Live Mapping or Dyno.....Which is best?

[lelilo]

P-Torque use Dyno
JBS use live mapping
Which do you think is best and why?

Discuss

 

[Toxic]

With a dyno it is in a controlled environment so you dont need to drive constantly about roads. Also no chance of getting done by speed cameras or the police.

With Live Mapping you may get the feel of the map straight away which you dont have with a Dyno until you get it out on the open road.

 

[lelilo]

With a dyno it is in a controlled environment so you dont need to drive constantly about roads. Also no chance of getting done by speed cameras or the police.

With Live Mapping you may get the feel of the map straight away which you dont have with a Dyno until you get it out on the open road.

Agreed, but i'm curious to why tuners like JBS live map cars when they also have a dyno, most people are of the opinion that you will get more power from a car if it's dyno tuned, so why live tune it! perhaps out and out power is detrimental drivability.....my head tells me drivability, my heart says POWER, am I being greedy wanting both

 

[jonathanp]

I would say do as much tuning as you can on a dyno and then fine tune it on the road.

Best option would be to tune on track but thats probably not very likely.

Thing is the open road is where you are going to drive the car not the rr and i can't see there being any rr that can provide the sort of airflow you get out in the open (unless its in a wind tunnel, lol)

 

[lelilo]

I would say do as much tuning as you can on a dyno and then fine tune it on the road.

Best option would be to tune on track but thats probably not very likely.

Thing is the open road is where you are going to drive the car not the rr and i can't see there being any rr that can provide the sort of airflow you get out in the open (unless its in a wind tunnel, lol)

I can always chug a few cans off beans and stand infront of the car
I've booked my Altea FR TDI for a DPF-Delete at JBS, and they live map according to the tuner i've spoken to. Hopefuly they have some long unused roads in derbyshire

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

I think you are being told the wrong info.

You cannot ''live map'' an EDC16 or 17 ECU as fitted to your car. You custom map it my taking multiple logs and making adjustments.

You can't change the data live on the ECU.

 

[lelilo]

I think you are being told the wrong info.

You cannot ''live map'' an EDC16 or 17 ECU as fitted to your car. You custom map it my taking multiple logs and making adjustments.

You can't change the data live on the ECU.

Thanks for the advice, perhaps i got my wires crossed, so which is best dyno and logs or driving it on the road and making logs?

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

Dyno tuning.

Trying to tune a car properly whilst driving around is a bit Mickey Mouse

A dyno can hold a vehicle at set rpm's at various loads to ensure a perfect result. There is no way this can be done safely on the public road. Even if it could the adjustments would not be accurate compared to controlled rpm's and load and throttle %

Its normal to log various info on the open road as a final check with fresh air, but certainly not for tuning.

 

[m0rk]

I think you are being told the wrong info.

You cannot ''live map'' an EDC16 or 17 ECU as fitted to your car. You custom map it my taking multiple logs and making adjustments.

You can't change the data live on the ECU.

Finally

I got bored pointing this kind of stuff out to people

 

[lelilo]

Dyno tuning.

Trying to tune a car properly whilst driving around is a bit Mickey Mouse

A dyno can hold a vehicle at set rpm's at various loads to ensure a perfect result. There is no way this can be done safely on the public road. Even if it could the adjustments would not be accurate compared to controlled rpm's and load and throttle %

Its normal to log various info on the open road as a final check with fresh air, but certainly not for tuning.

Thankyou for your expert opinion, i will take your advice onboard when making my tuning decision. I must say your opinion is at odds with a lot of experienced tuners, perhaps it's a case of one man's meat is another man's posion, it seems the the coventional wisdom is that good results can achieved from both methords, I personaly have always had my cars dyno tuned, but when a well regarded company who have a dyno suggests that better results can be achieved from driving and taking logs i wonder why they would do this if it is the poorer choice in terms of performance.

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

You'll need to ask which ever tuner it is that question.

I don't think any professional tuner would suggest driving around public roads to tune a car to be honest

 

[lelilo]

You'll need to ask which ever tuner it is that question.

I don't think any professional tuner would suggest driving around public roads to tune a car to be honest

Hi Leontdi130,

The current software you are running would not cause a problem for us carrying out our software upgrades on it no.

As your are planning on running a hyrbid turbo you will be looking into our phase 2 software. For this you will require a sports-cat or de-cat pipe and a cat back exhaust system.

The phase 2 map is a totaly custom calibration which ensures we get the very best out of each individual application. We do not recommend any of our maps get tuned using a rolling road, as a rolling road does not replicated the everyday driving conditions and so if done this way will not produce the best outputs when used in day to day driving.

Please see the Custom-Code website link below to find your nearest agents.
(please note - the mobile service is no longer in use so will redirect you straight to HQ)
http://www.custom-code.co.uk/index.p...d=18&Itemid=40


You will be looking around £386.40 for the phase 2 software calibration for your particular vehicle.


Hope this is of some use and look forward to hearing from you.
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[MJ]

Hi Leontdi130,

The current software you are running would not cause a problem for us carrying out our software upgrades on it no.

As your are planning on running a hyrbid turbo you will be looking into our phase 2 software. For this you will require a sports-cat or de-cat pipe and a cat back exhaust system.

The phase 2 map is a totaly custom calibration which ensures we get the very best out of each individual application. We do not recommend any of our maps get tuned using a rolling road, as a rolling road does not replicated the everyday driving conditions and so if done this way will not produce the best outputs when used in day to day driving.

Please see the Custom-Code website link below to find your nearest agents.
(please note - the mobile service is no longer in use so will redirect you straight to HQ)
http://www.custom-code.co.uk/index.p...d=18&Itemid=40


You will be looking around £386.40 for the phase 2 software calibration for your particular vehicle.


Hope this is of some use and look forward to hearing from you.
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The above has more than likely been written by someone who sits behind a desk and does not know 100% what they are on about.

Sports cat for a diesel? never heard of it!?!

Rolling roads cannot replicate day to day driving conditions? if you can provide a good enough cold air feed then why does that not reflect a day to day driving scenario?
Thats basiclly saying that rolling roads are inaccurate and to gain true figures you would have to drive on the roads and take readings and logs, so are they implying the same for bhp figures when tested on the RR?
Ever heard of a riegner3000?, there sales are not doing too well.

 

[lelilo]

The above has more than likely been written by someone who sits behind a desk and does not know 100% what they are on about.

Sports cat for a diesel? never heard of it!?!

Rolling roads cannot replicate day to day driving conditions? if you can provide a good enough cold air feed then why does that not reflect a day to day driving scenario?
Thats basiclly saying that rolling roads are inaccurate and to gain true figures you would have to drive on the roads and take readings and logs, so are they implying the same for bhp figures when tested on the RR?
Ever heard of a riegner3000?, there sales are not doing too well.

I think the reason that they say that rolling roads are not the way to go is because the tuners that sell their Custom Code Remaps haven't got rolling roads!!!!

I agree that rr are the most accurate and safest way of tuning vehicle engines, but it could be argued unless you've got a very powerful and highly tuned engine (not a 170 TDI) a road driven log derived remap isnt going to be a million miles away from a rr tuned version.

 

[WeeG]

Someone has got there wires crossed somewhere... are you not after the dpf delete? If so, they are contracted to working with Millteck, you will be looking at an absolute minimum of £800, r u sure he doesn't think your car is a 130 tdi:s because that price and description is way off if it is dpf delete,

 

[lelilo]

Hi Leontdi130,

The current software you are running would not cause a problem for us carrying out our software upgrades on it no.

As your are planning on running a hyrbid turbo you will be looking into our phase 2 software. For this you will require a sports-cat or de-cat pipe and a cat back exhaust system.

The phase 2 map is a totaly custom calibration which ensures we get the very best out of each individual application. We do not recommend any of our maps get tuned using a rolling road, as a rolling road does not replicated the everyday driving conditions and so if done this way will not produce the best outputs when used in day to day driving.

Please see the Custom-Code website link below to find your nearest agents.
(please note - the mobile service is no longer in use so will redirect you straight to HQ)
http://www.custom-code.co.uk/index.p...d=18&Itemid=40


You will be looking around £386.40 for the phase 2 software calibration for your particular vehicle.


Hope this is of some use and look forward to hearing from you.
__________________
Custom-Code HQ

Someone has got there wires crossed somewhere... are you not after the dpf delete? If so, they are contracted to working with Millteck, you will be looking at an absolute minimum of £800, r u sure he doesn't think your car is a 130 tdi:s because that price and description is way off if it is dpf delete,

The above quote was from one of the threads that was sent to someone else from Custom Code saying that they did not need to rolling road the car to map it accurately, this was posted to show another tuner on this thread that reputable companys map cars without rolling roads, as he feels that tuners can't tune a car properly without one. The above thread was quoted to show that well known tuners dont always use, or feel they need to use rr. I have a DPF delete booked in for next week next and will be paying £730ish.