Latest mod pictures...my hybrid Ibiza - now sold!

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

Sounds like a really sad depressing story to me, and I'm only reading it! God knows how your feeling about it all.

TBH, I know exactly how your feeling seen as I had/am having problems with my own turbo conversion. It's taken a while to get the problem totally sorted and but car is now ready to go. The trouble with getting work done at recommended places is that sometimes they are quite a long distance away, eg JBS for myself and P-torque for you. JBS came and picked my car up which was good of them as I really couldn't drive it all that distance with oil smoke coming out the exhaust. I'd expect the same of P-torque tbh, if its that unsafe to drive then you really shouldn't drive it. Is there no warranty for the work thats been done? I would like to think so, its a big money job and needs to be done right or you'll get no end of problems further down the line. If its gonna be sorted under warranty then you shouldn't have to pay for it to be sent back, or have to drive it back yourself. Just my opinion I know, but JBS sorted out transport for my car and thats further than p-torque

When my car went into limp mode with my original turbo I nearly got rear ended cos I pulled out into the 2nd lane of a dual carriageway and there was just NO power at all. I didn't even know it had gone into limp mode until it was too late so I had to put my foot down as much as poss with my 1.8 non-turbo lol. It can be dangerous if your not expecting loss of boost.

Once it sorted out though, i'm sure you'll be over the moon with it With my car, it's had a 2nd hybrid turbo because the compressor wheel was touching the housing on the 1st one, and now its holding more boost for longer I just can't wait to get it back. Hopefully it'll be as reliable as it was with just a stg1 map

Keep us updated with what goes on, when it all comes good you'll be laughing

I'm glad you understand! Makes me feel like Im human!

I've heard that someone reckons they saw my car white smoke the other day, but wasnt sure if it was because it was if it was cold or not. So I'm not sure.

Today it bogged down as I went into work, not limp mode, but I put my foot on the throttle to change into 2nd and it bogged down as if you needed to pull the choke out more.

Spoken to a guy at a local garage and two fault codes have been found. One about the turbo boost limit being exceeded - the other being about the MAF sensor having an intermittent fault. I thought I was told that the MAF sensor was alright. Maybe I've been mistaken.

A few other companies have been in touch with me after reading this. Some have even been quoting me figures of 230bhp and 380ft/lb of torque. And to sort it. But I'm gonna give Will the benefit of the doubt. He seems a reasonable enough guy - if things arent sorted this time or the problem continues, I'll take another company up on their offer.

I bloody hope I do have a warranty on this! I've spent enough and at the end of the day, it's not right so I shouldnt have to pay for it. Well, I CANT pay for it because I have nothing to pay for it with! It's gonna cost me more money for diesel getting the car there and back. And when it DOES get back, it'll be due a £400 odd quid service! So I'm not particularly rolling in money!

So I'm going to email Will and I'm sure he'll read this too. And hopefully we can come to some sort of agreement. I dont regret taking my business to P-torque and I have nothing bad to say about them. I just wish it was right first time.

Drop the knife it's not worth it

Seriously though you sound gutted me - i know i would be as well as we all really on our cars so much these days. Feel lost without them

Yep - it's horrible. Just want my car back to normal!

sorry to say it the only problem i had was a lack of power which i thought was a boost leak and it was
but nothing like this mate

I cant hear any boost leaks. I've changed the majority of the pipework. We'll see what happens. The car is back at Wills on Friday.

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

More boost = more strain on hoses, jubiless clips etc etc

I'm afraid these things will happen sometimes.

Other companies will quote all sorts of figures as they want your business, so I shouldn't take too much notice of that. My reputation speaks for itself. I said we'll find the issue and we will

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

More boost = more strain on hoses, jubiless clips etc etc

I'm afraid these things will happen sometimes.

Other companies will quote all sorts of figures as they want your business, so I shouldn't take too much notice of that. My reputation speaks for itself. I said we'll find the issue and we will

Im not saying more boost, I'm saying more torque. I would like a bit more if you could squeeze it out.

And I know you'll find the issue Will, I have no doubt in that. Believe me, I wont let you give me the car back until it's fixed.

I trust you with the car, that's why Im letting you have it back. I'm going to email you later and update you with the situations so you have it in writing.

 

[jonjay]

To be quite frank don't think its nice to go publically criticising a respected tuner without knowing exactly what the problem is. I personally think you should have gone straight to Will as soon as you saw those problems and refrained from driving the car until you knew exactly (via vagcom or a trained mechanic) exactly what the problem was.

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

To be quite frank don't think its nice to go publically criticising a respected tuner without knowing exactly what the problem is. I personally think you should have gone straight to Will as soon as you saw those problems and refrained from driving the car until you knew exactly (via vagcom or a trained mechanic) exactly what the problem was.

Im not critising anyone. I've made that clear in all my posts. I'm p1ssed don't get me wrong! But I'm not critising anyone's work.

I did get in touch with Will but he obviously hasnt been getting my messages - that can't be helped. I have been in touch with him and he should now know exactly what's what!

I have said that I dont want to drive my car but Will has assured me it will be ok. So I'm taking his advice.

I am not bad mouthing anyone Jonjay - I am literally looking at page 106 of March 09's perfomance VW magazine at Performance Torque's ad.

I read this from the page now.

"VAG 1.9TD 130 PD-

Stage 1 = 175bhp and 290lbs/ft
Stage 2 = 185bhp and 340lbs/ft
Stage 3 = 240bhp and 360lbs/ft"

So my car is running less than a Stage 2 map - as quoted by Will in the advertisement, and I have a stage 3 setup. I'm not being an arsehole - but I want what I've paid for!

 

[ballenapene]

More boost = more strain on hoses, jubiless clips etc etc

I'm afraid these things will happen sometimes.

Other companies will quote all sorts of figures as they want your business, so I shouldn't take too much notice of that. My reputation speaks for itself. I said we'll find the issue and we will

Im sorry but thats shocking customer service in my book. This guy has spent £1000's with you. Your replys have been little to none, and all you do have to say is "These things happen"

Can you explain how once leaving your workshop the car went from mapped properly, to what ever map its running now? As running a TD2 @ 35Psi+ as the video shows will melt. Even TD themselves are shocked at the map? This isnt a boost leak, or a dodgy sensor. Everything was peachy with the boost before this new turbo and remap? You then tell him to carry on driving it? Your lucky im not doing business with you, as id been contacting a few people to sort this out for me, and it would include a big bill sent directly to you.

Other companies quote those figures because they get them, time and time again. Yes they want his business, as they are there to make money, however I would take alot of notice to these companies. How many Phase 3 TDi's have you mapped @ your original 250bhp and how much torque was it? 360? 380? As I dont see any on this forum? I see either correct bhp figures of 220-230bhp and stupid torques, and not the 'crazy torques' you mention on other forums, I mean 330lb.ft like the OP's.

I dont see you have a reputation for custom remaps? For big turbo maps? I see you role out some Phase 1's with high bhp numbers on your rollers and low torque figures to back them up, nothing more or less?

To be quite frank don't think its nice to go publically criticising a respected tuner without knowing exactly what the problem is. I personally think you should have gone straight to Will as soon as you saw those problems and refrained from driving the car until you knew exactly (via vagcom or a trained mechanic) exactly what the problem was.

Whilst we are being frank, no its not nice to publically criticse a respected tuner without knocking exactly what the problem is I agree.

However to point out, I dont see the OP doing this? As which point has he said P-Torque are crap? He hasnt. Furthermore, this is a open forum, if in his honest opinion he feels this, then he has a right to say so. Just as much as Struggers can post how wonderful they are in his sig. Its got to go both ways.

He did go straight to P-Torque, did they go straight back to him? No. They have told him to carry on driving it. The problem is stupid boost due to mapping isnt it? Unless you want to tell us differently? I cant see how fitting a turbo and mapping it in under a day can lead to perfect results IMHO.

 

[jonjay]

Im sorry but thats shocking customer service in my book. This guy has spent £1000's with you. Your replys have been little to none, and all you do have to say is "These things happen"

Can you explain how once leaving your workshop the car went from mapped properly, to what ever map its running now? As running a TD2 @ 35Psi+ as the video shows will melt. Even TD themselves are shocked at the map? This isnt a boost leak, or a dodgy sensor. Everything was peachy with the boost before this new turbo and remap? You then tell him to carry on driving it? Your lucky im not doing business with you, as id been contacting a few people to sort this out for me, and it would include a big bill sent directly to you.

Other companies quote those figures because they get them, time and time again. Yes they want his business, as they are there to make money, however I would take alot of notice to these companies. How many Phase 3 TDi's have you mapped @ your original 250bhp and how much torque was it? 360? 380? As I dont see any on this forum? I see either correct bhp figures of 220-230bhp and stupid torques, and not the 'crazy torques' you mention on other forums, I mean 330lb.ft like the OP's.

I dont see you have a reputation for custom remaps? For big turbo maps? I see you role out some Phase 1's with high bhp numbers on your rollers and low torque figures to back them up, nothing more or less?

The above is a blatant and silly attack. I can fully understand why Will has not been vocal in this because ultimately the car needs to be looked at. I would say it is HIGHLY unlikely to be the map but either a split turbo hose or MAF.

Once you start tinkering with cars things go wrong - ask any of the prolific modders on here and they will tell you the same. I for one have had a bad burst of problems from Dec-Feb however I never publically went on the forum and said "Dear tuner, you promised me 245bhp but I got 200" but I gave the opportunity and the time for the tuner to get it right.

I AM NOT saying Ibiza 130 tdi is without cause or justification - I am just expressing to him in a polite way that I do not agree with such banter on a public forum without giving the opportunity for Will to see the car first hand. Ibiza 130 tdi thread is quite an enjoyable and productive thread, he also gives good feedback so I am not attacking him in anyway.

Whilst we are being frank, no its not nice to publically criticse a respected tuner without knocking exactly what the problem is I agree.

However to point out, I dont see the OP doing this? As which point has he said P-Torque are crap? He hasnt. Furthermore, this is a open forum, if in his honest opinion he feels this, then he has a right to say so. Just as much as Struggers can post how wonderful they are in his sig. Its got to go both ways.

He did go straight to P-Torque, did they go straight back to him? No. They have told him to carry on driving it. The problem is stupid boost due to mapping isnt it? Unless you want to tell us differently? I cant see how fitting a turbo and mapping it in under a day can lead to perfect results IMHO.

I haven't said that Ibiza 130 tdi said P-torque are crap.

I understand he is upset but sometimes people need to take a step back and go about these problems in a certain way to get the results he wants.

As for the problem, in my experience (I am no expert by any means)
1) Split hose
2) MAF
3) N75

 

[1.9...stefan]

just my 2 pence worth here but i can see the points of view from everone here... ash has paid for a product/service and obviously for the money he has paid he wants it to be right... when you pay for something and it doesnt go right you would be pi55ed off.... although i dont think, if i was in this situation i would be discusing it on a public forum, purely because when you dont sit back and think about things you may say things you regret... thus causing tension between op and tuner... with all due respect i dont think thats will's knowledge of a tuner can be questioned... hes well set up, fully understanding of tuning and has had, from what i can see and personal experience, very good feedback... I dont fully understand indepth tuning etc, but do realise that if a computer/map etc is set to 1.9 bar would imagine it would actully be that on the cars ecu.... i can 100% understand ash's annoyence but think it may have escalated slightly and think more communication needs to be made with just will and ash... i hope you get sorted and fall back in love with your car, i no you been looking forward to hybrid for some time of reading your progress thread.... stick it out and will hopefully be something simple

cheers

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

As for the problem, in my experience (I am no expert by any means)
1) Split hose
2) MAF
3) N75

I have said 100000000000000000 times that I've replaced 80% of the intercooler pipework at the weekend and that the intercooler pipework I have checked was fine. I have admitted that the pipework I couldnt get to has not been checked. The rest is next to brand new. I've also posted that I cannot hear any boost leaks, and other people have also posted that it's strange for a "boost pressure exceeded" fault code has been thrown up if a boost leak was present! As that would be contradicting itself. Im not saying that it couldn't be a boost leak by any means, just seems strange IF it was.

And I have told Will that a MAF code has been shown aswell.

Im by NO means slagging off Will or Performance Torque. In total fairness to the lad, he's wanting to get this sorted as quickly as I do! I couldn't fault that! He's being spot on about getting it sorted. It's just a pain that I have to be the one knocking the miles up and my fuel bills up when I really can't afford to. But if things have to sorted then I have to make sacrifices.

At the end of the day, I trusted Will with doing the work on my car. And I'm giving him the opportunity to sort it! I havent just said "No, that's it it's no good I'm going elsewhere."

I firstly posted the threads about it as I was concerned about my car, which I'm sure 99% of the others on here would've done too as he all care alot about our cars. If you had a problem, you'd probably post online! And as it was a weekend that this happened, i couldnt get in touch with Will straight away so posted on here as I know there as some very knowledgable people on here that could've helped and have done!

I'm not rubbing P-torque up the wrong way as I want them to be happy to work on my car and to give me a good customer service. Im sure it's just as important for Will to make sure I'm happy with what I've paid for as it is for me to be happy to pay Will for what he's done!

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

i can 100% understand ash's annoyence but think it may have escalated slightly and think more communication needs to be made with just will and ash... i hope you get sorted and fall back in love with your car, i no you been looking forward to hybrid for some time of reading your progress thread.... stick it out and will hopefully be something simple

cheers

I understand what you are saying. And I can respect that. But if something happened to your car, I'm sure you'd do similar. If you'd never experienced limp mode and couldnt get directly in touch with Will at the time, I expect you'd have posted on here too.

I must admit that things have gone a bit ott but I cannot control what others say! I think it gets pointed my way because it is my thread.

As I have said all the time, there was a reason I chose P-torque and I'm sure that he will not let me down. It'll be good for people to read all this though, and then see how Will has dealt with it all and sorted the problem! He is a top man and I am backing him on this. But you must understand that I just want this sorted!

 

[sooty22]

i wouldt have thought a split hose would alow it to boost that high as it would just leak and would not show the 35psi as on the gauge, the maf on the other hand wil only sort out the airflow and again wil not have anything to do with the boost its producing, maybe the map sensor i dont know but something not right to leave fine off the rollers and all this to happen, maybe will did not see on the boost gauge what it was boosting at? maybe the gauge is wrong whoch worked fine before the turbo conversion but the only thing can be done before anyone jumps the gun and is see what the problem is then maybe get is sorted before any real damage is done just my tuppence

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

This is weird.... I told Ash straight away to bring the car back in to be checked, not sure what else I can do.

Ash left me a post in my forum section to say that he had waited 100 miles before putting his foot down, and when he did he was very happy with the power, and its delivery smooth and strong.... since then something has started playing up..... so now Ash has deleted the thread giving me good feedback

This thread has got out of control like so many can on forums, and some with little to no knowledge have a dig.

I notice those who have had this sort of upgrade carried out are the ones giving fair opinions and comments

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

maybe the gauge is wrong whoch worked fine before the turbo conversion but the only thing can be done before anyone jumps the gun and is see what the problem is then maybe get is sorted before any real damage is done just my tuppence

The only thing I will say about the boost gauge is, when the boost "jumps", you can hear the exhaust note change and the engine note change, aswell as literally feeling the change to. So it's not as if the gauge is doing it with nothing else to back it up.

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

Im sorry but thats shocking customer service in my book. This guy has spent £1000's with you. Your replys have been little to none, and all you do have to say is "These things happen"

Can you explain how once leaving your workshop the car went from mapped properly, to what ever map its running now? As running a TD2 @ 35Psi+ as the video shows will melt. Even TD themselves are shocked at the map? This isnt a boost leak, or a dodgy sensor. Everything was peachy with the boost before this new turbo and remap? You then tell him to carry on driving it? Your lucky im not doing business with you, as id been contacting a few people to sort this out for me, and it would include a big bill sent directly to you.

Other companies quote those figures because they get them, time and time again. Yes they want his business, as they are there to make money, however I would take alot of notice to these companies. How many Phase 3 TDi's have you mapped @ your original 250bhp and how much torque was it? 360? 380? As I dont see any on this forum? I see either correct bhp figures of 220-230bhp and stupid torques, and not the 'crazy torques' you mention on other forums, I mean 330lb.ft like the OP's.

I dont see you have a reputation for custom remaps? For big turbo maps? I see you role out some Phase 1's with high bhp numbers on your rollers and low torque figures to back them up, nothing more or less?



Whilst we are being frank, no its not nice to publically criticse a respected tuner without knocking exactly what the problem is I agree.

However to point out, I dont see the OP doing this? As which point has he said P-Torque are crap? He hasnt. Furthermore, this is a open forum, if in his honest opinion he feels this, then he has a right to say so. Just as much as Struggers can post how wonderful they are in his sig. Its got to go both ways.

He did go straight to P-Torque, did they go straight back to him? No. They have told him to carry on driving it. The problem is stupid boost due to mapping isnt it? Unless you want to tell us differently? I cant see how fitting a turbo and mapping it in under a day can lead to perfect results IMHO.

Your comments are ridiculous..... Turbo Dynamics confirmed that the boost was too high, but I had already told Ash this.

Also, feel free to call Turbo Dynamics and ask for Mark.... we may actually be mapping his car for him soon!!

If you had a little knowledge, then you would know why Ash's car is hitting limp mode...I think you'll find its because its exceeding the 1.9 bar we have set in the software

Feel free to call me on 01902 324584 and we can discuss any other questions you have

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

This is weird.... I told Ash straight away to bring the car back in to be checked, not sure what else I can do.

Ash left me a post in my forum section to say that he had waited 100 miles before putting his foot down, and when he did he was very happy with the power, and its delivery smooth and strong.... since then something has started playing up..... so now Ash has deleted the thread giving me good feedback

This thread has got out of control like so many can on forums, and some with little to no knowledge have a dig.

I notice those who have had this sort of upgrade carried out are the ones giving fair opinions and comments

I'm not saying you could've done anything more and I keep posting saying that you are not to fault, but something is wrong! Which we both agree on! And I admit I regret deleting that feedback post but i can't go back on things now. I did it after I got in after having 4 limp modes in one journey and was pretty miffed.

I'm backing down on this now and just letting you lot talk about it because I dont want Will thinking im an arsehole or for anyone else to slag me off for updating what's happening with my car in MY car thread.

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

I'm not saying you could've done anything more and I keep posting saying that you are not to fault, but something is wrong! Which we both agree on! And I admit I regret deleting that feedback post but i can't go back on things now. I did it after I got in after having 4 limp modes in one journey and was pretty miffed.

I'm backing down on this now and just letting you lot talk about it because I dont want Will thinking im an arsehole or for anyone else to slag me off for updating what's happening with my car in MY car thread.

Hi Ash

We'll sort it don't worry

It is quite funny how you have acknowledged its not my fault yet some still get the boot in!

Just don't like mugs jumping on threads with 0% knowledge

It will be all smiles soon

 

[Ibiza 130 tdi]

Hi Ash

We'll sort it don't worry

It is quite funny how you have acknowledged its my fault yet some still get the boot in!

Just don't like mugs jumping on threads with 0% knowledge

It will be all smiles soon

I have no doubt you will! And as I've said and you've recognised, it's not your fault, but I'd also like to point out it's not mine either as some people seem to be giving me grief too! I have done and am continuing to do exactly what Will says.

I just want the power and the reliability back! Im not saying "I want these figures or else" but the other hybrid diesels on here, such as Sooty22 and T.Spark when he was a member are getting 380ft/lb.

I'm not sure if that is linked to my mental turbo or not! Like I say and keep saying, it's going in on Friday for Will to sort. And he WILL sort it.

End of people - now calm down!

 

[jonjay]

Given this some more thought - could be the map sensor which controls the boost being faulty? N75, Map sensor or MAF is were my money is on.

I dont think its a split hose now hehe.

 

[Damoegan]

My money is on MAF of MAP sensor...

 

[strugers1]

how much are new map sensors??i put a new maf on aroun 1k miles ago!!
i might put a new one on just to put one on lol