what have you done to your car today ?

[Nizza]

Bet it had camber tho

Ha ha. As it happens.....it did.


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[Leon20vt4]

I have a cheat sheet somewhere of suspension setup dos and donts and cause and effect if you want more of this do this etc somewhere just gotta find it. It was great when I was setting up my cars for Rally and Auto X in the USA. A well setup stock car with sticky tires will out drive a poorly setup modified car 99% of the time.


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[Gokiwi64]

I have some 30 years of setting up single seaters from Formula Ford all the way to Historic F1's ............there's a fair few of them that would have made you cry.

The best one was a guy that bought an historic F1 car , he couldnt drive it , went sideways up the track, spun in every corner, sold it for 20% of what he paid.
Not one wheel pointed in the same direction, not one wheel had the same camber or caster , or ride height .....a day with a ruler, tape measure and a piece of string was all it took...........

 

[Andrewwright]

Can some one explain how this would give more control. If you got shorter shocks then yes they can fall out but if you have a proper set up then they won't fall out.
As for being a coil over on a beam axle i can't really see the benefits of it . You get adjustable platforms with your springs in the normal set up and a helper spring too.
It won't change the adjustability of it all
I am just lost on why the extra work for the little if any benefits

Yes I hold my hands up....I wasn't thinking about that beam for a second. That still there it's pretty pointless...springs where they are are the best place, more thinking leads me to think the weight of that bar and the springs being moved is going to change to weight distribution (bar becomes dead weight sat there) I know it's still supported but distribution of weight must play with the back end

Again I hold my hands up, I was very wrong.

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[Manic172]

When I went to gaz to order my shocks and springs I did ask about a coil over set up for the rear. No going to mention names but the bloke I spoke to asked me why.... why do you want that... and I said well it must be better and the right thing to have lol. His reply did shock me . He said we can make what ever you want . But they for the "benefits " you may get are not worth it. And as no one here is a btcc. Wtcr wtcc or f1 driver we wouldn't fell the difference or he even able to say how it reacts. So I had separate shocks and springs made but got damping and rebound on the rears and mono tube set up on the front with damping control. Only time will tell if there any good... I don't mean gaz as I know they are good as have them on one saxo and AST on the other one

 

[Manic172]

Yes I hold my hands up....I wasn't thinking about that beam for a second. That still there it's pretty pointless...springs where they are are the best place, more thinking leads me to think the weight of that bar and the springs being moved is going to change to weight distribution (bar becomes dead weight sat there) I know it's still supported but distribution of weight must play with the back end

Again I hold my hands up, I was very wrong.

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It's not about being right or wrong lol. What you said is all true. For independent suspension. I was just going down the route of my saxo. That is beam and torsion bar set up. But there is a bloke who builds an independent set up. So was going to see the cost of some thing like this for the leon

 

[Leon20vt4]

I was trying to think about what the hell is everyone talking about a beam in the rear... then I remember I am 1 of 2 guys on here with 4x4 ... we don’t have a beam... differences below top one is 4x4

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[Manic172]

I am on the look out for one of these tho

 

[Manic172]

Or do I sell the leon and saxo and all the spares and buy this

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/123829926655

 

[Leon20vt4]

Or do I sell the leon and saxo and all the spares and buy this

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/123829926655

No you sell the saxo take the money, come buy a 4x4 Leon shell and do the RHD conversion, using your car or a breaker Leon as a parts car


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[Thai-wronghorse]

No you sell the saxo take the money, come buy a 4x4 Leon shell and do the RHD conversion, using your car or a breaker Leon as a parts car


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Correct answer, **** the Mondeo!

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[Gokiwi64]

See I disagree, buy the Mondeo stick a Chev V8 in it and keep the Leon.

 

[Gokiwi64]

Didnt the Leon Cupra R cup cars ot DTM variants have independant backsides ?

 

[Manic172]

Audi tt saloon. With an f1 wing lol

 

[Nizza]

I have a mondeo. It’s far from that one but it’s still ****. They’re all ****. That’s why they’re taxis and private ambulances. Because they’re ****. Trust me I lost many hours re doing all the bushes on the back end. It was ****.

Because mondeos are ****.

Don’t EVER talk about selling your Leon again.

We shall race one day and it will be good.


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[Nizza]

So. Had a bad day.

Pulled the sump ad some idiot had fitted the rocker cover gasket with a whole tube of sealant. So was scared about my pick up pipe being full of sealant. Turns out I was right!!

When re fitting the sump had 2 fixings go slack and I think the threads in the black are fookd. One in the rear corner driver side tightened to 12nm not 15nm. The other which happens so be hardest one to get to is shot. Looks like gearbox our to re tap as it’s right up next to bell housing. The gasket maker should keep the seal here as 3 other bolts in the location surrounding to attach sump.

Tomorrow night an donnington will tell.

Anyways got high temp brake fluid in and said bye bye to nasty spacers and the wheel bolts! Stud kit boom.

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[Andrewwright]

I am on the look out for one of these tho View attachment 8564

Condition I would be concerned with.

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[Manic172]

I would say at one point j had about70-80 mk1 and mk2 mondeo stacked up when I done banger racing .used to use up to 6 a month smashing the **** out of them

 

[Manic172]

If your any good with a drill. I would drill out the thread and then use what's called a wire insert. You drill and tap the hole out to a bigger size. But then you wind in a "helicoil" thread. This then brings it back down to the size you want. They are used loads in aerospace for threads in aluminium. Because if they keep taking things apart the ally will wear out. So they use these helicoil as they are stainless or mild steel and won't wear out. And even if it did. You use a special tool to grip it and wind it out

 

[Manic172]

that's an average helicoil kit. I think the sump on the 1.8t is an m6 thread. So if it was me I would get hold of m6 x2d size. The 2d bit is the length of the helicoil. It's 2 of its diameters for its length. You typicly get 1d 1.5d 2d so it's more thread to hold on to. I am going to helicoil my sump fixings and a few others when I come to build my engine