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ChrisGTL - MK1 LCR 225 - Going from APR to REVO
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Now running REVO.
Initial thought are;
REVO has more grunt lower down than the APR
REVO tails off quicker at high RPM than the REVO
REVO seems to return higher MPG (but still early days to say for certain)
I was worried about the tyres wanting to spin up with the REVO, but theres very little difference between the APR and REVO from what i've seen so far. Yes the tyres do want to spin up but its easily controlled by introducing the power instead of just planting it.
Ran some logs last night of the REVO and my MAF figures are very similar, boost figures are higher around the 3k-3.5k region and i've gone from having high 6 CF's on the APR to 0.8/2 CF's on the REVO.
So ov course I added 3.0 degrees of timing and re-logged, now getting 5.3CF's and a couple 6CF's dotted around.
Car is feeling quicker everytime I go for a drive so I'm presuming it needs to adjust itself to suit.
Very happy indeed, was a tough choice to swap to REVO as the APR was so driveable in a 2WD car, I've certainly not lost any power with the REVO it just feels more eager to go using lower RPM.
Maybe all the powerflex bushes I changed to made the difference in terms of grip as i'm only using Falken 452's on the front.
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MAP Actuals
MAF Actuals
Initial thought are;
REVO has more grunt lower down than the APR
REVO tails off quicker at high RPM than the REVO
REVO seems to return higher MPG (but still early days to say for certain)
I was worried about the tyres wanting to spin up with the REVO, but theres very little difference between the APR and REVO from what i've seen so far. Yes the tyres do want to spin up but its easily controlled by introducing the power instead of just planting it.
Ran some logs last night of the REVO and my MAF figures are very similar, boost figures are higher around the 3k-3.5k region and i've gone from having high 6 CF's on the APR to 0.8/2 CF's on the REVO.
So ov course I added 3.0 degrees of timing and re-logged, now getting 5.3CF's and a couple 6CF's dotted around.
Car is feeling quicker everytime I go for a drive so I'm presuming it needs to adjust itself to suit.
Very happy indeed, was a tough choice to swap to REVO as the APR was so driveable in a 2WD car, I've certainly not lost any power with the REVO it just feels more eager to go using lower RPM.
Maybe all the powerflex bushes I changed to made the difference in terms of grip as i'm only using Falken 452's on the front.
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MAP Actuals
Code:
MAP mbar
RPM APR1 REVO
2000
2160
2360
2680
3000
3320
3640 2350 2510
3920 2370 2460
4200 2370 2390
4480 2370 2320
4760 2300 2290
5080 2240 2250
5360 2240 2220
5600 2210 2200
5840 2180 2210
6040 2120 2170
6240 2130 2110
6440 2130 2150
6600 2070 2080
6760 2000 2060
6880 2020 2080
7000 2070 1990
7120 2060 2050
7200 1970 1990MAF Actuals
Code:
MAF g/s
RPM APR1 REVO
2000
2120
2320
2520
2720
3000 116 119.31
3280 134.08 138.97
3600 151.75 137.67
3840 153.72 145.44
4120 159.83 149.64
4400 164.14 154.39
4600 168.97 159.25
4840 176.86 165.06
5040 184.69 168.75
5240 188.25 179
5440 193.92 185.47
5600 197.03 190.03
5720 194.94 188.47
5800 198.39 193.08
5960 195.58 190.31
6040 196.53 190.92
6120 197.81 193.08
6240 202.56 195.58
6320 202.33 196.53
6400 196.83 196.22
6520 200.94 195.72
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Hi chris could you amend the last post to show which holds boost better at the red line please.
Have a look here: http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2603869#post2603869 get a lot of scratches out I thought were not possible with the non matalic. Seems to be softer generally...
Have done! I shall relog in a couple days as I think the car is adapting and getting quicker.
Cheers Maz. Thats alot of products used though, but does look very good after you rubbed your special juices into the paintwork.
Those scratches around the door handle are exactly the same as mine, looks gash! Looks a different car afterwards.
Rikkileeball
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Nice car mate best colour as well same as mine
Black beauty!! Cheers for the approval
UPDATE:
EBC Ultimax discs and Ferodo DS2500's now on the car. Had the 2500's on my previous TDI and boy have I missed them or what!! Just about bedded in now but god they feel sharp!
Lovely jubbly!
Alright Chris, glad to see you went for the brake upgrade in the end! bet you are loving the difference, feels so much safer driving quickly with em doesnt it!
What did you make on the rollers? I presume the new sig pic was taken after your revo reflash?
What did you make on the rollers? I presume the new sig pic was taken after your revo reflash?
Car is running sound as a pound mate, its had some money spend on it over the last couple months. Cambelt kit, oil, filter, plugs, MAF.......temp sender, two new coilpacks on standby.
REVO or APR? Hmm, hard one to answer. I like them both, I'd say REVO for crazyness and APR for smooth progressive power.
REVO is looking good now I've managed to drive it on half decent temp tarmac, REVO was so smooth low down so it was alot eaiser to drive in tricky conditions.
Any difference with new MAF? Yes, slight difference in that when I'm sat at 20-30mph on an incline and I want to accelerate slightly I find that the engine is alot quicker to deliver the torque when I press down on pedal slightly.
I've run some logs with the new MAF and got 206g/s but I need better run, my redline run was straight after lots of slow driving and not sure if the intercooler got enough cold air before the log.
I shall relog and post when I get chance.
Toyo cooler is great! Turbo is very appreciative of it.
Thanks 
1st log after new MAF and REVO Linear map.
Code:
RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization
TIME
/min % ms g/s STAMP CF CF CF CF
2160 75.2 6.46 33 809.4 0 0 0 0
2840 60.9 4.42 22.25 810.3 0 0 0 0
1960 92.5 8.84 37.53 811.21 0 0 0 0
2360 109.8 9.18 53.61 812.01 0 0 0 0
2920 127.8 11.9 71.81 812.82 0 0 0 0
2840 19.5 2.38 10.22 813.62 0 0 0 0
2200 86.5 7.82 40.58 814.42 0 0 0 0
2440 112 10.54 56.08 815.24 0 0 0 0
2760 142.1 13.6 83.75 816.14 0 3 1.5 0
3160 191.7 21.42 137.22 816.94 0 3 1.5 0
3800 191.7 22.78 164.83 817.85 3 3 0.8 3
4360 191.7 21.42 171.61 818.76 3 3.8 0.8 3
4880 191.7 21.08 185 819.56 2.3 3.8 0.8 3
5320 191.7 20.4 199.44 820.46 0.8 3.8 0 1.5
5800 188 20.74 205.97 821.37 0 3 0.8 0.8
6200 168.4 18.02 212.25 822.17 0 2.3 0 0.8
6520 175.9 17 213.97 822.98 0 2.3 0 0.8214g/s and nice low timing pull, looks good Chris
Now then Damo - how is you? I've just ordered a SPS3 so I can get funky with the angles some more.
I reckon I can advance a notch yet.
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