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Is this the same rollers that Hurdy goes to
This is from Statllers own Dyno, the one's who are doing the hybrid.
Hurdy used to go on a different dyno.
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Saturday 26 June 2010 13:02:25
1P0 907 115 C 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0020
Group A: '003 Group B: '020 Group C: '004
Engine Speed Intake Air Mass Throttle Drive Ignition Cylinder 1 Ignition Cylinder 2 Ignition Cylinder 3 Ignition Cylinder 4 Ignition Engine Speed Voltage Supply Coolant Intake Air
TIME Angle Sensor 1 Timing Angle TIME Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay TIME Temperature Temperature
Marker STAMP /min g/s % °ATDC STAMP °KW °KW °KW °KW STAMP /min V °C °C
0.02 720 2.81 2 -3 0.06 0 0 0 0 0.21 760 14.194 81 29
0.34 720 2.47 1.6 -3.8 0.46 0 0 0 0 0.59 720 14.1 81 29
35.56 2760 15 7.5 -4.5 35.7 0 0 0 0 35.44 2920 14.194 83 21
35.96 2640 23.89 17.3 17.3 36.09 0 0 0 0 35.84 2680 14.1 83 21
36.35 2720 47.86 25.9 23.3 36.48 0 0 0 0 36.23 2680 14.194 83 21
36.75 2840 57.22 25.1 23.3 36.9 0 0 0 0 36.6 2800 14.1 83 22
37.13 2960 46.03 20.4 24 37.28 0 0 0 0 37.03 2920 14.194 83 22
37.52 3080 42.11 18.4 25.5 37.65 0 0 0 0 37.4 3040 14.1 83 22
37.91 3120 19.17 12.9 35.3 38.06 0 0 0 0 37.79 3120 14.194 83 22
38.32 3160 22.03 14.1 36 38.44 0 0 0 0 38.18 3160 14.1 83 21
44.93 3200 10.75 7.8 24 45.06 0 0 0 0 45.2 3200 14.194 84 23
45.32 3240 21.17 17.6 0 45.45 0 0 0 0 45.58 3280 14.1 84 23
45.74 3320 73.81 67.1 18 45.86 0 0 0 0 45.97 3440 14.006 84 23
46.1 3560 146.17 99.6 7.5 46.23 0 0 0 -3 46.35 3800 14.1 84 24
46.49 3920 191.92 99.6 9.8 46.6 -6 -3 -3 -3 46.76 4160 14.1 84 24
46.9 4280 206.22 99.6 7.5 47.01 -6 -6 -6 -6 47.14 4480 14.006 84 24
47.28 4680 219.56 99.6 6.8 47.41 -5.3 -6.8 -5.3 -6 47.53 4840 14.1 84 24
47.65 4960 224.53 99.6 7.5 47.79 -5.3 -6.8 -5.3 -6 47.97 5160 14.1 84 24
48.1 5320 238.56 99.6 10.5 48.23 -8.3 -6.8 -5.3 -6 48.37 5520 14.1 84 24
48.49 5640 249.53 99.6 9.8 48.61 -8.3 -6.8 -5.3 -6 48.75 5800 13.912 84 24
48.9 5960 257.19 99.6 3 49.04 -8.3 -6.8 -5.3 -6 49.16 6080 13.912 84 24
49.29 6200 264.81 99.6 3.8 49.41 -8.3 -6.8 -5.3 -6 49.53 6320 14.1 84 24
49.66 6360 263.14 99.6 12.8 49.79 -7.5 -6 -4.5 -5.3 49.93 6560 13.912 84 24
50.06 6640 264.14 99.6 10.5 50.17 -9 -6 -4.5 -5.3 50.3 6800 13.912 84 25
50.44 6880 264.83 99.6 11.3 50.57 -9 -6 -4.5 -5.3 50.7 5960 14.006 84 25
50.82 4920 170.69 98.8 13.5 50.97 -9 -6 -4.5 -8.3 51.08 5200 14.006 84 25
51.19 5280 246.86 99.6 12 51.33 -8.3 -5.3 -3.8 -8.3 51.48 5400 14.006 84 26
51.6 5440 254.03 99.6 7.5 51.72 -8.3 -5.3 -6.8 -8.3 51.85 5520 14.006 84 27
51.98 5600 258.31 99.6 8.3 52.11 -8.3 -5.3 -6.8 -8.3 52.24 5680 14.1 84 27
52.36 5720 257.92 99.6 11.3 52.5 -7.5 -4.5 -6 -7.5 52.63 5840 14.006 84 27
52.76 5880 263.5 99.6 12.8 52.88 -7.5 -4.5 -6 -7.5 53 6000 13.912 84 28
53.13 6040 262.22 99.6 12 53.26 -7.5 -4.5 -5.3 -7.5 53.38 6120 14.1 84 28
53.52 6160 267.58 99.6 11.3 53.65 -6.8 -3.8 -5.3 -6.8 53.77 6240 13.912 84 28
53.9 6280 266.94 99.6 12 54.05 -6.8 -3.8 -5.3 -6.8 54.17 6400 13.912 84 29
54.29 6440 271.11 99.6 12.8 54.43 -6 -3 -4.5 -6 54.58 6480 14.006 84 29
54.7 6520 270.56 99.6 13.5 54.83 -6 -3 -4.5 -6 54.95 6600 13.912 84 30
55.09 6680 268.33 99.6 13.5 55.22 -6 -3 -4.5 -6 55.34 6720 14.006 84 30
55.47 6760 268.81 99.6 14.3 55.6 -5.3 -2.3 -3.8 -5.3 55.74 6800 14.006 84 30
55.86 6840 263.86 99.6 14.3 55.98 -5.3 -5.3 -3.8 -5.3 56.13 6120 14.1 84 30
56.25 5320 185.92 97.6 14.3 56.37 -4.5 -5.3 -3 -4.5 56.5 5400 14.1 84 30
56.64 5440 246.11 99.6 8.3 56.76 -7.5 -5.3 -3 -4.5 56.89 5400 14.006 84 31
57.01 5400 49 8.6 33 57.15 0 0 0 0 57.29 5360 14.006 84 28
57.42 5200 24.89 11.4 4.5 57.54 0 0 0 0 57.69 5080 14.006 84 27
81.5 2960 122.92 99.6 7.5 81.24 0 0 0 0 81.37 2840 14.194 83 27
81.88 3280 166.36 99.6 9 81.63 0 0 0 0 81.76 3160 14.1 83 27
82.26 3680 176.08 99.6 8.3 82.02 0 0 0 0 82.15 3560 14.1 83 27
82.66 4040 187.36 99.6 11.3 82.4 0 0 -2.3 -4.5 82.53 3920 14.006 83 27
83.04 4360 201.03 99.6 7.5 82.79 -3 -6 -2.3 -4.5 82.91 4240 14.006 83 27
83.42 4640 207.97 99.6 10.5 83.18 -3 -6 -2.3 -4.5 83.3 4600 14.1 83 27
83.78 5000 224.67 99.6 11.3 83.52 -3 -6 -2.3 -4.5 83.65 4840 13.912 83 27
84.17 5240 231.03 99.6 12 83.91 -3 -6 -2.3 -4.5 84.03 5160 14.1 83 27
84.56 5560 245.75 99.6 12 84.3 -2.3 -5.3 -4.5 -3.8 84.43 5520 14.006 83 27
84.95 5880 255.75 99.6 12 84.7 -2.3 -5.3 -4.5 -3.8 84.83 5760 13.912 83 27
85.34 6120 262.03 99.6 14.3 85.07 -5.3 -5.3 -4.5 -3.8 85.22 6040 14.006 83 27
85.74 6360 263.86 99.6 15.8 85.47 -5.3 -5.3 -4.5 -3.8 85.59 6320 14.1 83 27
86.12 6600 261.44 99.6 14.3 85.86 -5.3 -5.3 -3.8 -3 86 6600 14.006 83 27
86.51 6760 260.72 32.2 7.5 86.26 -5.3 -5.3 -3.8 -3 86.39 6800 14.006 83 27
86.9 5800 22.06 11.8 8.3 86.64 0 0 0 0 86.78 6040 14.194 83 27
87.28 5120 19.06 12.2 4.5 87.02 0 0 0 0 87.13 5400 14.1 83 25
87.65 4560 16.69 11.4 0.8 87.4 0 0 0 0 87.52 4760 14.194 83 24
88.04 4400 16.06 11 0 87.79 0 0 0 0 87.92 4360 14.1 83 24
88.43 4240 16.25 11 -0.8 88.16 0 0 0 0 88.31 4280 14.1 83 24
88.85 4040 15.83 10.6 -2.3 88.55 0 0 0 0 88.69 4120 14.194 83 24
89.22 3880 14.64 10.2 -2.3 88.97 0 0 0 0 89.1 3920 14.194 83 24
89.61 3720 13 9.4 -3 89.37 0 0 0 0 89.49 3760 14.194 83 24
90.02 3520 12.89 9 -3 89.74 0 0 0 0 89.88 3600 14.1 83 24
90.41 3360 12.03 8.6 -3.8 90.14 0 0 0 0 90.27 3400 14.1 83 24
90.79 3200 11.5 8.2 -3.8 90.53 0 0 0 0 90.67 3240 14.1 83 24
91.17 3040 10.69 7.8 -3.8 90.93 0 0 0 0 91.06 3080 14.1 83 24
91.54 2920 10.61 7.5 -4.5 91.3 0 0 0 0 91.41 2960 14.1 83 24
91.91 2840 10.11 7.5 -4.5 91.66 0 0 0 0 91.78 2880 14.1 83 24
92.3 2760 9.92 7.1 -4.5 92.05 0 0 0 0 92.18 2760 14.194 83 24
92.69 2680 9.25 6.7 -4.5 92.43 0 0 0 0 92.57 2720 14.194 83 24
93.08 2640 9.17 6.7 -4.5 92.82 0 0 0 0 92.94 2640 14.194 84 24
93.46 2560 9.31 6.7 -4.5 93.21 0 0 0 0 93.34 2600 14.194 84 25
93.83 2560 9.22 6.3 -4.5 93.59 0 0 0 0 93.7 2560 14.194 84 25
94.22 2520 8.86 6.3 -4.5 93.95 0 0 0 0 94.09 2520 14.194 84 25
94.59 2480 8.14 5.9 -4.5 94.32 0 0 0 0 94.45 2480 14.194 84 25
94.95 2440 8.31 5.9 -4.5 94.72 0 0 0 0 94.84 2440 14.194 84 25
95.34 2400 8.19 5.9 -4.5 95.09 0 0 0 0 95.22 2440 14.194 84 25
95.73 2400 7.97 5.9 -4.5 95.47 0 0 0 0 95.61 2400 14.194 84 25
96.11 2360 8.06 5.5 -4.5 95.85 0 0 0 0 95.96 2360 14.194 84 25
96.48 2360 11.86 8.6 36 96.23 0 0 0 0 96.35 2400 14.1 84 25
126.23 2560 34.19 16.9 24 125.97 0 0 0 0 126.09 2400 14.194 84 27
126.6 2520 15.94 6.3 -6.8 126.35 0 0 0 0 126.48 2600 14.194 84 27
213.68 5520 239.86 99.6 9 213.81 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 213.57 5360 13.912 81 27
214.08 5720 250.97 99.6 9.8 214.2 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 213.93 5640 13.912 81 27
214.45 6000 253.03 99.6 10.5 214.63 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 214.32 5920 13.818 81 27
214.88 6320 263.69 99.6 10.5 214.99 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 214.76 6160 13.912 81 28
215.24 6520 263 99.6 9.8 215.37 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 215.12 6400 13.724 81 28
215.64 6720 266.72 99.6 10.5 215.76 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 215.49 6600 13.912 81 28
216.01 5880 194.47 99.6 13.5 216.14 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 215.88 6240 13.818 81 29
216.4 5120 239.06 99.6 8.3 216.52 -4.5 -6.8 -4.5 -5.3 216.27 5080 13.724 81 29
216.79 5320 249.19 99.6 8.3 216.91 -3.8 -6 -3.8 -5.3 216.67 5240 13.912 81 30
217.18 5440 256.31 99.6 8.3 217.3 -3.8 -6 -3.8 -4.5 217.04 5400 13.818 81 30
217.55 5560 255.69 99.6 9.8 217.7 -3.8 -6 -3.8 -4.5 217.43 5480 13.912 81 30
217.96 5720 259.61 99.6 9.8 218.08 -3 -6 -3 -4.5 217.82 5680 14.006 81 30
218.36 5320 39.22 6.7 6 218.49 0 0 0 0 218.23 5480 13.912 81 31
218.76 4680 20 10.2 1.5 218.88 0 0 0 0 218.61 4920 14.1 81 30
219.13 4160 17.22 10.2 -0.8 219.23 0 0 0 0 219 4320 14.006 81 27
219.5 3560 13.06 9.4 -3 219.62 0 0 0 0 219.38 3800 14.1 81 27
219.89 3600 12.36 9 -3 220.01 0 0 0 0 219.75 3600 14.1 81 27
220.27 3600 13.36 9 -3 220.41 0 0 0 0 220.14 3600 14.1 81 27
220.66 3560 13.56 9 -3 220.79 0 0 0 0 220.54 3560 14.1 81 27
221.05 3520 12.83 9 -3 221.18 0 0 0 0 220.92 3560 14.1 81 27
221.44 3520 12.61 9 -3 221.57 0 0 0 0 221.29 3520 14.194 81 27
221.82 3480 12.64 9 -3.8 221.95 0 0 0 0 221.69 3480 14.1 81 27
222.21 3480 12.86 9 -3.8 222.33 0 0 0 0 222.08 3480 14.1 81 27
222.59 3440 12.47 8.6 -3.8 222.72 0 0 0 0 222.46 3440 14.1 81 27
222.98 3400 12.78 8.6 -3.8 223.11 0 0 0 0 222.84 3400 14.1 81 27
223.36 3360 11.64 8.6 -3.8 223.49 0 0 0 0 223.23 3400 14.1 81 27
223.75 3360 11.69 8.6 -3.8 223.87 0 0 0 0 223.61 3360 14.1 81 27
224.14 3320 11.64 8.6 -3.8 224.26 0 0 0 0 224.01 3320 14.1 81 27
224.61 3280 11.81 8.6 -3.8 224.73 0 0 0 0 224.39 3280 14.1 81 27
224.98 3200 11.64 8.2 -3.8 225.11 0 0 0 0 224.86 3240 14.1 81 27
225.37 3200 10.83 8.2 -3 225.49 0 0 0 0 225.25 3200 14.1 81 27
225.74 3160 11.58 8.2 -3.8 225.87 0 0 0 0 225.62 3160 14.006 81 27
226.14 3120 10.89 8.2 -3.8 226.26 0 0 0 0 225.99 3120 14.194 81 27
226.51 3080 11.11 7.8 -3.8 226.65 0 0 0 0 226.38 3120 14.1 81 27
226.89 3080 10.97 7.8 -3.8 227 0 0 0 0 226.77 3080 14.194 81 27
227.26 3040 11.19 7.8 -3.8 227.38 0 0 0 0 227.11 3040 14.1 81 27
227.63 3040 10.69 7.8 -3.8 227.77 0 0 0 0 227.5 3040 14.1 81 27
228.02 3000 10.78 7.8 -3 228.14 0 0 0 0 227.89 3000 14.1 81 27
228.41 3000 10.75 7.8 -3.8 228.53 0 0 0 0 228.29 3000 14.1 81 27
228.8 2960 10.36 7.5 -4.5 228.92 0 0 0 0 228.66 2960 14.1 81 27
229.18 2920 10.31 7.5 -4.5 229.31 0 0 0 0 229.04 2920 14.1 81 27
229.57 2920 10.5 7.5 -4.5 229.69 0 0 0 0 229.43 2920 14.1 81 27
229.96 2880 10.11 7.5 -4.5 230.08 0 0 0 0 229.83 2880 14.1 81 27This was a relatively good run. We saw up to -12 on other runs. Will need to check back and find them.
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I don't see why it shouldn't be acheivable. I suppose it would all be down also to which Dyno ran it and if you beleive the figures from that particular dyno. What would be good is if these could be ran at the same time as stg2+ on a RR day.
Not sure of the exact spec's of what has been done to these two turbo's. But on a strong car I think it could be done. Blade's car appears to be one of the good one's and I am told get very little timing pull hence settings can be optimised to get good results and still be way way safer than the log's Al has posted up.
Al, was the fuelling ever logged? Wonder how lean the GIAC code ran?
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Its definately achieveable. the tunner I wasat yesterday has done an ed30 with a hybrid KO4 to around 420bhp, and a mk6 gti with an oem ko4 upgrade to over 400. He said himself though, when you get to stage 2+ or stage 3 as they offer it on the tfsi, everything else becomes very expensive in relation to the potential gains. He said it could be done for under 2k, but again as al said thats probably assuming that everything you already have is suitable in good enough condition
Yeah that was the other "fastest" one. The air flow was very close to that of the EVOMS. Fuelling was good as memory serves.
When logged back to back with mine, it was interesting to note that the timing pull on mine was minimal even though it never had the forge twintercooler the other car did (both cars had a/c core removed and S3 intercoolers fitted).
With regard to giving results, the car the log above was from sure did that. It was quicker up to speed on the 1/4 mile probably down to WOT box and better tyres along with a very keen driver getting better seeing amazing 60 foot times, but at speed, the Revo car was still 3-4 mph faster with advanced settings which were "safe".
Normal road settings on Revo S2+ made the car the "same" as the GIAC Extreme, but advance the settings on Revo S2+, and it was quicker.
When logged back to back with mine, it was interesting to note that the timing pull on mine was minimal even though it never had the forge twintercooler the other car did (both cars had a/c core removed and S3 intercoolers fitted).
With regard to giving results, the car the log above was from sure did that. It was quicker up to speed on the 1/4 mile probably down to WOT box and better tyres along with a very keen driver getting better seeing amazing 60 foot times, but at speed, the Revo car was still 3-4 mph faster with advanced settings which were "safe".
Normal road settings on Revo S2+ made the car the "same" as the GIAC Extreme, but advance the settings on Revo S2+, and it was quicker.
By the way, for what its worth, I know of at least 5 or 6 failures on S2+ cars now ranging from Cylinder Head Gasket failures to Piston/Piston Ring problems which have scored the engine to the point that its BER.
At least 2 of these cars have had complete new engines (A Cupra and an S3).
At least 2 of these cars have had complete new engines (A Cupra and an S3).
Al, have you any similar log's of your's that you could post up or send to me to have a look over please?
whats causing these failures al, just too much stress on the engine from stage 2+?
beat me to it there
beat me to it there
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is a mainstream K04 upgrade package likely to become available any time soon from a large and reputable tuning firm? also does this stage 2.5 on revo software have specific mapping or is just tinkering with the SPS module?
I will need to look back at logs when I get a chance. I have loads of them from loads of different cars from a Ford Galaxy (yes really) to big Audi's and VW Van's as well as no end of cars.
Not going to give Specific details although I think one came public, and it happened to also have NOS. If the others want to talk about their failures, that would be their call. One thing I do know is that its not code specific, and the other thing I know is that all affected cars had been driven hard.
Hence why my new car is totally standard and I have no proper drive/desire/need/motion to upgrade anything even though I have everything I would need to do it - 261bhp and 230ftlb from a totally boggo standard MY11 Cupra is not bad though
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Still comparatively very slow mind.
Not going to give Specific details although I think one came public, and it happened to also have NOS. If the others want to talk about their failures, that would be their call. One thing I do know is that its not code specific, and the other thing I know is that all affected cars had been driven hard.
Hence why my new car is totally standard and I have no proper drive/desire/need/motion to upgrade anything even though I have everything I would need to do it - 261bhp and 230ftlb from a totally boggo standard MY11 Cupra is not bad though
. Still comparatively very slow mind.
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will you need a new engine if the seal goes on the hpfp? got mine installed yesterday, way to scare the s"*t out of me there
Thats the reason I would only buy an APR one moving forward. When you upgrade the internals, you still use factory seals. What can happen is the seals on the fuel pump fail, and petrol is dumped straight in to your oil, thinning it out and causing lots of damage through reduced lubrication.
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The giac Leon cooling was sufficient wasn't it I can't remember what it was running but knowin the owner and you al I'm sure it was top notch. The way I understand it fuelling is a issue on stage two cars pushed to the limit.
I'm glad I got rid of mine when I did, never ending bullshit from that car at one point and tbh the tuning solutions for stage 2 plus cars at the time never seemed quite complete.
I'm confident I won't have those same niggling issues with the rs, but when stuff like this comes about it always brings my mind back to Germans tuners and discussions with them and how they won't take the 2.0tfsi k04 past 340hp due to reliability and longevity.
These latest hybrid developments do seem to be taking a serious look at the fuelling side of things.
I'm glad I got rid of mine when I did, never ending bullshit from that car at one point and tbh the tuning solutions for stage 2 plus cars at the time never seemed quite complete.
I'm confident I won't have those same niggling issues with the rs, but when stuff like this comes about it always brings my mind back to Germans tuners and discussions with them and how they won't take the 2.0tfsi k04 past 340hp due to reliability and longevity.
These latest hybrid developments do seem to be taking a serious look at the fuelling side of things.
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