MIB3/SFD2 Navigation activation

[serdar_18fr]

Hi everyone,

When I had ordered my Cupra Ateca, I was expecting that it would come with Navigation feature included, as there was an Ateca with the exact same trim in the showroom and it had navigation on it. But when I collected the car, much to my dismay, there was no navigation on it and the infotainment screen was telling me that I could "go to a dealer and purchase the navigation feature". But here in Turkey, no Cupra dealer nor the Turkish importer of VAG cars has been selling a navigation license so I had to leave the dealer with the excitement of a brand new car but also the disappointment of an unexpected outcome. The people at the dealer told me there's an unresolved conflict between car importers and the government about using the map data/satellite bandwidth and because of that, the cars that have been coming to Turkey for a year or so have no navigation feature, but if & when the problem is solved, the navigation in our cars could be activated by an update. I'm not sure that this is true but when I checked the full PR list of my car, I saw that it has "7UH - Preparation for navigation system (MIB)". I mean, it wasn't saying "no navigation" but "preparation", so what the dealer told me about the activation could be true, I thought. As for why & how there was an Ateca in the showroom with the navigation, they were completely clueless!

Anyway, I had no patience for waiting to hear from the dealer or the importer company and I took the matter into my own hands and looked for a retrofitter who would be able to activate the navigation on a MIB3 unit of a SFD2-protected car. I found one, who has a Chinese contact, who is able to enable the navigation FECs & prepare the needed tokens for required coding changes (of course for a not-so-cheap sum) and we proceeded with the activation. After some time comparing the codings & adaptations of a sample car with mine and haggling with the missing coding changes, we managed to get it worked! After three months with my new car, I'm happy again as if I bought another new car

Here are some photos of this new actually-not-so-much-needed toy in my car & cheers to everyone.
Serdar

 

[cairus]

What did the purchase contract say? Did you back up the documentation to the server? Because your FeC code disappeared during an update at the workshop with ODIS. You also know that your warranty on the navigation system has almost certainly expired?

 

[serdar_18fr]

What did the purchase contract say? Did you back up the documentation to the server? Because your FeC code disappeared during an update at the workshop with ODIS. You also know that your warranty on the navigation system has almost certainly expired?

No mention of navigation in the purchase contract, so it was my fault to be expecting that it was included.
It is not an official license activation so there's no way to back it up to the server.
Yes, if they re-code the units 5F, 09, 75, I would lose it.
And yes for the last question also.

 

[Tell]

This was always a question with mib2 highs and retrofitters or DIY, what if you loosed the FeCs in a dealer update. Hasn't occurred to my knowledge but mib3 is more updateable by firmware and better locked down. You are at the mercy of retrofitters if something goes wrong where DIY solutions to my knowledge don't exist unlike mib2.

Prep in your spec sounds like how they use to be sold for mib2 standard in Israel / Middle East due to issues around navigation they were sold without SD cards (all Vag cars). You just needed a card and download the file to put in and they passed from preparation to being enabled. Probably something similar was expected to enable navigation.

 

[serdar_18fr]

Prep in your spec sounds like how they use to be sold for mib2 standard in Israel / Middle East due to issues around navigation they were sold without SD cards (all Vag cars). You just needed a card and download the file to put in and they passed from preparation to being enabled. Probably something similar was expected to enable navigation.

Unfortunately it wasn't just a matter of downloading/copying the map files to the unit because the FEC related to navigation wasn't enabled in factory & also there were a lot of adaptation items in multiple units that we had to change. I still wonder whether the "preparation" was ever meant to be enabled by dealers somehow, sometime when the laws permitted it or so-called conflict was resolved.

 

[cairus]

The dealer does it using the action code. Odis takes care of the rest.

 

[Tell]

Unfortunately it wasn't just a matter of downloading/copying the map files to the unit because the FEC related to navigation wasn't enabled in factory & also there were a lot of adaptation items in multiple units that we had to change. I still wonder whether the "preparation" was ever meant to be enabled by dealers somehow, sometime when the laws permitted it or so-called conflict was resolved.

Probably a software pack they were going to issue that would do it. Mib2 standard it's generates the FeCs once the SD card goes in. They were all shipped like that in Europe just for mib2 standard. In Israel and around the local government dictated that Vag were not to sell the cars with navigation. Turkey there might be a similar dispute or misunderstanding about boundaries, names and territories ?. That car you saw someone had turned it on.

 

[Tell]

The dealer does it using the action code. Odis takes care of the rest.

That's what I'd call the software pack that hadn't been enabled.

 

[canerkaya]

Unfortunately it wasn't just a matter of downloading/copying the map files to the unit because the FEC related to navigation wasn't enabled in factory & also there were a lot of adaptation items in multiple units that we had to change. I still wonder whether the "preparation" was ever meant to be enabled by dealers somehow, sometime when the laws permitted it or so-called conflict was resolved.

Serdar bende de 2024 Skoda Octavia var. Aynı şekilde navigasyon yok. Nasıl aktif edebildin?

 

[serdar_18fr]

Serdar bende de 2024 Skoda Octavia var. Aynı şekilde navigasyon yok. Nasıl aktif edebildin?

Hi, check your PM box please.

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[Pasific]

Hi, My vehicle is Ateca 2023 MIB3. How can I activate?

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

Serdar bende de 2024 Skoda Octavia var. Aynı şekilde navigasyon yok. Nasıl aktif edebildin?

We can do this for you, assuming it's supported by your hardware

 

[serdar_18fr]

Hi, My vehicle is Ateca 2023 MIB3. How can I activate?

Hi, I can give you the Instagram account of the retrofitter who helped me. He is able to work remotely if you have the means of connecting a diagnostics device such as VAS to your car & computer. You can send a message to him along with the system info of your infotainment unit, and he'll check the compatibility and get back to you. The account is vagretrofitturkiye.



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[Tell]

One to bear in mind East Yorkshire or the other one. Seems they shipped cars to Turkey but didn't want you to use the maps over territory map disputes or licenses. Middle East the same and North Africa. It's those sort of places with iffy 4g where you want the built in maps produced by a proper cartography company.

 

[serdar_18fr]

One to bear in mind East Yorkshire or the other one. Seems they shipped cars to Turkey but didn't want you to use the maps over territory map disputes or licenses. Middle East the same and North Africa. It's those sort of places with iffy 4g where you want the built in maps produced by a proper cartography company.

Sorry, maybe it's because English is not my native language but I didn't get the point of your post. Who is the other one? We already know that there's a dispute between importers and the government. And I see no problem with the cartographer company which produce Turkish maps, as long as we manage to get them work in our cars.

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[Tell]

The board sponsor also offered to do it as well above

East Yorkshire Retrofit Solutions Ltd

East Yorkshire Retrofit Solutions offer retrofit solutions for many vehicles. We specialise is VWAG vehicles such as Seat, Cupra, Volkswagen, Volkswagen commercial, Audi, Skoda, MAN, Porsche & Bentley. We're also able to offer solutions for Ford, Volvo, FCA, Mercedes, BMW & more!

eastyorkshireretrofits.co.uk

So you'd obviously go to them as an alternative to your Turkish one if you didn't live in Turkey.

The maps are produced by Here Maps for the built in unit and can be loaded up once the FeCs are enabled.

In my view Google Maps isn't a professional mapping company... more social media / marketing. The POIs are hit and miss whilst digitised road can be private un made farm tracks not open to the public which the Google system will take you up haphazardly. In the UK we don't go off road too often, sticking to tarmac / concrete roads.

 

[serdar_18fr]

In my view Google Maps isn't a professional mapping company... more social media / marketing.

Didn't look for other countries but in Turkey Google Maps data is provided by Başarsoft, a mapping specialist company.

https://www.basarsoft.com.tr/en/

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[Tell]

Subcontracted nodoubt.

 

[Pasific]

Bu işlem için üniyete müdahale edildi mi? Sadece kodlama ile oluyor mu?

 

[Tell]

It's not coding as such but activations by a retrofitter using Vag tools. The Briskoda site also had reports of leaked files that enabled American mib3 units to work in Europe. All of this is locked down by Vag. Unlike mib2 it's not DIY. That was found by somebody that wanted to activate the maps. It's a bit of a dangerous task to undertake yourself, firmware updates. It also seems the case of loading up different mib3 firmware you find online. Reckon it's best to leave it to experts. Quality retrofitters. The boards sponsor is one @East Yorkshire Retrofits. @serdar_18fr found one in Turkey a bit closer for him than Yorkshire. This will be the new norm to get new cars imported without full mapping activation, activated for where the imported isn't allowed for whatever reason to provide local maps or an oversight.

The other one is where secondhand cars are shipped to the Middle East and Africa. There is quite a market in those cars the same as Japan sells their used cars to Australia and New Zealand. Those again if mib3 will need a retrofitter. Mib2 there are solutions for that which you can do yourself. See the mib2 mapping resource for that. The mib2 standard maps can be twisted to look like another region by populating the files in that way. Mib2 high units the FeCs can be changed. Mib3 is sufficiently carefully locked down to prevent users meddling in the backend of the units. Where you need a tooled up retrofitter.