has the torque where it's needed (high in the Revs) and better aerodynamics to be fair too..
I've had both..
CTR for 3 years and 100,000 miles
LCR for 2 years and 50,000+ miles

 

[Ben CTR]

To be fair, you may be right.

However, the reason he never launched it off the line is because it was wet, and he was wanting to avoid wheelspin.

In that respect, my car was at more of a disadvantage due to the higher level of torque and being on the more slippy side of the track. The Toledo could only "teeter" off the line as well and was wheel spinning in 2nd where the CTR was not.

Probably with the weight differential if nothing else, that particular Civic would eventually pull away from my Toledo as is seen at the end of the clip.

It was topping 100mph where my Toledo managed 99.3mph at best.

A man with an unbiased opinion at last..
If it's wet then it's down to driver skill really. But i've found my LCR better in the wet than my CTR was . But that's by the by. But that vid just goes to show that even though the CTR has low torque figures, it still rips as the speeds get higher (as the torque is high up the revs were it's needed).
Good times though mate .. You should come down to Pod next year? I'd like to see it run..

 

[RobM]

It might not make as pleasant viewing as we might like, but it's well worth looking on YouTube for for 5th Gear Hot Hatch clip which puts the LCR Vs the CTR Vs the Focus RS.

The outcome pretty much sums up my reasons for buying the LCR over the others...

CTR = Better track day car, sharper handling
FRS = Slightly quicker track day car than the CTR, but too awkward to live with on a daily basis
LCR = Better to live with, only a second slower round a track then the CTR and more pleasant, progressive power delivery.

Yet in a straight line drag between the three, only driver differences will separate them.

You need to ask yourself why you bought your car? If it was to go on a track, then you bought the wrong car. If you bought it to drive around on a daily basis, you bought the best of the bunch. It's fast, it drives well, it doesn't shatter your spine and it doesn't flick you off the road at the first sight of an uneven surface.

Slightly related... the reason I chose the LCR over the CTR is it suits my driving better. I spend more time on the motorway or dual carriageways than I do on tight, twisty country roads, so the power accessibility and torque of the LCR make life a lot more enjoyable

 

[si-mate]

In my opinion, there is no point in bullshitting and all the c0ck measuring you see on forums. Some of it is ridiculous.

Maybe its an age, maturity or realism thing but there will always be something faster, so whats the point in trying to prove your pride and joy is the bee all and end all?!

Hallelujah!

What's the point in stating that you've beaten X,Y or Z? There will always be something out there that is faster. But if you want pure straight line speed that will annihilate Ferrari's then buy a bike.
I didn't buy a fast car to compare / race every other fcuker on the road, I bought it because enjoy the acceleration and the pleasure I get from driving quickly on an empty road.

 

[the_prophet]

Conclusive then... A LCR is quicker than a CTR..
Er... NO! That vid has been on this site for about 3 years and it's a standard CTR v's a Re-mapped LCR..
Stock v's Stock it's down to the driver and one will beat another every day of the week when it's got the better driver behind the wheel..
If they are both driven to there limits side by side.. 0-100 very close, after that the CTR will very slowly pull away.. As it has the torque where it's needed (high in the Revs) and better aerodynamics to be fair too..
I've had both..
CTR for 3 years and 100,000 miles
LCR for 2 years and 50,000+ miles

to be fair it didn't mention anything about specs of the two cars and i wasn't to know it had been posted before. your obviosuly tryin v.hard to make the ctr win the arguement but i personally would choose the lcr any day of the week. may not be the fastest out right on a track or whatever but on a day to day basis it's the better car for many poeple. lovin the arguements though

 

[Mat138L]

The reason you had the edge from 90 mate, is because the CTR driver couldn't launch it for $hit.. He had no revs off the line, then changed to 2nd ridulously early and wasn't even in bloody Vtec (you can hear it on the vid).. If that was lauched properly and wasn't 2 up.. he would of done you quite comfortably mate.. Saying that, that Toledo of yours is a right stealth weapon..

you are right i did think i could not hear the v tec kick in. i have raced 1 or 2 lcr in my ctr and it is always very close and i have raced a few ctr in my lcr and from standstill they are about the same untill say 50 up then mine just pulls away granted i have more power and more torque. The thing that i like about the ctr is its a good car to drive hard and the engine just begs to be driven hard and its just an engine no bolt on turbos,superchargers or anything i just love the car thats why i am on my second one but i love my lcr its practical and goes like stink and looks the dogs nuts.

 

[Sam@xtreme]

Lol, TBH, Iv had loads of plays with civics and they dont even come near! iv got a vid on my fone! will have to post it up

 

[Jonny_Paul]

This has made for interesting reading, its funny to see how people are biased towards there own car, i bet if you went on CTR site people will be saying the exact opposite to what we are saying!

Interesting how some people are comparing modded LCR's to stock CTR's, for me it should be a stock vs stock comparison as someone has said.

I've recently purchased a LC and wonder how that will stack up against one, from what ive read the Civic should have the edge, and i imagine by quite away, but it might be nice catching him off VTEC and me on Boost! and then waiting for me to be off boost and him on vtec lol!!

 

[DamoR]

I've owned a civic type-r (30th anniversary) and now a LCR. I had a race with a black 04 CTR didn't know how much it had been modded, had an exhaust. He gave up in the end and we pulled up at the next set of lights and he stuck his thumb up. Saying that it was no push over and mine is approx 265bhp.

 

[LCR User]

There’s lots of Type R's round my ways, and boy they have given me trouble in standard form!! No doubt they are a fast car, stock vs. stock and it probably does have the edge, from experience..................jus got custom coded yesterday, bring it on Type R!

 

[Romeoisgraham]

My couson has a HCTR and i have the LC..............straight line he pulls away till my turbo kicks in and i catch up rather quick. mines only the 180 bhp with induction kit.......18s........lowered. His HCTR is stock.

 

[Ben CTR]

Your cousin needs to visit this these guys....
http://www.bsm.co.uk/

 

[ElasticTangent]

Are BSM doing a course on the best techniques for getting 0 - 60 times now? How times change. When I learnt to drive you had to stay under the speed limits.

 

[daveyonthemove]

Are BSM doing a course on the best techniques for getting 0 - 60 times now? How times change. When I learnt to drive you had to stay under the speed limits.

Me too. Maybe they teach you to get to the limit faster, but then advise you not to go above it?

 

[speedsix]

I had a play with a CTR recently. Had to repeatedly back off to avoid slamming into his tailgate. Probably thought I was trying to hump him.

Not alot in it at low revs but when the boost comes in hard a remapped LCR will kick sand in the face of a CTR