E-05 Rolling Road Figures, and Graph

[Wilko]

Hi andy
I tink I'll have to go to jabba for a dyno run in the next couple of weeks. Mines had some of the mapping done now, and I'm impressed.
It pulls to 7.5K, with very little let up.
Still holding close to 1 bar at 7.5krpm.
Boost spikes are gone, smooth (well ish), and on the basis that i've nearly totaled it a couple of time in the last 48 hours, it's enough power for me.

Good to see other people making good numbers out of the K03s though.

 

[ANDY BLUNT]

Ice doesn't help mind 2wd ohh s**t.If i want to get the best out of my car what do you suggest i do and in what order,If i could get simular power to the boys i would be happy for now.:devil: Was thinking along the lines of high flow front pipe and cat milltek golf?,forge golf fmic(if it fits),samco tip and different injectors?.Do you know what injectors are standard on my car,ie flow rating etc. Andy.

 

[CustardCupra]

great results guys , i'm really pleased for you.
EO5 can only get better , so the original figure me and madmile had in mind is there (250-260 bhp)

 

[Madmile]

Good results and news for all concerned really. Sorting out a decent downpipe for the E05 looks like a must. And also looks like the downpipe was more than likely the Key element holding the E05 back on the Ibizas. I dont think anymore than 250bhp will come from E05 but i would hope it could replicate Mikes coolest run bhp/torque wise.

Also notice the boys aint posted on here yet, hope they drove home safely, and aint in a prison cell waithing for the Magistrates court to open Mon morning. It was my heavy right foot my Lord.

 

[Shock_Xe]

Ello, made it home without being pulled by the fuz May get a ticket tho ! hope not

Where to start..... All runs where done in 5th to keep temps down and increase load.

Figures my 'High' was 249.3bhp @4949rpm and 371.8nm (270ish lbs i think) torque did go higher on another but he tweaked it and brought it done for whatever reason. However he did say it was a Very COLD run....

Also Got 246bhp & 368nm and this was pretty coolish.

And a warm run which he would consider as the most reliable power figure and sustain this level was 240.5bhp and 361.4nm

this is around 220ish bhp @ wheels

Running at 1.45bar boost, optimax (1.5bar retared timing so it was cut back)

Boost controller is Awesome very nice and car pulls like a train to red line. Its still at 1bar @ 6krpm

4bar fpr was installed have s3 pump on way if things go well.

Injectors where at 90% duty (305cc) cycle and he said thats as far as he would push them!

Temps peaked at 45 degrees on a hot consecuative run and averaged 35 degrees on normal runs so fmic done its job. Mike said the fmic was efficient and no seeable problems/boost loss etc with it.

Adam had similar figures of a steady 240bhp. Wasnt as eager as mine but still got there on power and torque so nice to .

All in all a good day, had a little prob with the cable on boost controller but was fixed and also had an error due to too much torque being requested at 5200-6000rpm which meant ecu restricting boost. Happened to adams too so Mike Tweaked the map and sorted it, it meant we lost 2/3bhp after 5200rpm but no real biggy as peak is befer here anyway.

Thoughts on the Car......... WOW. Amazing, wheel spins through 1st & second & going into third every time, much nicer drive than the k03 as boost goes on longer but it does mean u push car harder.

Alot quicker as a WRK found out, Puled along side me gave him the signal to race both shot off and from 80mph+ i just pulled away, had a wave and nod of respect and that was that.

Cant say enough for jabba, Mike was great and knows his stuff!

will post scan of dyno when i get scanner hooked up,

 

[Madmile]

Good figures Mike.

For easy reference my results were 4th gear pwr run 233bhp 247lbs ft at 1.3 bar. On stock dp, cat and stock ic.

 

[Shock_Xe]

Originally posted by Madmile
Good figures Mike.

For easy reference my results were 4th gear pwr run 233bhp 247lbs ft at 1.3 bar. On stock dp, cat and stock ic.

so you running less boost, should imagine with better cooling you should see the same 1.45bar and maybe even 1.5bar.

I think the DP was a decider and the uprated big bore turbo intake pipe probably helped too. The DP seems to be fine with no problems/leaks as yet and doesnt even change the exhaust note so thats a bonus, Just a pitty it wasnt made like this in the first place!!!!!!

mike said if he done a 4th gear run I may have seen a little more torque. He reached 158mph on a power run according to the printout at 6300rpm. What are you E05 guys getting top end??

Would like to meet up with you guys and compare how they feel, maybe at next show/event???

one thing to note tho he said 250bhp was at limit of injectors so if you hoping for more you would have to upgrade to the next size (380cc i think)

 

[Madmile]

On my private test track i have seen 159mph. I think with better cooling i could run another couple of psi and with the bigger dp relieving the back pressure bhp should rise from my 233bhp by maybe a consistent 10-15bhp.

 

[Shock_Xe]

@ what rpm was that?? I take it that was speedo indicated as they aint te most accurate

 

[Madmile]

On the speedo, revs not sure, didn't want to look to be honest.

 

[Shock_Xe]

Originally posted by Madmile
On the speedo, revs not sure, didn't want to look to be honest.

can believe that, at 150+ you dont wanna take your eyes off the road!!!!

I had 158mph on the rolling road sheet at 6333rpm so should imagine 160mph is possible but obviously there is no drag/wind on the rollers so maybe 150 should be seeable. My speedo went off the clock as it is a bit out but I assume the RR is accurate

 

[Glenn]

Good effort Mike, shows that applying the theory re: boost drop across I/C and reduction of backpressure translates into real-world results.

Be interested to see intake temp logs with your new set-up on the road - expect them to be lower than on RR and should give a good indication of what to expect with IHI conversions using single pass GRS. If the Ibiza stays post-house-move, I'll be pestering you for some 2.5" I/C pipe work.

I personally would want a maximum of 80% duty cycle on the injectors - I'm a big fan of safety margins!

 

[Shock_Xe]

Originally posted by Glenn
Good effort Mike, shows that applying the theory re: boost drop across I/C and reduction of backpressure translates into real-world results.

Be interested to see intake temp logs with your new set-up on the road - expect them to be lower than on RR and should give a good indication of what to expect with IHI conversions using single pass GRS. If the Ibiza stays post-house-move, I'll be pestering you for some 2.5" I/C pipe work.

I personally would want a maximum of 80% duty cycle on the injectors - I'm a big fan of safety margins!

Thanks for the god words, yep i think the FMIC single pass went along way.

a peak of 45degrees in a enclosed (doors closed) rolling road with air temps of 19 degrees on the hottest run shows that the fmic is doing well. he said it generalised around 35 degrees

Will do some logs soon and get them posted.

I wanted the new injectors and if he had some there I would of bought them but he only had big 480cc injectors. Its no point me getting them now as it would feck up the map. Hopefully the S3 pump will help tho

Me and adam and seriously looking at the single pass fmoic as a kit and we have seen suitable ones whith slighlty bigger and more efficient cores but stay within the set paremtewrs size wise so hopefully would lower temps again. Plus im going to get a bulk production of pipework if all goes to plan

Im going to be looking at C02 spray over the next month or so and hopefully that will help also

edit: Adam has a comparison of the 2 runs and will post asap, He only got it with my 240run tho will post up the others soon. The 249.5bhp is not sustained like the others but the 246 looks good.

edit again:, Whats Rule power?

 

[BenS1]

Originally posted by Shock_Xe
Im going to be looking at C02 spray over the next month or so and hopefully that will help also

Yeah I've looked into that too. N-tercooler (Nitrous or CO2 intercooelr spray) and CryO2 are the most well known kits. Note that the gas doesn't last lon though, only a few minutes.

I've got a full intercooler water spray kit too.

Cheers
Ben

 

[Madmile]

Corrected figure is the real road corrected results. More or less what the car does on the road.

 

[Shock_Xe]

Originally posted by Madmile
Corrected figure is the real road corrected results. More or less what the car does on the road.

cool so that means the car is more 260bhp

 

[Madmile]

What were your final power and torque results Mike. Consistent runs without hitting torque request problems, me and custardcupra had the same probs so the cars were brought back on power to me 233bhp and him 236bhp.

 

[CustardCupra]

236 bhp & 258lbft was my last run of the day with 45 degree inlet temps seen (6th consecutive run ) 5th gear .Air temp 21degrees.

Mike said mine made 234 bhp straight out of the box without tweeking so imagine my dissapointment when 4hrs later it came back with an extra 2bhp but as said earlier 236 bhp was its sustained figure .

DP IS a contributing factor and will be addressed, but i honestly think kkko3s & EO5 are a very similar package,
only difference is eo5 will probably hold on further up the revs and hopefully make a couple of extra horses and torque....Time will tell.

Mine saw 238.3km/h @6085rpm on RR but mike backed it off at this point.

Used to see 155mph with my AMD chipped kkko3,so would expect it to go off the clock

 

[Shock_Xe]

Originally posted by CustardCupra
236 bhp & 258lbft was my last run of the day with 45 degree inlet temps seen (6th consecutive run ) 5th gear .Air temp 21degrees.

Mike said mine made 234 bhp straight out of the box without tweeking so imagine my dissapointment when 4hrs later it came back with an extra 2bhp but as said earlier 236 bhp was its sustained figure .

DP IS a contributing factor and will be addressed, but i honestly think kkko3s & EO5 are a very similar package,
only difference is eo5 will probably hold on further up the revs and hopefully make a couple of extra horses and torque....Time will tell.

Mine saw 238.3km/h @6085rpm on RR but mike backed it off at this point.

Used to see 155mph with my AMD chipped kkko3,so would expect it to go off the clock

I got 251kph at 6333rpm and then he let off throttle.

all power runs got 260-275lbs torque obviously the higher on collest runs. And 240bhp on warmer runs and 246/249bhp on the cooler ones.

Max temp 45deg on consecuative run and 35 on the early ones air temp 19deg

He used your E05 program for our cars and then tweaked it to suit. The DP obviously made a big difference otherwise i would of expected similar figures to you guys.

 

[Madmile]

Revo's Eo5 Bhp map. http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=321223

Revo's E05 torque map. http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=321227


Lower figures are low boost, higher are high boost on both bhp and torque.