My gearbox is fooked

[Snoopy]

my moneys on shite syncros or linkages, very poor quality parts used historically by VAG

interesting quote, Ive got two MK1 golf GTIs (1.8GTI campaign and a 1.6) one with 95K one with 190K owned both since i was 17 (14 years and counting) NEVER had a gearbox problem and they got the cr4p rived out of them (i drove like an idiot then) as you do when your that age. We also have a toledo 2.0 8V with 200K on its still on its original box with no problems and owned it since new. Also had the ibiza 2.0 16V that got flogged to death no problems there either.

I wonder if its just a 6 speed box thing.

Anyone had these problems with a 5 speed box or is it just seem to happen to the 6 .

sorry about your cars guys im just wondering if its only a 6 speed box thing.

 

[CupraR-Rog]

It happens when shifting into 3rd on the Ibiza's as well - 5 speed box.

 

[Wheely]

Yep - it feels the same on my 5-speed Leon 2001 TDI. But never felt it on my previous 6-speed Cupra !!!!

Have to be quite positive when engaging 3rd and make sure clutch is fully depressed. Now I'm used to this I rarely notice it. And as theres no warranty left, I hope it doesnt get worse

 

[trax]

Not completely off topic. I was driving today when i noticed something. If I drop down to many gears, say 4th to 2nd then the gearstick doesnt want to engage. If i try to stick it 1st from 4+ then it deffo wont. BTW I'm not really wanting to do this, just trying stuff out and depressing the clutch. Do these gearboxes have safety features on them?

I thought it could be my gearbox screwed but when i slowed down it went in fine.

Only thing I could think of making sense, is that if it is too high revs the gearbox will not let you drop down gears too much to protect the engine from redlining. This could explain some notchy gear changes I've had.

Coincidence? or have I not read the manual properly

 

[ibizacupra]

Not completely off topic. I was driving today when i noticed something. If I drop down to many gears, say 4th to 2nd then the gearstick doesnt want to engage. If i try to stick it 1st from 4+ then it deffo wont. BTW I'm not really wanting to do this, just trying stuff out and depressing the clutch. Do these gearboxes have safety features on them?

I thought it could be my gearbox screwed but when i slowed down it went in fine.

Only thing I could think of making sense, is that if it is too high revs the gearbox will not let you drop down gears too much to protect the engine from redlining. This could explain some notchy gear changes I've had.

Coincidence? or have I not read the manual properly

Too high a speed for the synchro hubs to work...
VAG boxes do not like high revs typically... 5spd thing more than a 6spd thing..

 

[Yello]

Mine does this too mate!
sounds same problem, only from 2nd to 3rd and feels like it just wont engage until I come off the revs, however if I put my slippers on it seems fine, obvioulsy need to drive more sedately at my age!

Has been on my mind to raise it with dealer at next service in a months time.

 

[ibizacupra]

Consider also Redline MTL transmission fluid
Helped my 02J 5spd out a bit

 

[edc]

Not completely off topic. I was driving today when i noticed something. If I drop down to many gears, say 4th to 2nd then the gearstick doesnt want to engage. If i try to stick it 1st from 4+ then it deffo wont. BTW I'm not really wanting to do this, just trying stuff out and depressing the clutch. Do these gearboxes have safety features on them?

I thought it could be my gearbox screwed but when i slowed down it went in fine.

Only thing I could think of making sense, is that if it is too high revs the gearbox will not let you drop down gears too much to protect the engine from redlining. This could explain some notchy gear changes I've had.

Coincidence? or have I not read the manual properly

Try again with double declutch

 

[trax]

Mine does this too mate!
sounds same problem, only from 2nd to 3rd and feels like it just wont engage until I come off the revs, however if I put my slippers on it seems fine, obvioulsy need to drive more sedately at my age!

Has been on my mind to raise it with dealer at next service in a months time.

If your wearing slippers then I guess you should

 

[speed_uk]

had this too dealer replaced the box no probs (southgate)

aswellas the clutch , most of the climate control , middle exhaust, stearing rack, seat brackets + other things

i think some dealers like to charge the customer rather than seat cos they get more money for the work + i`ve only got 3mts left on my warrenty

good luck


i still love my car even with the hastle


the gearbox was changed @ 33k it was whining from 2k and chrunching from about 22k

 

[LDoR]

Not completely off topic. I was driving today when i noticed something. If I drop down to many gears, say 4th to 2nd then the gearstick doesnt want to engage. If i try to stick it 1st from 4+ then it deffo wont. BTW I'm not really wanting to do this, just trying stuff out and depressing the clutch. Do these gearboxes have safety features on them?

I thought it could be my gearbox screwed but when i slowed down it went in fine.

Only thing I could think of making sense, is that if it is too high revs the gearbox will not let you drop down gears too much to protect the engine from redlining. This could explain some notchy gear changes I've had.

Coincidence? or have I not read the manual properly

If you want to down shift across two gears in one go your going to have to blip the throttle before you rengae the clutch. otherwise known as heel and toe. For two gears you'll need to give it quite a bit of throttle but if you do it across one gear it does imporve down shift speed ans smoothness. + it sounds cool

 

[Gilrick]

Been to dealers, told them about the problem. Guy at service desk said they have have had this problem before but not on a 6 speeder. Diagnosis, a faulty gear selector! no mention of syncromesh.

 

[mik]

If you want to down shift across two gears in one go your going to have to blip the throttle before you rengae the clutch. otherwise known as heel and toe. For two gears you'll need to give it quite a bit of throttle but if you do it across one gear it does imporve down shift speed ans smoothness. + it sounds cool

No offense LDoR, but that's the worst description of Heel & Toe I've read in the last 3 minutes.

See THIS THREAD (in which LDoR participates ) if you want to protect your gearboxes.

 

[edc]

Cos what you actually want is a double declutch action, as I mentioned above, unless you are braking at the same time, in which case 'heel and toe', which incorporates double declutch anyway, is handy.

 

[LDoR]

No offense LDoR, but that's the worst description of Heel & Toe I've read in the last 3 minutes.

See THIS THREAD (in which LDoR participates ) if you want to protect your gearboxes.

Theres nothing wrong with that, it was just very short description. You do better in half a sentence

 

[edc]

Theres nothing wrong with that, it was just very short description. You do better in half a sentence

But what you actually described is not even heel and toe!

 

[ibizacupra]

interesting quote, Ive got two MK1 golf GTIs (1.8GTI campaign and a 1.6) one with 95K one with 190K owned both since i was 17 (14 years and counting) NEVER had a gearbox problem and they got the cr4p rived out of them (i drove like an idiot then) as you do when your that age. We also have a toledo 2.0 8V with 200K on its still on its original box with no problems and owned it since new. Also had the ibiza 2.0 16V that got flogged to death no problems there either.

I wonder if its just a 6 speed box thing.

Anyone had these problems with a 5 speed box or is it just seem to happen to the 6 .

sorry about your cars guys im just wondering if its only a 6 speed box thing.

Its not a 6spd thing.. but a cable change g'box thing.. 02A onwards...
020 rod charge ( a la old GTi's and on were fine..)

Much smaller boxes, less inertia in the drivetrain, but weaker boxes than 02A's etc
Less inertia allowed the synchros to work..

 

[mirroreyes]

Mine crunched from 1st to 2nd and occasionaly from 2nd to 3rd when cold and also had a stubborn cluncky change which is partly a trait of this gearbox (VAG group have got alot to learn try Honda Civic Type R)

last time i looked up this topic there was one post back in 2003 with one reply i think, yet when ever you mention it to a seat dealer or seat uk even now they act as though its an isolated problem (heard rumors of problems with the 6sp box in audis back then).

The Dealers looked at me like i had two heads when i suggested the sycromesh was worn or the quality of gear oil was poor, when i noticed the problem with my gearbox i reported it to Premier Garage in Leek at the time with only 3 months warranty remaining, who suggested it was wear and tear (interbred ******s) and then tryed to get out of the third year warranty by saying the service schedule had not been met.

A lengthy battle with Seat UK followed lasting about 6 months, with me writing to the CEO threating legal action against Seat UK and Premier Garage. I then got a replacement box outside of the warranty period, which improved the gearshift for a time, which i think had more to do with the summer months and higher ambiant temperatures, as the old box was fine in summer.

The change started to get clunkey again after about one month, so i took it back again and after another battle the gear change cables were tightened again, which improved the shifting. The gearbox still remains untested in sub zero temperatures when the crunching is more apparant.

My car is currently residing with lookers in stockport where it awaits a new spec gearbox oil (fully synth 75-90 watt, i think) and the sixth attempt to fix the water leak, all under good will waranty as is now 8 months out of warranty.

This car has been a dog with many other problems and dealers who take the piss to boot.

My first and last seat FOOKIN SHITE

 

[jonny disco]

I've been wondering about the gearbox in my LCR recent. I ran the car in like baby (because I've had such bad luck with cars, the reason I bought new) yet from less than a 1k the 'box whines when off the gas. I noticed today while coasting downhill in a traffic jam it was whining in first or second at sub 5 and 10 mph respectively - even with the clutch depressed, which I found odd (but silent when in neutral, as you'd expect)

It's on 9.5k. Another thing I've noticed is when I come off the loud pedal in forth gear there is a vibration through the gearstick which has been there from nearly new, which doesn't happen in any other gear

In for it's 10k oil change on Friday, think I'll get them to make a note of it on the service history in case they argue 'wear and tear' later on.

 

[fishpie]

Following on from this thread here: http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39661&highlight=crunch

Just taken the Leon to the dealer as over the last two weeks it has been crunching when changing from 2nd to 3rd when giving it some stick.

Went out with the service manager and he said that they have a Leon Cupra in at the moment having the same problem. It seems that the syncro mesh had gone. Upon driving mine he said it seems to be the same thing.

They will need the car for three days max to dismantle the gearbox to see what parts need replacing, order them, and fit them.

All under warranty thankfully. I have asked them to check the condition of the clutch as well while it is all apart.

The car has done 27,000 miles and is two years old this month. I wonder how many other Leon boxes could be heading this way?

Scott

Scott any idea of the cost of this? My car is not under warranty and I think it needs the same thing.