K04 Tubular Manifold

[goodridge]

They told me when I rang they had one on the shelf ready to go ? Certainly sounds like you got to speak to someone a lot more helpful than I did. So we are talking £800 to have it plus fitting for those that couldn't do there own, plus a new top charge pipe set-up. Knocking on 1K really!!

 

[George S3]

I've spoken to TSR about thier manifold this morning and discovered the following:-

£650 inc VAT P&P £12
10bhp gains with reduction in egt's. (this was in a golf)
£150 for ceramic coated option.
1 year warranty
1 inch internal runner diameter
Food grade stainless steel.
gas purged welds shrug
Fitting at TSR will be a coulpe of hundred including custom charge pipe.
Stock charge pipe cannot be reused but turbo is in stock position and reuses existing downpipe and TIP.
What do you think Bill based on that sketchy spec.
Chap who i spoke to has run one without issues for 18months.

Hey willy
clear your inbox I want to send you a pm lol

 

[wild willy]

Hey willy
clear your inbox I want to send you a pm lol

Hi, space cleared.

 

[wild willy]

I had to work hard to get the infomation out of them to be honest. He wasn't sure on the runner csa but guessed at 1 inch which to me also looks bigger. So on face value it looks tidy enough then. He did say that they are available from stock. 1k is too much for what it is imho.

Would it be possible to take a standard high flow manifold such as the backdraft mani (top mount) and fabricate an adapter to fit it (T3) and then use a few ss bends and fittings to locate to a k04 flange in the stock turbo location. In essence a link pipe providing an extended collector. That way R&D costs are kept to a minimum, we have a tried and tested mani with an upgrade path or to sell on.
Surely an adapter is doable for a reasonable cost and saves all the fafing about for a cutom k04 mani that nobody wants to make.

 

[ibizacupra]

Gas purging is not used in the oil industry when TIG welding pipes that will take in excess of 15,000 PSI.
These are pressure tested though.
A good welder without gas purging is better than a bad welder with

True, there's no accounting for skills on the tig torch..
non backpurged and non-100% penetration welded manifolds would be a concern however for me.

£150 for ceramic coated option

Wondering what quality ceramic coating you get for £150 notes
when Zircotec ceramic costs x2 more

 

[ibizacupra]

I had to work hard to get the infomation out of them to be honest. He wasn't sure on the runner csa but guessed at 1 inch which to me also looks bigger. So on face value it looks tidy enough then. He did say that they are available from stock. 1k is too much for what it is imho.

Would it be possible to take a standard high flow manifold such as the backdraft mani (top mount) and fabricate an adapter to fit it (T3) and then use a few ss bends and fittings to locate to a k04 flange in the stock turbo location. In essence a link pipe providing an extended collector. That way R&D costs are kept to a minimum, we have a tried and tested mani with an upgrade path or to sell on.
Surely an adapter is doable for a reasonable cost and saves all the fafing about for a cutom k04 mani that nobody wants to make.

You think there is space to do this?

 

[wild willy]

You think there is space to do this?

I think so, its hard to tell with the existing mani there but i'm sure there is. i know from plumbing experience we mayhave to take the collector around the park to get to the k04 flange as using manufactured bends takes up a minimum space but compared to the pipework used in equal length set ups it should be resonably short. With a nice reducing T3 flange we could make the collector pipe in 50mm say and just reduce it to the diameter of the flange at point of weld.
I think it would work well and be cost effective all things considered. The reason i would prefere T3 top mount is because it involves less bends to get to the collector and the T3 has a much larger flange potential.
That said a budget build could easily be done with a cheap K03 high flow mani as the donar mani but the collector pipe may be slightly more restrictive.

 

[ibizacupra]

you mention backdrafts top mount which is T25, then a link pipe from that to where K04 flange would be..? If I read it right.

kinda like CTS's O2-pipe kinda deal for original fitment downpipes, and cheaper BT's sat up top

 

[wild willy]

you mention backdrafts top mount which is T25, then a link pipe from that to where K04 flange would be..? If I read it right.

kinda like CTS's O2-pipe kinda deal for original fitment downpipes, and cheaper BT's sat up top

T25 thats the one. Thats the principle, Pretty much the same idea as that one you show. Do you know any one who could make the adapter pipe or know of a better mani to base the system on.

 

[George S3]

you mention backdrafts top mount which is T25, then a link pipe from that to where K04 flange would be..? If I read it right.

kinda like CTS's O2-pipe kinda deal for original fitment downpipes, and cheaper BT's sat up top

has any one got a pic of the backdraft mani?

 

[Ljones]

is it not worth disucssing a GB with them, surely it would bring cost down greatly in mass production

 

[wild willy]

is it not worth disucssing a GB with them, surely it would bring cost down greatly in mass production

Good idea.
I'll speak to TSR first and then ask for approval of the admin if its worth doing.

 

[goodridge]

If this is all too dear, can someone not get a ebay special one, then just make it out of whatever better material/better welds etc job done?

 

[maberzee]

You can see the charge pipe needs altering as the pipe runners rise up high in the pictures. the picture on the golf passes the pipe down the back of the engine like they do, LCR's dont route that way as std, so routing the outlet slightly fwd would be the probably way.
1" internal runner diameter does'nt look like whats on the pictures tho.. Port exits are 32mm from memory, so 25mm internal ID is quite a lot smaller than the port..

What wall thickness material are they using?
back purge is essential 'good practice' to ensure defect free TIG weld with full penetration and no carbonising

I would most certainly go for ceramic coating tho, given that radiant heat that will come off those runners will nuke anything meltable in sight.

made to order or stocked ? do you know?

I've done a bit of work experience at TSR and seen the work they do, all is to very high quality. ive seen these manifolds aswell and was amazed to come across this thread and the manifold is amazing, welding is never a problem. the manifold is being used on a golf 1.8t not the lcr but from what i hear it is very good. would strongly recommend any of their services