MK1 Leon GT2x Build - thats it folks

[jamiebennett81]

Hi Guys,

I have stayed in contact via private pm's as i have learnt from experience public forums just go round in circles with these things. The fact I am posting now will just add more fuel, but I want to be fair to those who think I should post.

We have fitted plenty of Backdraft kits without 1 issue. When we are not supplying a kit, we fit we are given, we already had to adjust the poor parts supplied with the kit (which ridiculous in itself) this was done free of charge.

If we had called the customer about everything we were not happy with, then, with all due respect, he would have ended up buying a different kit by the time everything had been improved to the quality we expect. Its easy to blame the fitters, but I wonder how well it would have gone down if we said, ''this kit is poor and you need to spend another £3000.00'' We just can't work like that as I am sure you will appreciate. The kit supplied is cheap for a reason, and we expect the customer to understand this, not to expect us to start changing the parts of the kit to make it a better one

Rest assured, from now on we will only offer Backdraft kits. They are more expensive for a reason.

Many tuners refuse to take on cheaper thrown together kits for this very reason, and from now on so shall we.

Its always a matter of time before blame gets thrown about, especially when a competitor tuner is introduced.

Shame we were not given the chance to have the car back to check

OK, I have had enough of this, so lets go to town

in reference to the hose

Page 33 - post 648

The water hose was indeed rubbing against the driveshaft, and we supported it to stop this as best as we could without kinking or straining the pipe. This has obviously shifted again

The sump sensor wiring is something that certainly wasn't happening when on the ramp.

It does get annoying when one company says one thing against another, then forum members jump on making comments and giving opinions

so you didn't secure it well enough then did you....


reply from M0rk

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-torque.co.uk
The water hose was indeed rubbing against the driveshaft, and we supported it to stop this as best as we could without kinking or straining the pipe. This has obviously shifted again

M0rk -

so that's definitely a flaw that you were aware of

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-torque.co.uk
It does get annoying when one company says one thing against another, then forum members jump on making comments and giving opinions

NO - when one company is stating "fact" from the the poor work carried out - not and I very clearly state not to do over or damage another tuners reputation - what was found was dam right poor workmanship Will and there is no excusing this what so ever

AMD have only ever stated fact, they have not lied and have shown me each error of the kit fitted and nothing has been made up or the truth expanded to damage P-Torque's reputation, that you have managed to clearly do your self Will

M0rk

I'm sorry that it's annoying, probably more annoying for jamie who's car is VOR though....

reply from P-Torque

Very true, but as I said to Jamie, the kit was poor and we put alot of work into making custom hosing for it to ensure a stock look

We have never had 1 issue with Backdraft kits, and will only be fitting these in the future

no mention of compensation or an apology

Page 34 - post 663

Not sure who this is aimed at, but I can truthfully say that I called each day to give him a detailed explanation of where we were and what we had completed

the "detailed" explanation that you forgot to mention to me about the braided hose.....


I quote from Bill on page 35 - post 689

Question to P-torque: Why is'nt it achieving the boost you have set?
What static pressure is the actuator?
What duty cycle did the N75 run to?

P-Torque's reply

As I said to Jamie, I suspect a faulty actuator. N75 seemed ok, although I did recommend a MBC.

It will be interesting to see what your opinion is once you have looked at it

Bill's reply after not receiving a sufficeint answer from P-Torque

You tested it with a pressure pump to confirm when @ you?
trying to determin whats been checked before..

still no answer from Will and avoiding the question......

the same as no direct answer in regards to the bolts on the manifold not being properly secured as well.....

Will, what did you actually do to determine if the actuator was faulty? did you carry out any of Bills diagnostics to determine this? I guess not as you failed to answer his questions

did you test winding out the actuator Rod at all?

you mentioned to me it might have been a faulty N75 valve as well? how did you determine this without testing it was not the turbo itself? What level of problem diagnosis did you carry out for the issue of it boosting to 1.1bar?

and again in reference to giving P-Torque the oppurtunity to rectify these issues....why would I? to drive all the way from South London to Wolverhampton, for a company I have lost trust and faith in to rectify a simple problem that they created in the first place?

Would I have been compensated in the cost of my petrol Will for driving all the way back? I am interested to hear a direct answer to this?

regardless anyway as by this point I had lost all faith and trust in P-Torque's ability

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

The N75 valve was logged, and I recommended fitting an MBC to make sure boost was controlled correctly

The actuator had a clip missing, which gave the impression that the actuator had already been messed with, if you are fair, I told you this when when we had the car in.

I did not want to mess with the actuator when it seemed a part was missing, although I did advise you to ask the opinion of the turbo supplier, all you did was ask them for another clip

I have also given you the opportunity to call the head technician that worked on the car so you can discuss the points that have been mentioned, but you told me you don't want to. What else can I do??

I am afraid you a looking for someone to blame

If you have any other questions, please PM, call me on 01902 324584, or e-mail at [email protected] as constant forum posts get no where

 

[jamiebennett81]

The N75 valve was logged, and I recommended fitting an MBC to make sure boost was controlled correctly

The actuator had a clip missing, which gave the impression that the actuator had already been messed with, if you are fair, I told you this when when we had the car in.

I did not want to mess with the actuator when it seemed a part was missing, although I did advise you to ask the opinion of the turbo supplier, all you did was ask them for another clip

I have also given you the opportunity to call the head technician that worked on the car so you can discuss the points that have been mentioned, but you told me you don't want to. What else can I do??

I am afraid you a looking for someone to blame

you are still avoiding my questions Will. CR Turbo's would have sent out the clips FOC and then you could have adjusted the actuator rod?

and why would I want to speak to the head technician. I am already now aware of the faults which is costing me time and money

not blame Will, stating fact

 

[jamiebennett81]

actually, don't bother answering

agree to disagree Will, and what facts have been stated will stand

moving on, I am concentrating on getting it fixed now

 

[brad1]

how comes you didnt just give your car to someone like jbs and have a ihi kit fitted mate?

 

[jamiebennett81]

how comes you didnt just give your car to someone like jbs and have a ihi kit fitted mate?

because going on what other members had done, the results they had achieved and at the time this seemed a sensible route

and I don't favour JBS either, but thats another story and not for this thread or on public display, thats just my personal opinion

so.....

on a lighter note. Picking up the intake manifold and charge pipe off AMD tomorrow to be send off to get polished and picking up the parts from Seat, new manifold gasket as this will be required when the manifold goes back on. new Dipstick cover as well as this is getting sprayed gold

INA is just getting an update on the parts, and with this it should hopefully all be arriving next week for fitment with the mani and charge pipe arriving back on time too

 

[Juber]

All the best for the fixes mate, doesnt help when companies brush customers off their shoulder! winds me uo a treat!

 

[jamiebennett81]

well the parts are in the UK now

had them delivered to work, but can you believe it, my luck gets no better

parts were delivered or attempted to be delivered at 12:44.....and the loading bay at work closes betweem 12-1!!

All the way from the US and the only time they try to deliver them is when its closed

so....with a bit of luck they will be with me tomorrow and drop them off to AMD on Tuesday

by the time thats put together, the mani and charge pipe should be polished and also are being sent directly to AMD to be put back on......

fingers crossed I might have it back for Saturday.......

 

[RobDon]

Fingers crossed Jamie, maybe finally you'll get to enjoy it soon!

 

[Damoegan]

Good luck mate, hopefully you can have it back on the road and running properly soon.

 

[caveo]

Fingers crossed for you mate ( my probs resolved now so miricals CAN happen )

 

[ChrisCurzon]

hope get it sorted mate in same boat kinda now mines at garage that do all my work and having to strip turbo and mani off due to it blowing from the turbo to mani and the mani to head costing me about £550 for it all to be done 10 hours work so going to be skint again , but hopefully be all sorted after.

 

[jamiebennett81]

cheers guys

parts are now sitting in the Reading delivery depot so might pop down there lunchtime to see if I can get them

although there is two factors to this now, parts from the US, and the polished bits.....

She will also be having a fully synthetic oil change (don't believe I saw this included in the invoice of work from P-Torque) and 4 wheel tracking as this was out before she went in to

praying for repair by saturday now. driving a 98bhp smart car is a ball ache. Although I cant grumble, it sure beats public transport so a big thanks to Simon at AMD for lending me this the whole time the car has been in the garage

 

[Willie]

cheers guys

parts are now sitting in the Reading delivery depot so might pop down there lunchtime to see if I can get them

although there is two factors to this now, parts from the US, and the polished bits.....

She will also be having a fully synthetic oil change (don't believe I saw this included in the invoice of work from P-Torque) and 4 wheel tracking as this was out before she went in to

praying for repair by saturday now. driving a 98bhp smart car is a ball ache. Although I cant grumble, it sure beats public transport so a big thanks to Simon at AMD for lending me this the whole time the car has been in the garage

Thats sounds brilliant Jamie, hope you get your smile back soon.
Are AMD mapping it for you too?

How is the smart car? 98 BHP would be alright in a thing that size.

Just imagine what your 290 BHP + will feel like

 

[jamiebennett81]

Thats sounds brilliant Jamie, hope you get your smile back soon.
Are AMD mapping it for you too?

How is the smart car? 98 BHP would be alright in a thing that size.

Just imagine what your 290 BHP + will feel like

me too fella

no its already mapped mate, by P-Torque, but only running 1.1bar, due to actuator needing to be adjusted - off to Bills on the 2nd November for it to be finally investigated properly

98bhp is fun, but on a motorway when its windy.....its erm......interesting lol!!

 

[Willie]

me too fella

no its already mapped mate, by P-Torque, but only running 1.1bar, due to actuator needing to be adjusted - off to Bills on the 2nd November for it to be finally investigated properly

98bhp is fun, but on a motorway when its windy.....its erm......interesting lol!!

LOL

fingers crossed,
I'm sure bill will sort you out

 

[jamiebennett81]

well I am not sure what to say really....

the delivery turned up from INA engineering. checked the package and the most critical part is not there - the locking tabs

now I know these were free (seeing as they are only about £5) but I emphasised the importance of these parts and they have been left out! I even reminded Issam to make sure these were put in

you could forget everything else, the rocker cover, catch can everything, these are a nice to have, all I needed were these tabs!

I am disappointed to say the least. The car can be put back together, but I dont want it to without these tabs in place

I just despair I really do.........

I am waiting to hear back from him.......

 

[Willie]

Jamie, you could get these fabricated no problem. If you get the right grade and thickness of steel it wouldn't be a problem to get these cut out and drilled to suit

 

[jamiebennett81]

Jamie, you could get these fabricated no problem. If you get the right grade and thickness of steel it wouldn't be a problem to get these cut out and drilled to suit

true, but to get that fabricated would cost a lot more than just getting these parts delivered I would think as INA already have them in stock

and the point is, why were these missed out?

 

[RobDon]

Apprently there's a new guy in 034 shipping who's making alot of mistakes, you're the next victim! Took 3 deliveries before I got all my stuff from 034.