REVO vs APR (differences in potential gains)

[jammydodgerJW]

By the fact that u slated apr pretty much from the start, including rubbishing evan@aprs reasonable replies, and praised revo.
Revo guys love revo and likewise apr guys.
In any case, whichever company you choose, they offer updates to existing customers. So if u find yourself 2 horsepower short, it wont take long for the tuner to find it, or a different dyno

Clearly someone dosent understand constructive criticism....

I criticised something but backed it up with evidence hence the saying constructive rather than being bullish with an opinion.. not my problem he couldnt answer it



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[jammydodgerJW]

13.4 in a Golf R 2+?! Would expect more than that....

Someone else that agrees cheers tom

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[jammydodgerJW]

All im asking in this thread is for peoples opinions and facts on both and so far what people are saying speaks volumes 3 people have already rubbished the golf r's quarter mile time not just me... so thanks guys still not made my decision easier though aa I like the idea EMCS

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[Al]

I think we all can agree that a stage 2+ golf r running a 13.4@107 is a bit funky...

In contrast I have time slips of other stage 2+ APR golf Rs running low 12s.

Hard to say what exactly happened, isn't it Al?

I have heard about DSG cars doing good times with various flavours of software. Never seen a time slip yet though or a spec sheet of the car right enough.

I guess it is hard to know what happened too - although not having a car at the moment, I don't much care as most standard cars are passing me on my trusty Trek

All Brand A, B or C aside though, the sharper tools in the box will know the plot and area under the graph is more important than the peak numbers and if the logs show the plot comes without the expense of bad things happening in the engine, like timing pull etc, then you are on to a winner especially if it drives nicely and performs better than most.

Regarding that specific Golf and its dyno numbers, it does actually pose a valid question re the dyno run. Forgetting about the whole APR/Revo thing, what I would like to know is how a car driving the 2 front wheels can have lower calculated flywheel hp figures from approx 20 hp higher wheel hp figures than another car driving the 2 front wheels when it would normally drive 4 wheels - both cars back to back on the same dyno on the same day. Cars in question - Leon Cupra R and Golf R both with the CDL engine with similar modifications bar code.

Presumably, with the handbrake disconnected on the Golf, the prop, rear diff, drive shafts, Haldex and rear wheels not doing anything means the calculated losses of a 4 wheel drive car no longer apply and the flywheel hp should have been calculated as a 2 wheel drive car and not a 4 wheel drive car? The basic gearbox is the same on the 4 wheel drive and 2 wheel drive cars as I recall - I know Dan still has his original gearbox despite driving 4 wheels on his Leon instead of driving only the 2 front wheels as it was before.

Fair play if I am mis-guided/wrong/stupid but this is still puzzling me.

 

[Al]

Hmm, a bit poo that time. My Golf R did 12.3@109mph at Santa Pod into a 30mph headwind and ran 5th gear at the end of the run in limp mode!

However the APR stage2+ DSG car that was there the same day only managed a 13.08@106mph.

Is that the same map Owen had on his Leon Hurdy? Or is it updated now?

 

[calvR]

Clearly someone dosent understand constructive criticism....

I criticised something but backed it up with evidence hence the saying constructive rather than being bullish with an opinion.. not my problem he couldnt answer it



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I understand it perfectly thanks. I just dont think it was necessary thats all. U prefer the look of the revo site and stated figures and have a closer revo dealer.

All im asking in this thread is for peoples opinions and facts on both and so far what people are saying speaks volumes 3 people have already rubbished the golf r's quarter mile time not just me... so thanks guys still not made my decision easier though aa I like the idea EMCS

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This thread has already happened numerous times and its always the same.
The golf r is 1 car and clearly the quarter mile time isn't good enough for a 2+ car i agree, but that could be down to any number of things. I dont see how that is basis for discussion.
I'll say it again, I dont have a remap from anyone

 

[Al]

The golf r is 1 car and clearly the quarter mile time isn't good enough for a 2+ car i agree, but that could be down to any number of things.

Which is exactly what I pointed out

 

[AndrewJB]

To make this a real boring war, all we need is Andrew to come in & join in & we've got all you guys in one thread

I thought i would just join in to complete the thread

my response to the whole thread


YAWN

 

[jammydodgerJW]

I thought i would just join in to complete the thread

my response to the whole thread


YAWN

Thanks for your input lol just how im feeling about now....

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[AndrewJB]

Its not just REVO vs APR.. we have R-T3ch, Shark performance biting on other forums aswell.

Me and Wee G have both been involved in discussions in the past about JBS/Custom Code vs Shark Performance to do with PD170 tuning.

At the moment i have other things going on in my life, i just want to go out in the car and enjoy it, not bothered what power it makes all as i know is when i drive it, it makes me smile (and yes it is running ok again now).

I chose APR because there HQ is literally 2 minutes from my house, APR is a brand i had heard of (Mate of mine used to work at Awesome GTI and he had APR on his MK1 LCR) and i get good Customer Service. Also i was impressed with the amount of hardware that they had available off the shelf for the 2.0TFSI.

If APR HQ was 4+ hours away and there nearest dealer was 2+ hours away i would of gone with another tuner whether it be REVO or another one.

i think your decision should be based on whats best for you, if your happy to travel etc.... when i had my PD170 i had to travel for 2 hours to get it tuned properly.

 

[jammydodgerJW]

Its not just REVO vs APR.. we have R-T3ch, Shark performance biting on other forums aswell.

Me and Wee G have both been involved in discussions in the past about JBS/Custom Code vs Shark Performance to do with PD170 tuning.

At the moment i have other things going on in my life, i just want to go out in the car and enjoy it, not bothered what power it makes all as i know is when i drive it, it makes me smile (and yes it is running ok again now)

True but those were the two id singled down to personally otherwise id never end up chosing

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[AndrewJB]

i've added to my post above since you've replied.


Basically make a decision based on what is best for you

 

[Hurdy]

Is that the same map Owen had on his Leon Hurdy? Or is it updated now?

I don't know is the honest answer to that Al.

 

[Kronborg]

I'm running APR software.
And it runs great, no problems!

I have read of several who have switched to APR because they experienced problems with Revo.

 

[AndrewJB]

I'm running APR software.
And it runs great, no problems!

I have read of several who have switched to APR because they experienced problems with Revo.

Ive seen threads reading the same, not just in the UK

I have a few friends who had MK1 LCR's with APR (Before APR withdrew from UK) and switched to REVO (using the free change AwesomeGTI offered) and were never happy with the car after that, a few of them sold them shortly after.

But things have changed since then, REVO have updated alot of there maps, APR have come back with new stuff.

 

[Al]

I chose APR because there HQ is literally 2 minutes from my house, APR is a brand i had heard of

^^^ ^^^

This is the exact reason I chose Star for my Toledo and by the time I got my first MK2 Leon Cupra, Revo was local in Aberdeen.

No other well known company other than Custom Code has bothered to venture north of South Scotland which is a major fail especially when you consider Aberdeen Audi are almost continually the most successful Audi dealer in the UK, where R8's RS3's and RS4/5/6's are seen every day of the week thanks to oil money.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why people who might not even know about maps etc don't travel several hours to get it done! Local = best if its a big name!

 

[kazand]

No chance. If you want to hear him prattling on about everything Pro APR and Anti Revo, you just need to look on his Private VAG Tuning page on Facebook.

Being a car-less person now, I want to know how to tune my Mountain Bike as my legs are taking a while to provide the extra power I need

Shave your legs!

 

[Evan@APR]

And which way did you think id made my mind up?

Because in actual fact I nearly booked with apr yest

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Man, I guess we really should have added that 10bhp to the website, lol!

 

[Evan@APR]

^^^ ^^^

This is the exact reason I chose Star for my Toledo and by the time I got my first MK2 Leon Cupra, Revo was local in Aberdeen.

No other well known company other than Custom Code has bothered to venture north of South Scotland which is a major fail especially when you consider Aberdeen Audi are almost continually the most successful Audi dealer in the UK, where R8's RS3's and RS4/5/6's are seen every day of the week thanks to oil money.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why people who might not even know about maps etc don't travel several hours to get it done! Local = best if its a big name!

Hard to go local everywhere when prospective distributors are rubbish

Al did you see our stage 3 Golf R and TTRS take first in their respective classes at the Tuner GP (hockenheim) recently? Same kit we had on the golf at knock hill Damn that Turbo S haha!

 

[AndrewJB]

Hence with my PD170 i had to travel 2+ hours because the local guys were not capable of tuning a PD170 with Siemens PPD ECU and DPF removal.

But with my 2.0TFSI right on the door step