LCR W.I.P Update K04 Hybrid- F23 Here, mini review page 50

[rsmith]

cool, good luck fella!

Thanks

Well Done mate, hoping you get some great results. Now you can see there is a big difference between a stock k04 and a hybrid.

Cheers Willy, yeah i noticed the second i got into the car, it even sounds different, hard to describe, definetly more of a whistle off her, still shocked at the spool up time.

 

[ibizacupra]

What an evening, I just got back from picking up my car and all I can say is holy fu$k its awesome, as it stands it is completely uncivilised and just angry, I had a 50miles journey to collect it and i had to take it easy most of the way, on some of the slower roads my curiosity got the best of me and I gave the throttle a little blip here and there, i cannot believe how well this flows and how fast the spool is, its completely savage.

I will post pics of the stuff that was removed tomorrow but is in shockingly got condition, i guess it has only 40k on it.

Early start tomorrow, will be at the tuners all day to see what we can get out of here, if i have internet access i will post up power runs as we do them, it should be very very interested.

good luck

did he go gasketless in the end?

 

[paul-murphys]

roobbie like bill said did you use a gasket in the end and hows the mapping been? all sorted now ?

i got to get the grinder ou, didnt want to but seems only option

 

[Rocky Rocastle]

i had one of them Kenwood HU and it was completely over my head......

installation and removal = ball ache

 

[rsmith]

good luck

did he go gasketless in the end?

Yeah we ended up using the gasket, the manif and turbo would not fit today without blowing without it, this is a new worry for me and i think i will get buy another OE gasket and drill it out.

i got to get the grinder ou, didnt want to but seems only option

Deja vu

 

[rsmith]

Tuning part 1 :-(

Well it was a disappointing day, I should have known from the minute i got up there was a power cut, then i got stuck on the motorway for extra 2hrs due to a lorry shedding its load.

So eventually i got to the tuner, 3hrs late!! this already put us behind.

After many different files we tried today, we could not get this CR k04 to flow more than 256g/s, you think 256 g/s * 1.25 = 320bhp, NO, it did not translate to the dyno at all. This turbo is a spiky Mo Fo, its currently hitting 1.9ar and 1.5bar at red line, the Forge Unos MBC needs a softer spring, it was not bleeding the boost off at all and the N75 struggled and still is to control boost.

While the logs look outstanding, 256g/s, 1.5bar at redline, it is not translating to the dyno, it only pulled 284hp and a linear 280lb/ft at 3500rpm to 5800rpm, it feels so much quicker on the road, so confused.

While we had limited time today and obviously i WILL need to go back, but i could see the tuner even confused by these results.

I would really appreciate your thoughts guys, i remember Bill started off with Steve's hybrid with similar results but i am not sure how he got around it to the staggering 280g/s it started pulling.

 

[wild willy]

Your main problem i recon is your actuator pressure is set too high which causes very spikey control. Test it with a pump and it will probably measure 1 bar, this is too high and best replaced with a 9psi version which will control the spiking way better.
It sounds like your using an honest dyno which would probably report stage2 LCR's at around 260bhp so in context your gains are good.
The flat torque curve is what its all about, don't be too downbeat your setup rocks it just needs a few subtle tweaks to break into the genuine 300 bhp league.

 

[rsmith]

Your main problem i recon is your actuator pressure is set too high which causes very spikey control. Test it with a pump and it will probably measure 1 bar, this is too high and best replaced with a 9psi version which will control the spiking way better.
It sounds like your using an honest dyno which would probably report stage2 LCR's at around 260bhp so in context your gains are good.
The flat torque curve is what its all about, don't be too downbeat your setup rocks it just needs a few subtle tweaks to break into the genuine 300 bhp league.

Its a super honest Dyno, i can live with this, the torque really translates well to the road alright, but it only made 6hp more than what it did on a stage2 with WMI, WTF.

Yeah i got the 9psi actuator as per Bill recommendation.

Here are some logs to BTW.

Group A:	'002				Group B:	'115				Group C:
	RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.	
TIME					TIME					TIME
STAMP	 /min	 %	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP
0.59	1760	17.3	1.7	6.03	0.01	1840	16.5	1010	1010	0.29
1.51	1640	18	1.7	5.56	0.9	1720	17.3	1010	1010	1.21
2.41	1560	22.6	2.04	7.28	1.8	1600	21.8	1010	1010	2.11
3.32	1560	26.3	2.38	8.61	2.72	1560	22.6	1010	1010	3.02
4.21	1680	33.8	2.72	11.64	3.62	1600	33.1	1010	1010	3.91
5.12	1800	32.3	2.72	11	4.53	1720	35.3	1010	1010	4.83
6.03	1840	29.3	2.38	10.64	5.43	1800	28.6	1010	1020	5.73
6.94	1880	28.6	2.38	10.53	6.34	1840	29.3	1010	1020	6.63
7.84	1920	28.6	2.38	10.5	7.24	1880	28.6	1010	1020	7.54
8.75	1920	27.8	2.38	10.28	8.15	1920	27.8	1010	1020	8.45
9.64	1960	84.2	6.8	34.47	9.05	1920	39.1	1240	1010	9.35
10.56	1960	96.2	7.82	38.31	9.95	1960	88	1900	1130	10.26
11.46	1960	103.8	8.5	40.64	10.86	1960	99.2	1920	1250	11.16
12.36	2280	112.8	9.18	51.47	11.76	2000	104.5	1930	1320	12.06
13.27	3000	149.6	11.9	98.64	12.67	2520	118	2080	1450	12.97
14.18	3640	191.7	18.36	174.08	13.58	3200	175.9	2260	2090	13.88
15.09	4160	191.7	18.36	184.67	14.47	3840	191.7	2480	2540	14.78
15.99	4720	191.7	19.38	206.25	15.39	4320	191.7	2550	2540	15.69
16.9	5240	191.7	18.36	222.61	16.29	4920	191.7	2550	2540	16.6
17.8	5760	191.7	17.34	238.14	17.2	5400	191.7	2550	2540	17.5
18.72	6240	191.7	16.66	244.92	18.1	5920	191.7	2550	2470	18.41
19.62	6720	189.5	14.96	246.69	19.01	6400	191.7	2550	2450	19.31
20.52	5720	14.3	1.36	7.97	19.91	6760	191.7	1010	2440	20.23
										
40.42	2680	32.3	2.38	16.56	39.83	2640	31.6	1010	1030	40.13
41.34	2720	31.6	2.72	16.39	40.74	2680	32.3	1010	1030	41.04
42.24	2720	28.6	2.38	15.28	41.64	2720	27.8	1010	1040	41.94
43.14	2840	93.2	7.48	59.25	42.55	2720	28.6	1010	1030	42.85
44.05	2880	144.4	11.22	90.97	43.45	2840	109	2130	1330	43.75
44.96	2880	191.7	16.32	122.56	44.36	2880	164.7	2160	1940	44.66
45.86	2880	191.7	16.66	110.17	45.26	2920	191.7	2160	2540	45.56
46.77	3200	191.7	14.96	124.19	46.17	2880	191.7	2160	2430	46.47
47.68	3840	191.7	15.64	155.58	47.07	3400	191.7	2320	2310	47.37
48.58	4440	191.7	17	179.36	47.98	4040	191.7	2550	2450	48.28
49.49	5000	191.7	17	206.5	48.88	4640	191.7	2550	2490	49.18
50.39	5520	191.7	16.32	229.03	49.79	5200	191.7	2550	2440	50.09
51.3	6040	191.7	17	243.03	50.69	5720	191.7	2550	2440	50.99
52.2	6520	191.7	15.64	247.58	51.6	6200	191.7	2550	2500	51.91
53.11	6040	12	1.36	21.39	52.51	6720	189.5	2550	2460	52.81
54.01	4600	15	1.36	11.47	53.41	5520	14.3	1010	1300	53.71
54.93	5720	26.3	1.7	9.11	54.31	4160	12	1010	1090	54.62
55.82	4760	14.3	1.36	12.14	55.22	5360	13.5	1010	1290	55.52
56.73	3520	12.8	0	8.36	56.12	4400	14.3	1010	1080	56.43
57.63	5360	39.8	2.04	30.5	57.02	3160	12.8	1010	1040	57.33
58.54	4520	14.3	1.36	10.86	57.93	5040	13.5	1010	1290	58.24
59.43	3320	12	0	7.75	58.84	4120	14.3	1010	1070	59.13
60.36	5240	15.8	1.36	3.56	59.75	3040	22.6	1930	1020	60.05
61.25	4320	15	1.36	11.75	60.65	4920	14.3	1010	1230	60.95
62.15	3120	12.8	1.7	8	61.56	3920	13.5	1010	1060	61.86
63.06	4880	13.5	1.36	6.69	62.46	3760	85.7	2100	990	62.76
63.97	3920	14.3	1.36	10.17	63.37	4560	14.3	1010	1140	63.67
64.87	2880	12.8	0	7.28	64.27	3080	13.5	1010	1050	64.56
65.77	2520	13.5	0	6.5	65.18	2760	13.5	1010	1040	65.47
66.68	2200	15.8	1.36	6.47	66.07	2400	13.5	1010	1030	66.38
67.59	2400	61.7	4.76	30.36	66.98	2200	35.3	1010	1010	67.29
68.5	2600	72.2	5.78	40.22	67.89	2480	26.3	1010	1090	68.19
69.4	3200	90.2	6.46	59.31	68.8	2800	82	1280	1160	69.1
70.31	3680	74.4	5.44	45	69.7	3360	88	1280	1510	70.01
71.21	3920	45.9	3.4	31.14	70.61	3800	66.2	1010	1400	70.91
72.12	4040	39.1	3.06	29.83	71.51	3960	42.1	1010	1150	71.82
73.02	4080	35.3	2.72	27.36	72.42	4080	36.1	1010	1110	72.72
73.93	4080	27.8	2.38	21.81	73.33	4120	36.1	1010	1090	73.63
74.83	4000	23.3	2.04	17.39	74.23	4080	26.3	1010	1070	74.53
75.74	3880	23.3	2.04	17.42	75.14	3960	22.6	1010	1050	75.44
76.64	3960	106	8.16	101.08	76.04	3840	23.3	1010	1040	76.34
77.55	4160	191.7	18.7	199.06	76.95	4000	146.6	2500	1730	77.25
78.45	4080	191.7	19.04	193.28	77.84	4160	191.7	2550	2540	78.15
79.36	4080	191.7	19.38	191.58	78.76	4080	191.7	2550	2540	79.06
80.26	4160	191.7	19.38	193.31	79.66	4080	191.7	2530	2540	79.96
81.17	4800	191.7	19.38	218.33	80.57	4360	191.7	2550	2540	80.87
82.08	5320	191.7	18.7	232.92	81.47	4960	191.7	2550	2540	81.77
82.98	5840	191.7	17.34	241.53	82.38	5480	191.7	2550	2540	82.68
83.89	6320	191.7	15.64	247.67	83.28	6000	191.7	2550	2470	83.58
84.8	6800	191	14.62	248.61	84.19	6480	191.7	2550	2470	84.5
85.7	5800	14.3	1.36	10.08	85.1	6960	188	1380	2410	85.39
86.6	4480	14.3	1.36	11.67	86	5240	15	1010	1200	86.3
87.51	5560	15	1.36	8.22	86.9	5600	98.5	1010	1170	87.21
88.41	4600	12.8	0	9.89	87.81	5280	15	1010	1130	88.11
89.32	5040	89.5	6.12	117.92	88.7	4120	12.8	1010	1060	89.01
90.22	4560	14.3	1.36	10.47	89.62	5200	13.5	1010	1330	89.92
91.12	3720	12	0	8.83	90.52	4280	14.3	1010	1080	90.83
92.02	3960	12	0	9.75	91.43	3800	11.3	1010	1040	91.73
92.94	3440	12.8	0	8.89	92.33	3840	12.8	1010	1030	92.63
93.83	2480	13.5	0	6.69	93.23	3200	13.5	1010	1030	93.54
94.74	1240	14.3	1.02	4.06	94.13	2040	15	1010	1030	94.45
95.64	960	30.1	2.72	7.78	95.05	1040	21.8	1010	1020	95.34
96.56	920	21.8	1.7	3.86	95.95	1080	23.3	1010	1010	96.25
97.45	760	22.6	1.7	3.36	96.86	840	21.8	1010	1010	97.15
98.36	760	21.8	2.04	3.22	97.77	760	22.6	1010	1010	98.06

 

[Murdered LCR]

Hate to say it but TOLD YOU SO

 

[rsmith]

Hate to say it but TOLD YOU SO

BS, Rome wasn't build in a day and this was only 4hrs on the dyno, Bill has already proven what can be achieved with these Hybrids.

Its weirds, it super rapid on the road, i spun up in 3rd on the way home on good tarmac in the dry and good warmed up tyres, the logs are good, but the dyno is not giving the figure.

 

[wild willy]

logs look good to be fair, 6bhp more than stage 2 does not translate at all. Did you run your car on stage 2 on this dyno. I'd wager that the actuator has not been correctly supplied....CRturbos are obsessed with higher actuator pressures you must measure it to be sure.

 

[rsmith]

logs look good to be fair, 6bhp more than stage 2 does not translate at all. Did you run your car on stage 2 on this dyno. I'd wager that the actuator has not been correctly supplied....CRturbos are obsessed with higher actuator pressures you must measure it to be sure.

I have always used this Dyno, i always try and use the same dyno.I need to check out the actuator.Is testing it hard to do Willy?

 

[Murdered LCR]

Get that gt28 you have all ways wanted ,lol , you must be gutted but never mind time to eat your hat lol

 

[wild willy]

Hate to say it but TOLD YOU SO

Dan, take a day off.

 

[wild willy]

I have always used this Dyno, i always try and use the same dyno.I need to check out the actuator.Is testing it hard to do Willy?

Dead easy mate, get a bike / car pump and connect to actuator nipple and slowly inflate until actuator initiates first movement and note the pessure measured...... job done.
You see mr Smith in Dan's case Jelousy is a terrible thing.

 

[rsmith]

Dead easy mate, get a bike / car pump and connect to actuator nipple and slowly inflate until actuator initiates first movement and note the pessure measured...... job done.
You see mr Smith in Dan's case Jelousy is a terrible thing.

Cool, i will get this tested.Yeah Dan relax, i could go for a crap and be done by time a Gt28 spools up

 

[Murdered LCR]

Just saying what I said befor the hybrid was brought ,

 

[Murdered LCR]

Oh I'm so not jealous as if a hybrid was worth it I would have one , but there not hence I don't , Gt28 arnt that bad and when that power does kick in you will have a bigger smile than the joker , either way who's cares it's not my car/money etc just stating what I said in the 1st place

 

[rsmith]

Oh I'm so not jealous as if a hybrid was worth it I would have one , but there not hence I don't , Gt28 arnt that bad and when that power does kick in you will have a bigger smile than the joker , either way who's cares it's not my car/money etc just stating what I said in the 1st place

Only winding u up, Its a work in progress, nothing ventured, nothing gained is my view.

 

[Murdered LCR]

I actually hope you do make decent power as you should with wmi and the new mani Least I don't have to eat my hat .... Yet