Phillc's Mk1 Cupra...

[dannydoo]

Hi Mate Cupra looks unreal
hope you dont mind me asking a few questions

how hard did you find fitting the front mount i have ramp ect if i need it just worried about
all the pipe work looks like it has to go everywhere also what was the downpipe you got
have you got a link? Thank's

Dan .

 

[Phillc]

Thanks for your comments, front mount really easy tbh, i got a pipe kit of ebay and it all went together a treat. I got the down pipe from HERE and adapted it a bit to fit my piper cat back.

 

[dannydoo]

Thanks Bud whats the diffrence between size from standard downpipe the when i got my Cupra it had a miltek system and sports cat cat was under the car so i just got same size pipe and welded in to take the sports cat out but still running on standard downpipe
will this make a diffrence to what iv got or is it same size just a de-cat down pipe? and cheers mate i was going to get the pipe kit off ebay aswell as my girlfriend has got me the intercooler from santa so the ebay jobbies work in with all the bends and fitting in the bay ok?

Thanks Again

 

[INA]

All this baby needs now is an SEM manifold Phil!

 

[Phillc]

All this baby needs now is an SEM manifold Phil!

How much though Sam?


Well i have eventually got rid of the incorrect correlation between cam and crank signal fault code :lol I replaced both the cam and the crank sensors but it was still there so i got a new cam chain tensioner and fitted that i was getting the slapping chain noise on start up aswell so it needed doing i have been for a drive and all is well and no fault codes , when i was doing the tensioner i also found the exhaust cam is out of time by about 2-3 teeth on the pulley so i will be sorting that out in the next week or so, so will be fitting a new cam belt and water pump at the same time, i was just going to do the cam timing and put the original cam belt back on but its alot of work do do and not change it and as its due another one about now anyway i will wait until then.

Fitted the LCR undertray yesterday, totaly covers the front of the car, much better than the LC one.

 

[Phillc]

Well another buissy weekend, things i did : cam belt change, water pump and auxillary belt, re time the exhaust cam.

 

[Willie]

WOW, your some machine Phill.
I'm hoping to do mine aswell but will check how big my balls are before and then decide

 

[Murdered LCR]

I lost my whole undertray luckily i have a mate who's selling me his old one for 10 quid comes with side bits as well lol

 

[Willie]

I lost my whole undertray luckily i have a mate who's selling me his old one for 10 quid comes with side bits as well lol

Bargin, there £110 each plus £20 for the side bits

 

[Murdered LCR]

I no well happy was dreading ordering one from sere motors

 

[Phillc]

WOW, your some machine Phil.
I'm hoping to do mine as well but will check how big my balls are before and then decide

I had a practice run a couple of weeks ago when i did the inlet cam and cam tensioner, which is when i found the exhaust cam was not timed right , it was about three teeth out (advanced) the worst bit is getting the belt on and keeping all the timing marks lined up, i had the belt on three times before i got it right. Not sure how long the timing had been out i had the cam belt done when i bought it but not looked at the timing in 3 years not sure what that might mean now regarding the map?

Bargain, there £110 each plus £20 for the side bits

I just picked up the bottom bit for £35 so well happy with that, the good thing about the LCR under tray is it covers the whole of the engine unlike the LC one which just covers the front.

 

[Willie]

Better.timing could only mean better performance surely. Who did you cam belt last time?

 

[Phillc]

I had it done by the dealer. I had it on Bills rollers and it was pulling 9's (probably due to the timing being out) on the timing so he knocked 5 Degrees of but now i have effectively retarded the timing , should i put that 5 degrees back on? i am going to do some logs asap so i can see what its doing now.

 

[Willie]

Logs first, advance timing later

 

[ibizacupra]

I had a practice run a couple of weeks ago when i did the inlet cam and cam tensioner, which is when i found the exhaust cam was not timed right , it was about three teeth out (advanced) the worst bit is getting the belt on and keeping all the timing marks lined up, i had the belt on three times before i got it right. Not sure how long the timing had been out i had the cam belt done when i bought it but not looked at the timing in 3 years not sure what that might mean now regarding the map?



I just picked up the bottom bit for £35 so well happy with that, the good thing about the LCR under tray is it covers the whole of the engine unlike the LC one which just covers the front.

given it was mapped with wrong cam timing phil, its not going to be right now...
remember your v.high timing pull!

logs just emailed to you (remembered finally!)

 

[ibizacupra]

I had it done by the dealer. I had it on Bills rollers and it was pulling 9's (probably due to the timing being out) on the timing so he knocked 5 Degrees of but now i have effectively retarded the timing , should i put that 5 degrees back on? i am going to do some logs asap so i can see what its doing now.

on physical timing you were'nt running barely into double digit numbers, where "correct" cars will run 33 degree's off load light load and drop into the teens under boost, and rise back into the teens as the revs climb.. Compare to a sample of a few others I have logged to get a feel for how different yours is running:

As it arrived on the day you visited me:

Group A:	'002				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'115			
	Engine Speed	Engine Load	Injection	Intake Air Mass		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure
TIME			Timing		TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	TIME			(specified Value)	(actual Value)
STAMP	 /min	 %	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar

279.97	2360	85.7	8.16	39.11	280.38	0	0	0	0.8	279.56	2200	88	2430	1240
281.18	2880	92.5	9.18	52.72	281.58	0	0	5.3	0.8	280.78	2720	85.7	2430	1330
282.42	3360	109.8	10.88	73.17	282.78	3	3	5.3	3.8	281.98	3200	100.8	2430	1520
283.59	3920	142.1	14.62	111.83	284	3	6	5.3	6.8	283.18	3720	127.1	2390	1900
284.8	4480	178.2	20.4	153.56	285.2	9	9	5.3	9.8	284.38	4280	175.9	2390	2460
286.01	5080	152.6	18.7	149.64	286.42	9	9	5.3	9.8	285.63	4920	166.2	2310	2410
287.23	5520	168.4	20.74	180.94	287.62	9	9	5.3	9.8	286.82	5360	169.2	2310	2330
288.43	5880	154.9	19.38	177.08	288.84	0	0	0	0	288.02	5760	152.6	2310	2350

with 5 degrees removed for your engines safety

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'118			
	Engine Speed	Intake Air Mass	Throttle Drive	Ignition		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition		Engine Speed	Intake Air	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure
TIME			Angle Sensor 1	Timing Angle	TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	TIME		Temperature	Solenoid Valve	(actual Value)
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar

889.37	1720	23.14	21.2	12	889.78	0	0	0	0	890.18	1720	21	0.8	1160
890.57	1720	28.83	93.3	12	890.99	0	0	0	0	891.41	1720	19	95.3	1190
891.78	1720	25.44	98.8	12	892.19	0	0	0	0	892.59	1840	18	95.3	1210
892.99	2040	34.08	100	7.5	893.4	0	0	0	0	893.8	2360	17	95.3	1290
894.2	2520	43.5	100	11.3	894.61	0	0	0	0	895.01	2840	16	95.3	1400
895.41	3000	57.61	100	12	895.82	0	0	0	0	896.22	3360	15	95.3	1620
896.64	3520	78.86	100	11.3	897.02	3	0	0	3	897.44	3880	15	95.3	2100
897.8	4040	128.72	99.2	4.5	898.14	3	6	0	3	898.55	4400	16	78	2430
898.94	4600	159.97	100	1.5	899.32	6	6	6	3	899.75	4960	16	60.8	2440
900.16	5160	146.72	100	3.8	900.56	6	6	6	3	900.92	5480	17	74.9	2390
901.27	5680	189.78	100	4.5	901.65	5.3	5.3	5.3	5.3	902.04	6040	18	65.5	2390
902.34	6160	185.81	100	3	902.66	5.3	5.3	5.3	5.3	903.07	6400	18	78	2350
903.47	6520	198.31	100	3	903.86	4.5	4.5	4.5	4.5	904.25	6720	21	76.9	2430
904.68	6800	199.53	100	2.3	905.07	4.5	3.8	4.5	3.8	905.53	6960	22	86.7	2410
905.89	7040	206.44	100	3	906.27	3.8	3.8	3.8	3.8	906.7	6400	23	0	1280

compare with a normal car, hybrid k03 on ibiza log below (wmi and extra timing)

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'118			
	RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.
TIME					TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar

65.02	1640	18.25	12.9	23.3	65.43	3	5.3	6	0.8	65.83	1640	17	90.6	1110
66.23	1680	25.97	100	18	66.63	0.8	3	5.3	0	67.04	1680	18	95.3	1220
67.44	1800	30.25	99.6	9	67.82	0	2.3	3.8	0	68.24	2200	18	95.3	1380
68.63	2400	53.58	100	12	69.02	0	2.3	3	0	69.42	2840	16	92.9	1970
69.81	3120	111.53	99.6	9.8	70.25	0	1.5	3.8	0	70.62	3600	17	70.6	2440
70.92	3760	127.36	99.6	13.5	71.35	0	1.5	3.8	0	71.75	4200	16	64.3	2410
72.13	4400	149.31	100	17.3	72.53	0	0.8	3.8	0	72.95	4760	17	59.2	2300
73.33	4920	174.83	100	18.8	73.71	0	0.8	3.8	0	74.04	5240	18	57.3	2310
74.41	5400	184.31	99.6	15.8	74.74	0	0.8	3.8	0	75.11	5640	19	57.6	2200
75.41	5760	186.61	100	17.3	75.72	0	0.8	3.8	0	76.14	6040	21	95.3	2210
76.54	6160	200.39	100	16.5	76.96	0	0.8	3	0	77.36	6440	23	95.3	2150
77.74	6560	204.56	100	17.3	78.12	0	0.8	3	0	78.53	6800	24	95.3	2140

GT30 example, no wmi tricks..

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'118			
	RPM	Mass Flow	Load	Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.
TIME					TIME					TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar

65.99	1600	11.81	5.5	32.3	66.39	0	0	0	0	66.79	1520	26	0	1010
67.2	1600	22.97	15.3	30.8	67.59	0	0	0	0	68.01	1600	24	94.5	1060
68.4	1600	27.39	74.9	28.5	68.8	0	0	0	0	69.22	1760	22	94.5	1120
69.6	1920	31.06	83.1	24.8	70	0	0	0	0	70.33	2200	21	89	1210
70.72	2400	47.58	92.5	32.3	71.12	0	0	0	0	71.55	2760	20	90.6	1350
71.92	2920	67.44	99.2	33.8	72.36	0	0	0	0	72.72	3280	20	86.3	1620
73.16	3480	119.56	99.6	15	73.55	0	0	0	0	73.95	3920	21	77.3	2420
74.34	4200	178.92	99.6	11.3	74.73	0	0	0	0	75.16	4720	21	78.4	2400
75.55	4960	211.83	100	12	75.96	0	0	0	0	76.35	5440	24	86.3	2410
76.74	5680	242.03	100	21	77.04	0	0	0	0	77.46	6000	26	82.7	2390
77.88	6200	257.06	100	15.8	78.26	0	0	0	0	78.68	6480	29	89	2420
79.09	6600	262.56	99.6	18.8	79.46	0	0	0	0	79.86	6800	32	91.4	2250
80.29	6880	259.06	100	23.3	80.69	0	0	0	0	81.11	7000	35	91.8	2270
81.47	7080	262.06	100	22.5	81.87	0	0	0	0	82.3	7200	38	92.5	2280
82.69	7320	266.11	100	22.5	83.08	0	0	0	0	83.51	7560	40	91.8	2300

 

[Phillc]

Cheers Bill, well its all done and i can feel the difference the torques back, it now accelerates harder, just need to do the logs, i am just plodding around until i know what its doing. I have made a new turbo pipe to go between the turbo and the charge pipe the old one was quite restrictive and looked crap. I also found some headlight washer jets i liked, the pop out ones where going to be a PITA to fit and i could of ended up scrapping the bumper so decided to go for these, they are from a Porsche 944 and do the job very nicely, they are all wired up into properly courtesy of Kofatech who make the looms, they only work when the lights are on and only after the stalk has been held back continuously for a few of seconds, and only squirt for a few seconds. Also thought i would post a pic of my old water pump and the new one.

 

[ibizacupra]

erm, where the rest of your water pump impellor?

 

[Willie]

Finally confirmation of the existence of the elusive metal impellored water pump

 

[Ronin225]

Those washer jets look much sleeker than the chunky honda ones
If you need a hand doing the logging give me a shout
I may ask you to quickly log mine too so i can see if next months 3" TIP brings some gain