no cream injectors here...
http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.ph...=10_44&sort=20a&filter_id=3&alpha_filter_id=0
http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.ph...=10_44&sort=20a&filter_id=3&alpha_filter_id=0
don't forget lcr injectors @ 4 bar will flow 440cc, your injectors may even be less than the stock ones. It could be a simple case of the wrong injector being put in the wrong bag somewhere along the line.
SCN saves the day againwhen you put your faith with a tuner you expect their expertise to supply you with the correct parts... this is dangerous, i wonder how i would have stood if i were never to have done any logs, wound the boost up and tried to claim on their incompetence when things went bad.
Rant over
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Looks that way Carl, they did spot the colour though and thought Genesis may have changed it... hmmm.
Cream are 380cc apparently.
New injectors will be here tomorrow..
Ah, thats a great result, I've spotted air mass readings inexcess of 250g/sec on your detuned settings, can't wait to see what the beast is capable of when running sweet. I hope the time you've wasted trying to sort other peoples problems have been duly noted and hopefully compensated.
Onwards and upwards.
Remember to switch back to 3 bar though when the correct injectors are installed.
Let me know when you get them mate, ill come over Fule rail comes off easy enough but easier with one person to hold it out the way + i wana be in it when the boost is wound up and its easier to log with 2 peeps.
Fule rail comes off easy enough but easier with one person to hold it out the way + i wana be in it when the boost is wound up and its easier to log with 2 peeps.
Damn, I was hoping my 330cc calculation was right.
not bad though mate
could cause???
thanks carl, it is starting to feel pretty quick. I'm looking forward to getting these in and seeing what it will do (break
) I've never once been compensated for any of the problems, extra labour or extra parts I've had to buy. When this is set up and it's running well I will just be happy to know that they don't get any advertising from me, because if it was down to them the car would still be at TotalVAG.
I haven't bothered putti g a 4bar FPR in and as they will be here tomorrow there's no point in trying now.
Let me know when you get them mate, ill come over
nick you're always welcome, if it's dry tomorrow evening, come over.
I'll be having a look at the pump again tomorrow. I need to change that hose, it turns over about 6 times before starting now so the fuel must be draining out of the line???
Cant 2morro mate i have not seen hayley for 2 days so 2morro night is with her. Im not sure its the hose tbh, specially not on to start up, can you hear it prime OK before you start it?
maybe your right, it primes, builds up the pressure, loses the pressure before you turn the key. Also im ready to cut this alli. Let me know when s good for you.
the injectors were delivered to TotalVAG today so i went there after work. we had a look a the pump and it looks fine. as for the injectors... They are black you cant see it in the pic that John posted, Do they have Genesis written on them anywhere??? all we could see was a part number that had the back half scrubbed out (i think it started 0280 like a bosch number) they also had permanent marker on them so it was impossible to tell.
John/Dave did you look at that part of yours? i dont trust them now, especially when i looked at the logs.
All good here..
not so here.... Boost raised and logged once in between these two... this log at about 1.4 bar
i would say i have pressure problems now but i dont trust these injectors (supplier)
you cant see it in the pic that John posted, Do they have Genesis written on them anywhere??? all we could see was a part number that had the back half scrubbed out (i think it started 0280 like a bosch number) they also had permanent marker on them so it was impossible to tell. John/Dave did you look at that part of yours? i dont trust them now, especially when i looked at the logs.
All good here..
Code:
Tuesday 24 November 2009 18:05:19
1ML 906 032 A 1.8l R4/5VT 0001
Group A: '002 Group B: '031
RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Lambda Factor Lambda Factor
TIME TIME
MARKER STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP IDC
58.69 3240 15.8 1.36 10.08 58.27 0.953 0.977 3.672
59.49 3160 38.3 3.06 25.97 59.09 0.984 0.984 8.058
60.29 3280 91 6.46 62.72 59.89 0.914 0.969 17.65733333
61.1 3520 99.2 7.48 72.78 60.7 0.891 0.891 21.94133333
61.9 3680 78.9 5.78 56.22 61.5 0.86 0.938 17.72533333
62.7 3800 55.6 3.74 37.64 62.3 0.961 0.984 11.84333333
63.52 3880 75.9 5.78 64.36 63.12 0.984 0.992 18.68866667
64.32 4000 54.1 3.74 40.19 63.92 0.875 0.984 12.46666667
65.12 4200 115.8 9.52 105.81 64.72 0.899 0.945 33.32
65.94 4640 180.5 17 156.03 65.52 0.867 0.813 65.73333333
66.74 5120 181.2 16.66 174.39 66.34 0.813 0.805 71.08266667
67.54 5640 181.2 17.68 199.06 67.14 0.891 0.789 83.096
68.34 6000 177.4 16.66 202.67 67.94 0.789 0.789 83.3
69.15 6480 177.4 16.32 216.36 68.75 0.789 0.719 88.128
69.95 6200 13.5 1.7 0 69.55 0.805 0.789 8.783333333not so here.... Boost raised and logged once in between these two... this log at about 1.4 bar
Code:
Tuesday 24 November 2009 18:11:43
1ML 906 032 A 1.8l R4/5VT 0001
Group A: '002 Group B: '031
RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Lambda Factor Lambda Factor
TIME TIME
MARKER STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP IDC
30.59 3560 26.3 2.04 17.86 30.99 0.977 1 6.052
31.39 3560 28.6 2.04 19.5 31.8 0.969 1 6.052
32.2 3640 60.2 4.42 44.83 32.6 1 0.984 13.40733333
33 3760 76.7 5.1 59.33 33.4 0.977 0.977 15.98
33.8 4000 124.8 8.84 109.03 34.2 0.977 0.93 29.46666667
34.62 4440 191.7 16.32 182.33 35.02 1.055 0.867 60.384
35.42 5000 191.7 19.38 234.75 35.82 1.086 0.836 80.75
36.22 5640 191.7 19.72 250.64 36.62 0.953 0.836 92.684
37.02 6160 191.7 20.06 256.5 37.43 0.922 0.836 102.9746667
37.83 6640 191.7 19.04 268.44 38.23 0.961 0.836 105.3546667
38.65 6520 12 1.36 12.06 39.05 0.836 0.93 7.389333333
0
84.5 2680 89.5 6.12 51.5 84.9 0.977 0.977 13.668
85.3 2920 93.2 6.8 55.5 85.7 0.93 0.922 16.54666667
86.1 3200 124.1 9.52 79.97 86.51 0.821 0.813 25.38666667
86.91 3600 159.4 13.6 116.89 87.31 0.828 0.805 40.8
87.71 4080 191.7 18.02 168.72 88.11 0.961 0.797 61.268
88.51 4640 191.7 20.4 227.19 88.91 1.086 0.797 78.88
89.33 5320 191.7 21.08 235.97 89.73 0.93 0.711 93.45466667
90.13 5840 191.7 21.76 252.97 90.53 0.899 0.789 105.8986667
90.93 6320 191.7 20.74 261.28 91.33 0.938 0.797 109.2306667
91.73 6280 11.3 1.36 86.36 92.14 0.774 0.899 7.117333333
Code:
Tuesday 24 November 2009 18:14:11
1ML 906 032 A 1.8l R4/5VT 0001
Group A: '003 Group B: '020
RPM Mass Flow Load Ign. Timing Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization
TIME TIME
MARKER STAMP /min g/s % °ATDC STAMP CF CF CF CF
17.41 2880 17.75 11.4 35.3 17.81 0 0 0 0
18.21 2920 18.83 11.8 35.3 18.61 0 0 0 0
19.03 2960 22.97 14.1 35.3 19.43 0 0 0 0
19.83 3040 26.22 15.7 36 20.23 0 0 0 0
20.63 3080 16.39 10.6 36 21.02 0 0 0 0
21.43 3120 22.64 13.7 36.8 21.84 0 0 0 0
22.24 3240 24.83 14.9 36.8 22.64 0 0 0 0
23.04 3360 37.61 20.8 33 23.44 0 0 0 0
23.84 3560 47.44 23.5 35.3 24.24 0 0 0 0
24.66 3800 71.81 30.2 24 25.06 0 0 0 0
25.46 4240 153.75 100 12.8 25.86 0 0 0 0
26.26 4880 215.25 99.6 6.8 26.66 0 0 0 0
27.06 5480 224.75 100 8.3 27.47 0 0 0 0
27.87 6000 244.92 100 10.5 28.27 0 0 0 0
28.67 6480 253.47 100 11.3 29.07 0 0 0 0
29.47 6920 261.36 100 11.3 29.89 0 0 0 0
30.29 5200 5.44 7.8 4.5 30.69 0 0 0 0
58.44 2680 8.28 5.9 0.8 58.84 0 0 0 0
59.24 2640 8.42 5.9 0.8 59.64 0 0 0 0
60.06 2600 9.22 7.8 24 60.46 0 0 0 0
60.86 2680 25.5 15.3 33 61.26 0 0 0 0
61.66 2840 32.39 18.8 33 62.06 0 0 0 0
62.46 3000 42.08 22 33 62.87 0 0 0 0
63.27 3240 59.97 29 27.8 63.67 0 0 0 0
64.07 3560 107.69 98.8 15 64.47 0 0 0 0
64.87 4040 163.28 100 8.3 65.27 0 0 0 0
65.69 4680 206.25 100 6.8 66.09 0 0 0 0
66.49 5240 218.67 100 6 66.89 0 0 0 3
67.29 5760 235.56 100 9.8 67.69 0 0 0 3
68.11 6320 247.94 99.6 8.3 68.51 0 0 0 2.3
68.91 6680 252.97 45.1 5.3 69.31 0 0 0 0
69.71 4880 7.56 7.8 3.8 70.11 0 0 0 0i would say i have pressure problems now but i dont trust these injectors (supplier)
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Probably best I ask you in person how to read these graphs so I dont ruin your thread.
So even with the correct injectors its still not supplying enough fuel. If you have a bigger fuel pump surely that generates more pressure or am I looking at it to simplistically?
Diaphragm has split in the fuel regulator? Crud in the tank?
i hate to think whats going on now Maz. Have i got the right injectors or not, i just dont trust them.
dont worry about ruining the thread, i really dont mind. im really only looking at fueling, correction factors (CF) and injector duty cycle in these logs. fueling is Lambda factor *14.7 to find Air/Fuel ratio. left hand column is actual right hand requested. if actual is higher than requested then you are running lean. its acceptable to a point but 0.9's are far too high
dont worry about ruining the thread, i really dont mind. im really only looking at fueling, correction factors (CF) and injector duty cycle in these logs. fueling is Lambda factor *14.7 to find Air/Fuel ratio. left hand column is actual right hand requested. if actual is higher than requested then you are running lean. its acceptable to a point but 0.9's are far too high
I think you already changed the fuel filter? You have changed the fuel pump so one can only guess that the lines are the restriction...like you originally said maybe blocked? If they arnt block then you may need bigger fuel lines??? Have TotalVAG done any fuel pressure checks?
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