Updating the inbuilt Mib3 Satnav Offline

[Tell]

It's also when they start updating the firmware in the other components outside of the infotainment unit. The likes of Obdeleven will tell you if it find an older version of a component firmware in the cars system by just having a record of what the highest value is found by people using the tool. Because there is a higher version in one unit of the car it might not work with a different release somewhere else in the unit. It's a distributed control system so if you started updating the firmware just because it says there is something newer, it can open a can of worms. Whilst the dealer has access to the update notes, the end user doesn't. It exercised @East Yorkshire Retrofits at one point that people were updating beyond what they should be. Probably why Vag took exception to people changing firmware other than by qualified staff given the amount of issues they had with the MQB Evo platform in the early days that have now been ironed out, so one is told. There will be these issue cars around that haven't been fixed where the owner has lived with the bug.

The popping and the clicking of the SOS isn't part of the infotainment system. It's when people start hunting down the firmware of the other control units and whether A works with B etc. It's that reprogramming that dealers get you to sign for, or some do, others say we need to. If you do DIY on this stuff then it can push it over the top.

All of this is different to updating the maps which isn't firmware but data for the navigation program to use.

 

[jeeeefff]

It's also when they start updating the firmware in the other components outside of the infotainment unit. The likes of Obdeleven will tell you if it find an older version of a component firmware in the cars system by just having a record of what the highest value is found by people using the tool. Because there is a higher version in one unit of the car it might not work with a different release somewhere else in the unit. It's a distributed control system so if you started updating the firmware just because it says there is something newer, it can open a can of worms. Whilst the dealer has access to the update notes, the end user doesn't. It exercised @East Yorkshire Retrofits at one point that people were updating beyond what they should be. Probably why Vag took exception to people changing firmware other than by qualified staff given the amount of issues they had with the MQB Evo platform in the early days that have now been ironed out, so one is told. There will be these issue cars around that haven't been fixed where the owner has lived with the bug.

The popping and the clicking of the SOS isn't part of the infotainment system. It's when people start hunting down the firmware of the other control units and whether A works with B etc. It's that reprogramming that dealers get you to sign for, or some do, others say we need to. If you do DIY on this stuff then it can push it over the top.

All of this is different to updating the maps which isn't firmware but data for the navigation program to use.

Ah yes I read a bit about the Obdeleven, I may get this device just for diagnostic purposes as I found the pricing model/credits confusing but another rabbit hole to go down in regards to other can of worms and codes ahahaa. But yeah I totally love the warnings and possible conflicts/bricking that may happen as a result of forced updates. Ill play it safe and just let the current over the air updates happen. I thought I was stuck with a system I cant update as the previous owners weren't aware of the issues being OAPs. I'll just update the Navigation database only as it seem the most 100% safest thing to do. Thanks again buddy, its been been a funny experience so far tinkering wise, Ive got a another PC stroke car ahhaha but I'm getting there thanks for the group here which has helped me not regret my purchase a bit more.

 

[jeeeefff]

Let us know!


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Ah will do buddy and will put up further details for any other new owners too. I'm very thankful for the insight and experience you and everyone has had with these cars. It's good to know there are folk that have resolved the issues too and good to know my car isn't a total lemon hahaha

 

[Tell]

Think the threads gone a bit off topic.

 

[Prisoner627]

Ok, Tell, we understand that you are annoyed...
Therefore, I’ll stop following the topic

@jeeeef, send me a pm when you have done the update, or if you have questions.


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[jeeeefff]

Think the threads gone a bit off topic.

ah you are right, mostly my fault but yes I'll focus on the navigation part first. I've attempted to download the latest public navigation database as mention on your first post but noticed the download attempts keep failing:

I'm I correct in assuming this is the same file? Especially for being a UK driver.

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Thanks again.

 

[Tell]

Ok, Tell, we understand that you are annoyed...
Therefore, I’ll stop following the topic

@jeeeef, send me a pm when you have done the update, or if you have questions.


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You need a mib3 firmware thread. There is one for mib2. I normally remind people after a bit on mib2 firmware / software threads they are posting in the wrong place else it goes off topic. A mib3 firmware thread then it would be on topic . Better to share rather than have PMs if we can all learn.

Post up the thread .

 

[jeeeefff]

Think the threads gone a bit off topic.

ah you are right, mostly my fault but yeh I'll focus on the navigation part.

You need a mib3 firmware thread. There is one for mib2. I normally remind people after a bit on mib2 firmware / software threads they are posting in the wrong place else it goes off topic. A mib3 firmware thread then it would be on topic . Better to share rather than have PMs if we can all learn.

Post up the thread .

ah nice, thanks again for sign posting. I'll look again in more detail for mib3 firmware thread. Failing that I'll perhaps start one but I'll see if there is any rules on etiquette first as I do ramble but yes love the point on everyone learning from it too. Cheers buddy it'll save me time on wondering why that file didn't work when I try to update the nav database later

 

[Tell]

ah you are right, mostly my fault but yes I'll focus on the navigation part first. I've attempted to download the latest public navigation database as mention on your first post but noticed the download attempts keep failing:

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I'm I correct in assuming this is the same file? Especially for being a UK driver.

MIB Solution :: Login

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Thanks again.

Yes as per post 1. Mibsolution.one reposts the direct links which is this for Europe currently.

https://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/OI_P129_EU_202448_Offline_Update.zip

MartiniB of the Briskoda board sniffs them out and posts them all up. Other boards also look. German Skoda board. The Seat website on navigation files is so out of date hasn't been worth looking. They have automated processes that just run down the sequence of file names in a suitable range till they get a hit. Like a library, the books come in but don't get labelled up. In this case a web page. Those web pages can need the VIN Number but the direct link doesn't so you get the map without owning the car, they are all interchangeable and get it before the official publication. The web designer altering the page to index it. We know they don't change generally from being put in the filestore. Periodically the IT guys screw up the zip file process and this does happen. So it becomes a false start.

The Audi maps which are also interchangeable if on the same version of the hardware are behind a pay wall. They tend to get downloaded and put up on Drive2, sometimes on the mibsolution.one site. The interest on those is they are still producing mib1 maps and mib2 high is likely to continue beyond the Seat / Skoda / VW period. Mib3 you see map files that we don't yet have infotainment units for.

After looking at the subject for a while I trust MartiniBs links which I repost credited to him. When other links are found we tell him so he can edit them in (due to the range of fields he's looking in). He doesn't do the Drive2 ones. There is also a subscription Car Technology website that overlaps with the Drive2 ones, that's the Audi ones. Think the Russians may have problems getting their map files now as well.

I'm editting in the new maps when released in post 1 and put a post in here down the bottom to flag up.

 

[jeeeefff]

Yes as per post 1. Mibsolution.one reposts the direct links which is this for Europe currently.

https://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/OI_P129_EU_202448_Offline_Update.zip

MartiniB of the Briskoda board sniffs them out and posts them all up. Other boards also look. German Skoda board. The Seat website on navigation files is so out of date hasn't been worth looking. They have automated processes that just run down the sequence of file names in a suitable range till they get a hit. Like a library, the books come in but don't get labelled up. In this case a web page. Those web pages can need the VIN Number but the direct link doesn't so you get the map without owning the car, they are all interchangeable and get it before the official publication. The web designer altering the page to index it. We know they don't change generally from being put in the filestore. Periodically the IT guys screw up the zip file process and this does happen. So it becomes a false start.

The Audi maps which are also interchangeable if on the same version of the hardware are behind a pay wall. They tend to get downloaded and put up on Drive2, sometimes on the mibsolution.one site. The interest on those is they are still producing mib1 maps and mib2 high is likely to continue beyond the Seat / Skoda / VW period. Mib3 you see map files that we don't yet have infotainment units for.

After looking at the subject for a while I trust MartiniBs links which I repost credited to him. When other links are found we tell him so he can edit them in (due to the range of fields he's looking in). He doesn't do the Drive2 ones. There is also a subscription Car Technology website that overlaps with the Drive2 ones, that's the Audi ones. Think the Russians may have problems getting their map files now as well.

I'm editting in the new maps when released in post 1 and put a post in here down the bottom to flag up.

ahh super thank again for your time on this matter, I'll catch up again later today after when and would hopefully have gotten my USB C key by them to start making attempts on this. but for now yeh its great to know where to start first and know more about the correct files. I'll check your first post too by this evening. top man.

 

[jeeeefff]

I've opted to be cautious first in updating the Nav database, downloading the dated 22.6 version from Seat directly here:

SEAT Leon 2021 Navi System map updates | SEAT

Car map updates for your SEAT Leon Navi System. Find your map updates here and never lose your way driving again.

www.seat.co.uk

Am I correct to assume I just simply leave the files on the USB C plugged in and it'll do its update (magic?) over time when I'm driving or when the car is on as when I do plug it in, there is no indication it is updating.

I have tried going into service mode but the stick and the files/folders aren't recognised.

I have put the (many) folders extracted to the thumb drive directly. using this drive specifically as it was recommended in the forums to not use a convertor adapter https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YYK13LF?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

 

[Tell]

Drive seems fine. You unzip with 7zip and they go into the route directory. A mistake is where a supplied download unzipped puts them at one level down. Sometimes they get posted like that.

The attached pdf manuals on post #1 shows you the process. If using a MAC you do need to use CleanMyDrive on the unzip file one on the USB to purge unwanted Mac rubbish which messes up the integrity check on the file. You plug the drive in and turn the ignition on. Then you press a button... to see whether it's seeing the drive... some people press a button but it should just start off.

Then the update is carried out by a number of roll back restarts from a restart point if you interrupt it. This is where people like their USB with a flickery led to give an idea of activity.

Ps. I'd use the Skoda one it's more updates. Should take no longer than 40 minutes.

 

[jeeeefff]

Drive seems fine. You unzip with 7zip and they go into the route directory. A mistake is where a supplied download unzipped puts them at one level down. Sometimes they get posted like that.

The attached pdf manuals on post #1 shows you the process. If using a MAC you do need to use CleanMyDrive on the unzip file one on the USB to purge unwanted Mac rubbish which messes up the integrity check on the file. You plug the drive in and turn the ignition on. Then you press a button... to see whether it's seeing the drive... some people press a button but it should just start off.

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Then the update is carried out by a number of roll back restarts from a restart point if you interrupt it. This is where people like their USB with a flickery led to give an idea of activity.

Ps. I'd use the Skoda one it's more updates. Should take no longer than 40 minutes.

ill try again pasting the whole folder with the content rather then just the folders in above folder i.e as per the PDF:

i did try to encoruage the update after not seeing any signs of a update happening going to system > updates . I did hold the bottom left on screen butten to enter service mode which i think is wrong anyware and was surprised to see the usb C not being seen or recognised as it was grayed out despite inserting them into both ports one after the other to test. Do let me know if you were refering to another bottom.

I wanted to use the newer maps you suggested by each attempt to download them, I keep getting cut off:

Lastly, ignition on doesn't mean having the engine running right? the initial A896 update happened with just the screen on and no engine running/fully started.

Thanks for your help on this mate

 

[Tell]

They have problems with the server at the minute. I say it's like hot cakes on map updates, get them whilst you can. Looking at the Briskoda site it had come up before and got corrected. Skoda server issue.

This one is the VW link 6 months before:

https://navigation-maps.volkswagen.com/vw-maps/EUR_12PR119_FCT3WS-23131_Offline_Update.tar

I will check whether VW has bettered this in the meantime. No... That's still the latest VW one on offer. The Skoda one might come back in the meantime. A dead server may be. I'll edit the YY.MM for that one in later.

 

[jeeeefff]

They have problems with the server at the minute. I say it's like hot cakes on map updates, get them whilst you can. Looking at the Briskoda site it had come up before and got corrected. Skoda server issue.

This one is the VW link 6 months before:

https://navigation-maps.volkswagen.com/vw-maps/EUR_12PR119_FCT3WS-23131_Offline_Update.tar

I will check whether VW has bettered this in the meantime. No... That's still the latest VW one on offer. The Skoda one might come back in the meantime. A dead server may be. I'll edit the YY.MM for that one in later.

oh wow thats working thank you:

nice yeh itll be good to do the one thing once. cheers mate. just hopefully it didnt do much or start anything on my last attempt with the older Seat files but I didnt really see any indication of a update starting. I should have got a USB key or external SSD drive that flashes when data is moving, unless an update in progress bar should have showed up if its working?

 

[Tell]

Yes you unzip with 7zip the built file explorer misses out a file that will give you 23.12 if you install it. It either works or doesn't work in the car it won't leave you with empty maps. That's the most recent file that VW has on their system for download.

 

[Tell]

Did it install ?.

 

[jeeeefff]

Did it install ?.

Hey Tell thanks for the updates and further information, i sadly just got back from the day job but will refer to your screen shot to make sure its primed for my attempt tomorrow mate. I do have new questions after my night drive back ahahha but will search for relevant thread for it.

 

[jeeeefff]

Hey Tell thanks for the updates and further information, i sadly just got back from the day job but will refer to your screen shot to make sure its primed for my attempt tomorrow mate. I do have new questions after my night drive back ahahha but will search for relevant thread for it.

extracting now to a exFAT formated drive as noted in the Seat PDF

failing that will try NTFS but will have to wait till tomorrow.

 

[Tell]

Stick to exFat that's designed for solid state memory.