RNS 315 Retrofit

VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
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Mexico City
LOL Tell me about it, mate! This is a 100% recommended upgrade, it's worth every single peso I paid for it. Did I mention that the sound quality also improved over the RCD 310? Because yes, it did. :p
 
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VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
187
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Mexico City
OK, today I've spent the whole afternoon trying to identify why the mic won't work with the RNS' BT, whereas it worked perfectly with my 5K0 independent BT unit.

First of all, to understand how things worked with both HU's (my previous and my actual one), I decided to give a look at both units' pinout diagrams and this is what I found:

RCD 310

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RNS 315

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Please focus on the phone part (far left). Anyone notices a difference? Well, I don't. OK, there's the N.C. pins in the RCD unit but, according to my-gti.com, the two N.C. pins at the far right correspond to mic positive and negative inputs, just like in the RNS unit:

4. Multi-pin connector 3, 12-pin, for telephone and microphone signals

1 – Microphone input, negative

2 – AUX output, audio, right

3 – AUX output, common signal earth

4 – Microphone output, negative

5 – Telephone audio input signal left, negative

6 – Telephone audio input signal right, negative

7 – Microphone input, positive

8 – AUX output, audio, left

9 – Microphone output, positive

10 – Telephone mute (mute switch for radio)

11 – Telephone audio input signal left, positive

12 – Telephone audio input signal right, positive

So, after having clarified this, I decided to give a look at the RNS connector:

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and to my surprise, I found that there were no wires for those two mic input pins... :confused: only pins 6, 12 and 10 were wired.

So, what's up with that? If there never were wires for any of the mic pins, how did the mic actually work when my 5K0 BT unit was connected? Probably it's got to do with the AUX inputs, but then again the pin layout for both units in that part is exactly the same.

The guys at myturbodiesel.com say that if my car came with factory BT, then enabling the RNS' BT functionalities should be plug and play and no wiring rearrangement would be necessary, it would only require VCDS programming.

Since I still haven't gotten me a vagcom, this part will have to remain on hold.

Any ideas and comments are welcome.

Will keep you posted.

Cheers!
 
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fireblade929

Active Member
Jul 11, 2010
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Cleethorpes
I have a yeti, which I have retrofitted an rns310 , mdi unit and a 5ko Bluetooth unit( under drivers seat ) I am also having the same problem as you, where the mic is not working, everything else works fine. I think this is an aux pin issue in the back of the block connector to the head unit, just need time to fathom it out, any help would be appreciated. Cheers mat.....
 

VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
187
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Mexico City
Mate, I think your problem is different than mine. I assume you installed a full BT retrofit kit from scratch... and I'm just trying to make my factory installed mic work with the RNS 315 integrated BT.

Anyway, if I'm correct and that's the case, you may find the following information a bit useful:

(Considering that RNS 310 and 510 have basically the same pin assignment)

http://www.my-gti.com/2574/volkswagen-rns-310-pin-assignments

http://www.my-gti.com/1234/volkswagen-rns-510-microphone-connection-for-voice-control

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Cheers!
 

fireblade929

Active Member
Jul 11, 2010
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Cleethorpes
Checked all wiring , all ok, set up for voice control, mine is a Amundsen 310, do these have voice control? My Leon has voice control tho, what am I doing wrong? Mic still inoperative .......
 

fireblade929

Active Member
Jul 11, 2010
152
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Cleethorpes
I've got the mic to work omg am I happy....... Right the wiring diagram and my own hands free kit is set up for voice activation, where the wires go from the btooth unit under the seat to the head unit and then to the mic, to make the mic work you have to wire the mic straight to the btooth unit cutting out the head unit , as per the original wiring diagram......
 

VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
187
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Mexico City
Excellent, mate! I'm glad you could finally sort things out. :) So, all you did was wire the mic directly to the 11th and 12th pins of the BT unit? Some pics of it would be truly appreciated.
 

fireblade929

Active Member
Jul 11, 2010
152
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Cleethorpes
Sorry don't have any pics, but yes you wire the mic up directly to pins 12 and 11 as in your diagram on post 25.... Just pull the 4 pins out the back of your rns315 block connector and solder them together, ie the 2 wires with no insulation together and then the other two together. This worked for me , I'm not sure if it will for you, but it's worth a try.....
 

VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
187
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Mexico City
Cheers for the info, mate! So, if I understood well all you did was solder the wires together so you didn't have to fit new longer wires from your mic to the BT unit directly, nice. :)

It seems like the mic input does have to be directly wired to the BT unit and not to the head unit, but then again what's the purpose of those mic pins in the head unit? Unless this can be somehow manipulated through programming, I have no clue about it :confused:...

I'll probably have to rewire my mic directly to my RNS 315 if I want to have it working... But until I get me a vagcom to mess with some configurations, I'll leave that as a last option.
 
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VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
187
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Mexico City
Sorry I took this long to update this thread, I finally managed to enable both, the mic and the Optical Parking System (OPS) at my RNS 315.

The mic job was done at the Stealer's shop, they just bridged and connected a couple of wires directly to the HU's back from the actual BT unit connector, integrating them into the HU's one. Not a big deal, but a big price for the job and warranty. :rolleyes:

As for the OPS, here's how I achieved to enable it:

At vagcom (VCDS)

- Module 10 Park/Steer Assist
- Function 16 Security Access
- Move the cursor over the "Enter security access key" field and it will display a key number, type it in and press "Do it!"
- Module 07 Coding
- Press "Long coding helper"
- Select Byte 0 and mark Bit 4 "Optical Ilustration active", then exit that window
- Press "Do it!" to save the new code.
- Module 37 Navigation
- Function 07 Coding
- Press "Long Coding Helper"
- Go to Byte 6 and select "00 Optical Park System & Interior Graphics: Standard (via CAN)" from the drop list, then close that window.
- Press "Do it!" to save the new code.

This, of course, after having enabled the navigation module with a VCDS as well.

Here's a vid of it actually working:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKLAVtbKUk

Hope this is helpful enough.

Cheers!
 
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Andy90

Active Member
Jul 30, 2013
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Ive just joined today to look as to how I can get the visual aid parking on my screen in my leon as I only have rear sensors. Im currently trying to look for someone local with vagcom that can attempt the above procedure for me.
 

Young Bill

Guest
Dude, I just took delivery of a 315 and very interested in where you plugged the mic into on the rear of the HU?
I may have to get a retrofit mic and run it from the area at the courtesy light to the HU. Not sure my FR has a mic fitted. It was the old unit originally but I can't post pics until I get to 15 posts :)

Any help or pics appreciated.
 

Rob_Talisman

MKII CR FR 170 FL Stage 2
Sep 2, 2013
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North East
Hi im just doing exactly the same, just replaced my old 310 with a 315. Ive obvioulsy a mic somewhere in the car already and i need to know how to wire this into the 315 now as well. Any pics of advise??
 

VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
187
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Mexico City
Hi guys, I didn't post actual pictures of this job because, as I said before, it was done at the Stealers, however, I'll take a couple of pics showing the final results, hoping they're helpful enough for you.

I'll post them as soon as I can.

Cheers!
 

VAGUE

Wanderer
Sep 30, 2012
187
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Mexico City
OK,

So here's a diagram I created myself for depicting what was basically done to my Leon to have the mic working back again after retrofitting my RNS 315 HU and enabling its BT funtion:

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Green block pinout (found at the HU quadlock connector):

1 – Microphone input, negative

2 – AUX output, audio, right

3 – AUX output, common signal earth

4 – Microphone output, negative

5 – Telephone audio input signal left, negative

6 – Telephone audio input signal right, negative

7 – Microphone input, positive

8 – AUX output, audio, left

9 – Microphone output, positive

10 – Telephone mute (mute switch for radio)

11 – Telephone audio input signal left, positive

12 – Telephone audio input signal right, positive


Blue block pinout (found at the BT module connector):

1 V+

2 V-

3 Telephone ON

8 Audio LF Signal out +

9 Audio LF Signal Out –

10 Screening Term 31

11 Mic in +

12 Mic in -

15 K Line

16 Mute

17 CAN Hi

18 Can Lo

37 Switched positive term for phone charging

39 Term 31 -ve

41 Interface to mob phone Term 30

42 Mic Out +

43 Mic out -

44 Screening Term 31

45 Audio LF Sig input +

46 Audio LF Sig Input -

47 Wakeup lead to phone bracket

49 Serial Tx comms with tele bracket +ve 50 Serial Tx comms with tele bracket -ve

51 Serial Rx comms with tele bracket +ve

52 Serial Rx comms with tele bracket -ve



Nothing really special, as you can see here, the green and yellow wires were bridged from the originally installed mic wires connected to the BT module, and then connected to the HU through the quadlock connector. Since the BT module will no longer be necessary, instead of doing this, one could simply de-solder the original wires from the BT module connector (blue and black ones in this image), and have them directly soldered to the HU green housing block attached to the quadlock connector (having in mind polarities, of course).

Unfortunately, I can't show you more detailed pictures of the actual process; as mentioned before, the Stealers took care of the nasty part. All I know is they had to take apart the car's carpet at the passenger's side to gain access to the involved wiring harness that runs from below the passenger's seat to the dashboard. Pillar trims won't require to be removed since we already have a mic installed from factory.

For a neat job, the following wires should be taken in consideration:



(Image provided by bigbadvoodooguru from golfmkv.com forum)
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NOTE #1

Some level of tech expertise is required since you'll want all your wirings correctly soldered and isolated. If you don't think you're up to it, just have someone qualified do it for you.

NOTE #2

Factory BT module must be disconnected, otherwise, it will be detected as the main BT provider overriding the RNS's one.

NOTE #3

From my experience, no further coding was required through VCDS to have the HU's BT enabled, it should come enabled by default. However, what you will require to do at VCDS (if you haven't taken care of it already) is enable/install the Navigation module from the control module section (if you don't know how, just let me know and I'll post the instructions).

Also, when doing a full scan through VCDS, the Telephony module will throw an error code. This is normal because we will no longer have an external physical BT unit installed. You could have this module removed/uninstalled at VCDS, however, I don't recommend it, all you'll get is the telephone menu gone from your MDI screen and you'll only be able to manipulate your phone contacts and calls directly from the RNS's screen.

This is basically it. Got questions? Just ask.

Hope it's helpful enough.

Cheers!
 
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