Hybrid K04 Turbo Discussion

wild willy

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Was it 107% boost. Fecking hell.... no wonder limp mode.

I think Awesome used to run their car Maxed out on Vtune with a slice of millers and timing advance........useless in the real world but good roller figs.
 

Mitchy

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Carl, it is flowing better than normal K04 for sure.

Its just i want more from it boost wise.

Does the hybrid need to boost as hard to get the same effect as the normal K04 given larger compressor wheels.
 

wild willy

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Carl, it is flowing better than normal K04 for sure.

Its just i want more from it boost wise.

Does the hybrid need to boost as hard to get the same effect as the normal K04 given larger compressor wheels.

A larger compressor wheel will result in a higher bhp per psi of turbo boost for sure but this turbo is rated up to 2bar ( we wouldn't want to flow this) and should hold boost higher.
Currently Mitchy my standard K04 holds boost better than your hybrid (Marginally) and this shouldn't be the case.
I think I was seduced by Sie's figures not realising how much of the high figures were due to the software (undesirable long term settings) and not so much the turbo.
I would say though Mitchy that there is ample more to come from your turbo as CC are relatively gentle and respectful in the settings that they use.

I'll get fresh logs this week of mine using Vtune at 105% for hybrid comparison.
 

Mitchy

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What i haven't showed in my logs is the big boost spike.

Between 3800-4500rpm im seeing 2540mbar on vagcom but 26psi on gauge.

When i find a cable to work my custom code software settings i can start playing around with things. I might give the actuator a tweak also.
 

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What i haven't showed in my logs is the big boost spike.

Between 3800-4500rpm im seeing 2540mbar on vagcom but 26psi on gauge.

When i find a cable to work my custom code software settings i can start playing around with things. I might give the actuator a tweak also.

Does the spike give a noticeable shove during power delivery, I'm surprised it doesn't go into limp mode.
 

Mitchy

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Yes it does give a good shove, petty it only lasts around 500 rpm ish though.

Good in 6th gear though, as it obviously lasts a little longer:)
 

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Was it 107% boost. Fecking hell.... no wonder limp mode.

I think Awesome used to run their car Maxed out on Vtune with a slice of millers and timing advance........useless in the real world but good roller figs.

I went into limp because i had my boost controller set to high! Had nothing to do with the load setting, thats still set at 105% i put it up to 107% once but turbo was already maxed out so turned it down!

I have seen two more stage 2 APR LCRs running close to Awesomes own! If you scan through the RR results you should find them! But mines been RRd twice there now and it has gotten 273 & 271 on both occations so is still around 20 brake up on them.
 

YerMother

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I think I was seduced by Sie's figures not realising how much of the high figures were due to the software (undesirable long term settings) and not so much the turbo.

The turbo is just giving what the software is asking for! JBS is saying that the turbo has no more to give, where mine obvously can as it still boosts 1.45BAR @ 5,000 rpm dropping to 1.25 @ 7,000!
 

Mitchy

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Sie, why are the APR tuned cars managing such impressive wheel figures on awesomes rollers but yet no other tuner can get close is my question.

I had it mapped initially by jabbasport, then by CC and both tuning companies have found the same thing! You cant request more boost if the turbos not making it as if the deviation is too high the engine will go into limp mode.

They spent 3 days with my car trying to get these ''claimed'' figures from it. Testing out on the road in real world mapping terms but yet have failed to get these figures. Im sure both jabbasport and CC know what they are doing:)

If your 273result is accurate, it should have no problem breaking 300 at the very least, 310bhp on JBS's rollers.

JBS's rollers are renound for being tight but do show a 40bhpish loss in transmission loss so you should have no problems with 310bhp:)

Although i would like to see it being done;) I thought you lived closer to Chesterfield, than you did to manchester Sie;)
If it does produce 310bhp ish at JBS and mine is way under i will be demanding a refund from Jacob as if 2 of the UK's leading tuning companies cant get from it what it is supposed to, then that is false advertising. I still have the emails from him telling me it should be producing 1.4bar minimum at 6500rpm.

Even yours is down on that @ 1.25 bar and mines further down at 1.15bar.

Carl, here are some logs of the lower down boost spike. Remember the MAP sensor only reads to 2540mbar hence why deviation on the spike is not sensed.

3400....2410/2510 = 1.51bar
3840....2430/2540 = 1.54bar (Actual 26psi or 1.8bar)
4280....2420/2540 = 1.54bar (Actual 24psi or 1.65bar)
4680....2370/2440 = 1.44bar
5040...2330/2310 = 1.31bar

Then dead and buried after 5500rpm really when it drops to below 2250mbar.

Is the loading correct, i have 191.7 readings showing in the % load column
 
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What i haven't showed in my logs is the big boost spike.

Between 3800-4500rpm im seeing 2540mbar on vagcom but 26psi on gauge.

When i find a cable to work my custom code software settings i can start playing around with things. I might give the actuator a tweak also.

max the MAP sensor reads 1.55bar +ve
 

Mitchy

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Maximum readings on vagcom are 2540mbar which i soppose is 1.55bar as taking off 1000mbar to get boost is just a rough estimate to actual bar boost reading.

Its definitely extending past 1.55bar of boost. 26psi =1.8bar and thats what its getting round to.

Without the remap bringing it down, James said it would probably spike at 2bar:blink:
 

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The turbo is just giving what the software is asking for! JBS is saying that the turbo has no more to give, where mine obvously can as it still boosts 1.45BAR @ 5,000 rpm dropping to 1.25 @ 7,000!
Sie, did you ever get whp figs for RR the car at standard stage 2 boost levels as opposed to 105% boost settings. Scotty's turbo ain't meeting requested but that may be due to his boost leak.
 

wild willy

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Maximum readings on vagcom are 2540mbar which i soppose is 1.55bar as taking off 1000mbar to get boost is just a rough estimate to actual bar boost reading.

Its definitely extending past 1.55bar of boost. 26psi =1.8bar and thats what its getting round to.

Without the remap bringing it down, James said it would probably spike at 2bar:blink:

There must be a simple mechanical boost control device which can vent off unwanted boost levels, using simple spring tensions etc (like a large DV).
 

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MBC.... that's what Star use to fix overboost I think.... always thought it must be a bit of a bodge though
 

Mitchy

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Im tempted to get an apexi AVC-R unit and get rid of the N75 valve

Its intermittent, it seems fine at the moment but it has been surging the last couple of days on part throttle.

You can pick them up off ebay for £200-£250 so it may be worth a shot:)

Just a bugger installing it though:(
 

YerMother

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Sie, did you ever get whp figs for RR the car at standard stage 2 boost levels as opposed to 105% boost settings. Scotty's turbo ain't meeting requested but that may be due to his boost leak.

Yea i always got low 240 wheel horse power as like the revo stage 2s! So was way off Awesomes LCR, but as i said before i seen a couple now getting closer to what they used to get!
 

wild willy

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MBC.... that's what Star use to fix overboost I think.... always thought it must be a bit of a bodge though

The problem is that most MBC's i've seen on Ebay only increase or decrease the boost, I can't seem to find any that will only react to overboost and allow the ecu to control the boost at all other times.
 
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