Tested - Remapped FR TDI v Civic Type R

[RobM]

Only just? Seriously this is becoming just opinion now rather than fact. A remapped LCR will beat a standard CTR by a good margin.

Bingo. Plus it gets done on a monthly basis, which also always turns into opinions with very little room for fact. And videos don't prove a thing for a few reasons, not least because you're judging two drivers as well as two cars. There are too many variables.

 

[Al_G]

Only just? Seriously this is becoming just opinion now rather than fact. A remapped LCR will beat a standard CTR by a good margin.

Yes it would but not by as much as you would hope (200bhp v 265bhp)! There should be some vids on youtube...

 

[Snoopcousins]

This has turned into an LCR v CTR debate.....Can anyone with a remapped TDI add their opinion or any experience they have had with a CTR?
To be honest I if I needed to change to a less-expensive car then id defiantely have the civic. £7k for a mint 02 with 60k miles seems a bargain....
Then again the Leon has more boot space, 5 doors etc which makes a better family car!

Im just happy that my diesel 'family' car can hold its own with the Type-R albeit at top end speeds I would be left.
Remember also we raced from a standing start which apparantly doesnt suit the Derv's so I wonder what it would be like if we were start 'racing' in-gear after a roundabout etc...

 

[Number86]

Testament to the CTR that even with a 60BHP deficit it's not smashed by the LCR.

If you take weight into it though, rough calculations would put the BHP needed for an LCR to match a CTR at 225-230. Which seems to roughly match reports on here.

This then equates to a remapped LCR technically only having a circa 30BHP jump on the civic, which as we know, when you're talking about post 200 figures isn't enough for a thrashing...

 

[LiCkWiD]

Video: LCR leaves CTR in its wake.

 

[Al_G]

Only just? Seriously this is becoming just opinion now rather than fact. A remapped LCR will beat a standard CTR by a good margin.

Taken from another thread...

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74573

BEN CTR:
Had both.... Had my CTR for 3 years and 108,000 miles... Great car, haven't got a bad word to say about it really. My CTR had alot of hammer and was bullet proof really, considering...LOL Especially the gearbox and engine... In standard form, my CTR was slightly quicker in a straight line (ran a 14.5 @ 97mph in it STANDARD). But now remapped the LCR is quicker, obviously. But not a MASSIVE amount..
In a nutshell, they are two different cars. Ones more fun than the other (CTR). But the LCR is alot better to drive in comfort... Depends what you want really... Do miss my CTR a bit though, have to say. Wish i could have both really...

...Is that enough facts for you!? This was written by a bloke who has owned a CTR, LCR and remapped LCR...

 

[BCM]

Enough for me mate!
Snoop - Sorry for the total hijak mate!

 

[RobM]

Once again you are confusing fact with opinion.

 

[Al_G]

Once again you are confusing fact with opinion.

Many standard LCR's run 1/4mile in 14.5 or quicker?

 

[RobM]

If you give me the results of every LCR that's ever run it, I'll tell you. Until then, stop confusing fact and opinion.

If 'I've driven both and say X is quicker' is a fact... then it's a fact that a remapped TDi is quicker than a CTR, as that's what the original post says.

 

[Number86]

Zinged!

 

[cordobabrendy]

From personal experience a remapped lc just about has the legs on a ctr, show them a hill and the lc walks away. For anyone that knows the m2 in belfast (steep climbing hill for around 4 miles with mild bends) heading towards mallusk, next time you see a 172,182 clio or ctr give them a run up the hill, its quite funny.

 

[LiCkWiD]

Taken from another thread...

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74573

BEN CTR:
Had both.... Had my CTR for 3 years and 108,000 miles... Great car, haven't got a bad word to say about it really. My CTR had alot of hammer and was bullet proof really, considering...LOL Especially the gearbox and engine... In standard form, my CTR was slightly quicker in a straight line (ran a 14.5 @ 97mph in it STANDARD). But now remapped the LCR is quicker, obviously. But not a MASSIVE amount..
In a nutshell, they are two different cars. Ones more fun than the other (CTR). But the LCR is alot better to drive in comfort... Depends what you want really... Do miss my CTR a bit though, have to say. Wish i could have both really...

...Is that enough facts for you!? This was written by a bloke who has owned a CTR, LCR and remapped LCR...

That ain't fact. It's opinion! He ran a nice 1/4 mile in his standard CTR, but that doesn't mean everyone car. Give an equally skilled driver a standard LCR and we'll see what happens.

Even then, disguising opinion as fact is a great skill, in its own right.

RobM said it right. This post has decayed in the same way all this x Vs. x posts do. I considered the CTR before settling on my little LC and I'm glad I picked it. More scope for tuning, turbo fun and a comfortable ride. Stuff the CTR can't so readily boast.... that's opinion, not fact, btw.

 

[cordobabrendy]

Snoops, if you want to change to a petrol car theres a P1 sat with 8995 on it on the belfast rd heading out of bangor at the carwash place. sonic blue....mmmmmm.

 

[Al_G]

If you give me the results of every LCR that's ever run it, I'll tell you. Until then, stop confusing fact and opinion.

If 'I've driven both and say X is quicker' is a fact... then it's a fact that a remapped TDi is quicker than a CTR, as that's what the original post says.

It makes no odds to me tbh! I could have bought either but thinking about it perhaps I should have bought a TDI as I'm spending far too much on fuel lol!

All I was attempting to do was reinforce the performance figures (as stated in the back of most car mags) of both cars...

If you disagree with what I say then thats fair enough.

Back to the topic...

 

[Al_G]

That ain't fact. It's opinion! He ran a nice 1/4 mile in his standard CTR, but that doesn't mean everyone car. Give an equally skilled driver a standard LCR and we'll see what happens.

Even then, disguising opinion as fact is a great skill, in its own right.

RobM said it right. This post has decayed in the same way all this x Vs. x posts do. I considered the CTR before settling on my little LC and I'm glad I picked it. More scope for tuning, turbo fun and a comfortable ride. Stuff the CTR can't so readily boast.... that's opinion, not fact, btw.

I'm glad I picked my LCR too. I could have had a CTR, 182, R32, S3 but decided to go for a Leon because it gave me exactly what I wanted/needed at a reasonable price!

As I said before there is a thin line between fact and opinion!

BTW CTRs can be tuned (albeit slightly more costly than the LC + LCR), think Ariel Atom!

 

[LiCkWiD]

Which is why I used the word "readily"

The 1.8T 20v VAG engine is famous for being fantastically tuneable, as you know The VTEC 2.0 DOHC lump within the CTR isn't quite as "plugin-and-go", as I'm sure you also know.

 

[BCM]

I think we were all in the same boat,
Could have bought the major hot hatches on the market,
Our reasons for buying a Leon are becuase it suited our needs (whatever they may be )
So its obvious that we would defend them becasue of this.
But those cars are in the same league as the LCR and poss LC so no doubt some will be faster some will not. That for sure is a FACT!

 

[BCM]

Which is why I used the word "readily"

The 1.8T 20v VAG engine is famous for being fantastically tuneable, as you know The VTEC 2.0 DOHC lump within the CTR isn't quite as "plugin-and-go", as I'm sure you also know.

Now that was my reason for buying the Leon.
Ease of readily available parts and the ease of tuning.
Must be the first time we've agreed LickWid!

 

[Cunners]

Just been watchin a couple of vids,i sort of get the impression that a LCR quicker than a CTR from roll on,but whenever i ve raced anythin from a standin start always struggle gettin it to lanch well, cos its so heavy 1811kg to be exact a CTR is only 1550kg.

Have drivin my freinds CTR in work and there is no denying that it is an awesome machine and in my opnion (not fact) a CTR would win a 1/4 mile race over an LCR if they were both standard with the same driver.