Hybrid K04 Turbo Discussion

[Mitchy]

. If you get more than 10bhp more at the wheels with a custom map as opposed to a stage 2 map tweak I'll prob go custom map.
SIE achieved 30bhp more ATW compared to my stage two on the same day but he did up his boost a little, imoh this should be quite noticeable to the butt dyno although Scotty's cautious feedback is a little disapointing. Maybe we are expecting too much.

Sie recorded 273whp and if we take the ''normal 40bhp'' loss that would equate to around 313bhp @ flywheel without being proper mapped

Im not sure if i believe that or not as are we then saying this turbo can achieve 320bhp when proper mapped

It will be good to compare on the same day when JBS eventually re-open their rollers for the next SCN RR day.

Carl, do you think its possible for Sie's horsepower reading to show what it did because of his high torque spike earlier on? Torque and bhp are related, im just wondering if this torque spike created Sie's impressive 273whp figure

Sie, if your reading bud, im not trying to disprove your figures as fingers crossed i hope they are correct, im just trying to understand that with normal 40bhp losses on a chipped LCR that 315-320 is achievable with this turbo.

(I think its safe to assume 40bhp losses at our spec, seeing as standard 210/225 cars lose 30-35bhp. Losses are not a fixed % nor are they a fixed certain figure and losses grow the higher and higher up the scale you go)

Bill if you dont mind me asking, do you have any wheel figures vs your fly figures and what losses were you showing? It's just im trying to understand the relation between fly and wheel figures when a car is tuned. I know it grows but at to what extent? Is it safe to assume because you are a lot higher tuned than any of us your losses are greater? (50-60bhp?)

I suppose i'll find all this out when its properly mapped as jabba can calculate fly figures

I will be dissapointed though if it does not break through 300. I think i'll give this modding malarky up then if it fails lol

 

[wild willy]

Mitchy,
I've studied SIE's graph and that ain't no spike. That is what the turbo is mean't to reach ie. my figs were 244bhp...315ft/lbs @ 1.4 bar.

SIE had same software, hybrid and ramped up boost a little. His graphs are a mirror of mine except upscaled a bit.
When fettled I recon jabba will get you same figs at less boost. (1.4bar)
I would seriously consider having a custom mani from jbs if funds permit mate.

 

[Scotty_b]

Still waiting on JBS to get the equal length mani up and running as this is something i would really want before getting another remap. Trouble is in the mena tim ethe peliquin diff is calling for £700 fitted

 

[wild willy]

Still waiting on JBS to get the equal length mani up and running as this is something i would really want before getting another remap. Trouble is in the mena tim ethe peliquin diff is calling for £700 fitted

thats a very good fitted price for a diff.

 

[Scotty_b]

Thats what i thought, i was under the impression they were £1k to £1.5. That doesn’t include clutch etc though which would be an idea to do. I know pelquin do a lifetime guarantee but there’s an issue with the quafe one, or something along those lines. From past readings as well the peliqin parts were supposed to be mildly better i think, but ive never seen a comparison so there maybe a good reason why its cheaper

 

[wild willy]

Who is offering this deal.

 

[ibizacupra]

Would be good to see Bill.

Are you quietly confident its quicker and faster than james's jabbasport golf

ibiza is more aero than a mk2 golf & I have more power

 

[ibizacupra]

Sie recorded 273whp and if we take the ''normal 40bhp'' loss that would equate to around 313bhp @ flywheel without being proper mapped

Im not sure if i believe that or not as are we then saying this turbo can achieve 320bhp when proper mapped

It will be good to compare on the same day when JBS eventually re-open their rollers for the next SCN RR day.

Carl, do you think its possible for Sie's horsepower reading to show what it did because of his high torque spike earlier on? Torque and bhp are related, im just wondering if this torque spike created Sie's impressive 273whp figure

Sie, if your reading bud, im not trying to disprove your figures as fingers crossed i hope they are correct, im just trying to understand that with normal 40bhp losses on a chipped LCR that 315-320 is achievable with this turbo.

(I think its safe to assume 40bhp losses at our spec, seeing as standard 210/225 cars lose 30-35bhp. Losses are not a fixed % nor are they a fixed certain figure and losses grow the higher and higher up the scale you go)

Bill if you dont mind me asking, do you have any wheel figures vs your fly figures and what losses were you showing? It's just im trying to understand the relation between fly and wheel figures when a car is tuned. I know it grows but at to what extent? Is it safe to assume because you are a lot higher tuned than any of us your losses are greater? (50-60bhp?)

I suppose i'll find all this out when its properly mapped as jabba can calculate fly figures

I will be dissapointed though if it does not break through 300. I think i'll give this modding malarky up then if it fails lol

I think the @ wheels was 435bhp or there abouts... 50bhp tranny losses..
dyno dependant as usual I expect tho.
this was on jbs's dyno.

not been anywhere else yet

 

[Yumann]

Still waiting on JBS to get the equal length mani up and running as this is something i would really want before getting another remap. Trouble is in the mena tim ethe peliquin diff is calling for £700 fitted

Thats an amazing deal if thats true as a Peloquin diff in the UK is £670inc vat alone. So £30 for 16h labour

Whos doing the deal?

 

[Scotty_b]

That was from VAG tech in MK, where i had my turbo fitted. Waiting for the turbo to be sold then its going in. Think ive plumped for diff etc before a new remap

 

[wild willy]

Did you get the tubby fitted today Mitchy.

 

[Mitchy]

Yes mate, i did

Because the need for the turbo to be run in gently for the 1st 100miles or so i didn't really give it any stick on the way home last night.

I did put the foot down momentarily to see what kind of boost levels it was achieving. Before, i was peaking at 22psi and holding around 18-19. On the run home last night, i was peaking at 24psi and holding around 21-22. I dont know if thats something jabba will have to sort out?

It also seemed a bit quicker to get upto max boost (Funny i thought as i were expecting more lag, with the bigger wheel )

I never bothered turning the B.C down as i wanted to see if there was any hesitations up at the top end, ie ignition retard, pulling back as im still on the 3 bar FPR but it seemed to be fine It pulled strongly around.
I took it up and down to around 6000rpm 2-3 times in 4th gear and there was definitely a noticeable improvement over what i had at the beginning of the day. Its hard to explain, but it seemed smoother and stronger than before.

I would have estimated my power levels before this turbo was fitted at 280-285bhp and i definitely noticed an improvement on the way home last night so i am pretty confident with proper mapping it will break 300! (Ive gone and put my foot in it now lol, it probably wont break 290 never mind 300 )

JBS reccomend a run in period of around 500 miles before mapping so by the 15th i should have easily passed that I cant wait now

Carl, if your fitting yourself, you do need quite a few extra things that you may not have thought about (You lose your coolant, so you'll need a bottle of G12)

A new clamp for the TIP at the turbo end (only supposed to use once) Along with a couple of washers for the coolant/oil lines and obviously the gaskets. Exhaust manifold to turbo and turbo to DP.

Also reccomended is an oil change, although i didn't bother as i only changed mine 2000miles ago and ive got a service next month aswell so didnt bother!

All in my bill come to £265 which i thought was very reasonable, considering the parts above along with the labour!

I would reccomend getting it installed professionally by a tuning company

 

[Feel]

Yes mate, i did

Because the need for the turbo to be run in gently for the 1st 100miles or so i didn't really give it any stick on the way home last night.

I did put the foot down momentarily to see what kind of boost levels it was achieving. Before, i was peaking at 22psi and holding around 18-19. On the run home last night, i was peaking at 24psi and holding around 21-22. I dont know if thats something jabba will have to sort out?

It also seemed a bit quicker to get upto max boost (Funny i thought as i were expecting more lag, with the bigger wheel )

I never bothered turning the B.C down as i wanted to see if there was any hesitations up at the top end, ie ignition retard, pulling back as im still on the 3 bar FPR but it seemed to be fine It pulled strongly around.
I took it up and down to around 6000rpm 2-3 times in 4th gear and there was definitely a noticeable improvement over what i had at the beginning of the day. Its hard to explain, but it seemed smoother and stronger than before.

I would have estimated my power levels before this turbo was fitted at 280-285bhp and i definitely noticed an improvement on the way home last night so i am pretty confident with proper mapping it will break 300! (Ive gone and put my foot in it now lol, it probably wont break 290 never mind 300 )

JBS reccomend a run in period of around 500 miles before mapping so by the 15th i should have easily passed that I cant wait now

Carl, if your fitting yourself, you do need quite a few extra things that you may not have thought about (You lose your coolant, so you'll need a bottle of G12)

A new clamp for the TIP at the turbo end (only supposed to use once) Along with a couple of washers for the coolant/oil lines and obviously the gaskets. Exhaust manifold to turbo and turbo to DP.

Also reccomended is an oil change, although i didn't bother as i only changed mine 2000miles ago and ive got a service next month aswell so didnt bother!

All in my bill come to £265 which i thought was very reasonable, considering the parts above along with the labour!

I would reccomend getting it installed professionally by a tuning company

Sie said the same about the improved spool - probably down to the clipped turbine and the slower shaft speed.

Breaking 300 will depend very much on which rollers.

£265 seems like a good price.

 

[Mitchy]

I intend to go to all 3 RR's to compare mate. (Jabba/JBS/Awesome)

Jabba i do believe have sorted themselves out with a new more accurate set of rollers. (i'll get a result from them on the 15th), then im booked in with JBS again for a service in the new year where ill have a run and Awesome are only 45mins up the road so ill get a chance of all 3, within the next couple of months!

If all 3 break 270 @ wheels i'll be pretty confident in the car pushing out over 300 @ flywheel.

But hey who knows, rolling road lotteries and all that

 

[wild willy]

Yes mate, i did

Because the need for the turbo to be run in gently for the 1st 100miles or so i didn't really give it any stick on the way home last night.

I did put the foot down momentarily to see what kind of boost levels it was achieving. Before, i was peaking at 22psi and holding around 18-19. On the run home last night, i was peaking at 24psi and holding around 21-22. I dont know if thats something jabba will have to sort out?

It also seemed a bit quicker to get upto max boost (Funny i thought as i were expecting more lag, with the bigger wheel )

I never bothered turning the B.C down as i wanted to see if there was any hesitations up at the top end, ie ignition retard, pulling back as im still on the 3 bar FPR but it seemed to be fine It pulled strongly around.
I took it up and down to around 6000rpm 2-3 times in 4th gear and there was definitely a noticeable improvement over what i had at the beginning of the day. Its hard to explain, but it seemed smoother and stronger than before.

I would have estimated my power levels before this turbo was fitted at 280-285bhp and i definitely noticed an improvement on the way home last night so i am pretty confident with proper mapping it will break 300! (Ive gone and put my foot in it now lol, it probably wont break 290 never mind 300 )

JBS reccomend a run in period of around 500 miles before mapping so by the 15th i should have easily passed that I cant wait now

Carl, if your fitting yourself, you do need quite a few extra things that you may not have thought about (You lose your coolant, so you'll need a bottle of G12)

A new clamp for the TIP at the turbo end (only supposed to use once) Along with a couple of washers for the coolant/oil lines and obviously the gaskets. Exhaust manifold to turbo and turbo to DP.

Also reccomended is an oil change, although i didn't bother as i only changed mine 2000miles ago and ive got a service next month aswell so didnt bother!

All in my bill come to £265 which i thought was very reasonable, considering the parts above along with the labour!

I would reccomend getting it installed professionally by a tuning company

Good news mate, and sound advice. I'll seriously consider taking it to JBS.
Glad the butt dyno can feel a positive difference.
How long did they take to fit it.

 

[Mitchy]

Good news mate, and sound advice. I'll seriously consider taking it to JBS.
Glad the butt dyno can feel a positive difference.
How long did they take to fit it.

I was charged for 4 hrs labour but i was at JBS all day as there was a problem with the gaskets. (k03 arrived packaged as a k04, so no fault of JBS)

Luckily though they managed to source a new gasket an hours drive away so Mike had a nice trip to Nottingham and back in friday afternoon traffic just to pick up the gasket so that set us back a couple of hrs. They stayed open late just to finish my car off so i was happy with the service

But yes £265 all in i thought was very reasonable

 

[Scotty_b]

Wild i would say best to get it done at a garage too as Vag Tech had to clip a bit of the housing as when it was put back together it wasn’t 100% (a nats **** off on a bolt position makes a big difference)

Its hard to explain how the car feels, the best thing i can say is it feels "solid", like the cars toned up.

Mines been set on 9 and 9 on revo and its mental, spins up in fourth! But ive since dropped it back down to keep the tyres for the summer!

 

[wild willy]

Have either of you logged group 31 in vagcom (A/F ratio) to check you ain't running lean.
Also air mass g/s should give an indication of improved bhp.

 

[Scotty_b]

No im going out today to get some logs so was going to look at which blocks to log

 

[Scotty_b]

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1166835&posted=1#post1166835

New logs folks, there only the first rough ones and i will be playing with my sps and doing some more