Dobies SEAT, Carlisle

englishhaggis

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Not sure how many Carlisle folk there are on here, but this dealership has only recently opened. Has anyone had the pleasure yet?

I've got my car booked in for next Tuesday to check out the 'mooing' noise coming from the engine... suspected N75 valve (so i'm told). :shrug:

Will be sure to report back on my experience...
 

englishhaggis

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Oh dear...

:headhurt: So far the news isn't great.

In my work as an e-learning designer I've helped to produce several training programmes for motor manufacturers aimed at improving their behaviour towards customers. It seems many manufacturers previously didn't recognise how important the relationship was between a good customer experience and better sales. Put simply, treat the customer well before and after sales and they will return, often with their friends and relatives. Treat them poorly and not only won't they return but they will make sure their friends and relatives don't either.

It's not like it's hard to do either - it's mostly about communication. For instance, when you ring up to book your car in for a service, there's a huge difference between saying, "There's no one around to help, can you call back later?"; and "There's no one around to help, let me take your number and someone will call you back."

When I took my car in to have the noise checked out my first contact was with the receptionist, who I have to say, was very pleasant. Although her first words to me (after establishing who I was) were that the service dept were all out at lunch and probably wouldn't be back for another 5-10 mins :blink: . Well, ok I thought, but I'm not late for the appointment you gave me, so...

I then realised that almost everyone in this enormous open-plan showroom were now having their lunch! So I had a 30 minute wait surrounded by grey Vauxhalls :headhurt: (yes, you have to sit in the Vauxhall showroom to wait) before anyone spoke to me again. All the while the deathly silence broken only by chewing noises and rustling paper as a salesman a few feet away sat at his desk devouring a bag of chips.

Eventually, the service manager emerged and asked the receptionist loudly, "which one is Mr ***?" (Maybe I wasn't supposed to hear but I felt like sticking my hand up). I sat obediently quiet wishing i was somewhere else, away from the sound of mastication. The receptionist pointed at me, "The chap in the blue t-shirt."

I was then informed that my car needs a new something-or-other-valve (is that too technical?) which would take a day or two to get. They would call me when it came in. "Ok, that's not too bad", I thought, and went home.

It's now nearly two weeks later and I hadn't heard a thing, so I rang up... At first they didn't seem to have a clue what I was talking about and I had to explain the whole story again, even down to the date that I took my car in. Luckily the paperwork magically appeared and the penny dropped. "Ah, yes. It says here that someone will ring you when the part comes in, ok?" said the voice. "Yes, but how long was I supposed to wait before assuming I'd been forgotten? Two days has already turned into almost two weeks." says I. "Yeah, sorry about that. Someone will ring you though."

Ok, so I'm not royalty, and i don't expect to be treated as such by the dealer. I'm just one of many hundreds of customers who've taken the decision to hand over their hard-earned cash for one of their products. All I ask is that they look past the end of their noses at the effect their behaviour can have on the broader customer experience. They should, at the very least, pretend to be interested when the time comes that you need their help.

Thing is, we all love our cars. We're enthusiastic about the SEAT brand and want it to prosper. But if our experience of after-sales indicates that they don't feel the same, what will be the eventual outcome? Will we buy from them again? Will we recommend them to our friends? I suspect in many cases the answer will be 'no'.

So, come on SEAT, get your act together - trust me, many of your competitors are way ahead of the game on this one.
 
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healy6660

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Haggis
Have had to deal with the dealer at their Workington Poxall site with our company estate car
Find it very easy to relate to the story your telling
I was going to use them to avoid B&H in Whitehaven, as they seem to be very expensive
Think I'll go to an independant non specialist (I already have a tame one) and stuff the Stealer chain
thanks for the tip off
 

englishhaggis

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I'm going to have to back-track a little... :redface:

Since making the above post, it seems Dobies have given themselves a shake.
I've had at least 5-6 calls from the Sales Manager in the last couple of weeks who has personally taken up my case to get the condensated rear light (http://seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=124325) replaced under warranty. SEAT UK have clearly been dragging their feet over this, but I guess that's not Dobies' problem.

I can't comment on how expensive they are since I've only had warranty stuff to deal with, but I imagine they're much the same across the network.

I bought my car from B&H in Whitehaven as there wasn't a dealer in Carlisle at the time. I have to say that I was very impressed with them as the extra-friendly sales guy seemed to pull out all the stops to get me my car asap. He even gave me his own iPod connector lead which i thought was a nice touch.

Anyway, I digress...

I'm not convinced that this sudden ultra-attentiveness is normal behaviour for Dobies and I'm beginning to suspect it may even be a result of them reading this thread. Hey, I hope so!

Whatever the reason, for me anyway, they have redeemed themselves somewhat and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I'm still going to go to my independent chap for regular servicing/maintenance, but only because i have done for years and i trust him to do a good job. Recent experiences aside, if I didn't know someone like that I would probably be giving Dobies a chance.
 

healy6660

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Mar 30, 2007
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Cheers Haggis
I may give them a go when the need arrises
The sales man at B&H is a friend of mine so I will let him know you were impressed (he is a nice guy anyway and has been in the trade a long time, he also plays a mean game of darts)
I just don't have a great deal of confidence in the service department, and they are expensive
hey ho
 

ibizaneal

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hey guys, talking about dealers in carlisle, have you tried Telfords across the road?(yes i know they're a skoda and hiyundai dealer) but they have excellent service and are a registered SEAT uk service center, i bought my motor from there and have had no problems with their service.
 

ibizaneal

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iv just been into dobies to order parts and found them very helpfull, they were the only ones that could get me the part i needed, everywhere else told me i had to buy a complete lighting cluster! but then again iv not tried them for servicing yet.
 

englishhaggis

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SEAT UK, please could you ask your tea-lady to explain the phrase 'customer service' to Dobies in Carlisle?

When I dropped off my car for some warranty work, I was discussing with the sales guy the idea of trading in for a brand new Leon FR. But after the way i've been d!cked around, I think I'll give it a miss.

Will provide details later - I'm too angry to write sensibly about it just now.

[:@]
 
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Wyle E. Coyote

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I bought my car from Dobies and i dealt with the Sales Manager, he was really good, knowledgable and really seemed to be "into" the cars. Since then Ive heard allsorts about Dobies SEAT. They have no staff as they treat them poorly, the Sales Manager walked out, and do not have a fully qualified SEAT mechanic. How true this is I dont know but i do know that their aftersales is a disgrace. I picked up my new car and they couldnt even code the radio and i had a workshop booking cancelled 3 times! Since then ive used Telfords over the road and there is a new dealer on the Kendal Motor Village which is good (if not a bit far).....but id drive to Spain to get my car looked at rather than let those monkeys look at it.
 
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scotbren

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ive been trying to buy a car from seat in carlisle but seems they dont wanna no. they say they cant get an fr in for me to test drive then in the next breath say if i want the car i mite not be able 2 choose the colour. whats the point in buyin a new car if you dont get what you want. also the guy new nothing about seats, how can you sell some thing you no nothing about. its shocking.
 
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englishhaggis

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Scotbren, I feel your pain. But frankly, I've given up getting angry at them now. It's just not worth it as they are clearly blissfully unaware that anything's wrong.

3 times my car has been in for the same warranty work and 3 times it's come back with a different excuse as to why it hadn't been done.

I expect that one day it will be carried out successfully (I've bet myself £5 on it being the 9th visit) and I can get on with my life and ultimately move to a manufacturer who actually cares about their customer *after* they've driven away from the showroom.

Amusing that I recently received an 'invitation' to view the full range of SEATs at the weekend and get a 'free valuation' (free - does that mean it won't cost you your dignity, like usual?).

Maybe they just want some existing owners to go along and tell them about the cars they can't sell and know nothing about in all the colours that aren't available... Or is that a bit too cynical?

Seriously though, as I'm now looking at replacing my car, I have to accept that it won't be with another SEAT. Much as I love these cars, how can I contemplate buying another when my local dealer is seemingly so inept?
 
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englishhaggis

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If that's true then they should be even more ashamed of themselves. Who do they think they are? It's a shop, for chrissakes, just a retail outlet like any other.

I think it's a car dealer thing generally; they all seem to think that because their little shop sells something which is relatively expensive, they can pick and choose who to sell it to. Well I'm sorry, but no - in this economic climate an attitude like that does not make any sense.

Sure, I imagine there are a few time-wasters out there, but that's true of any retail experience. It's a risk they have to take to get sales.

This system of p1ssing everyone off indiscriminately and then hoping the more determined ones will come back for more is not recommended, but it seems to be the model these guys are failthfully adhering to even beyond the sales floor.
 

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:( Sorry to hear your of your problems Haggis.Much though i love Seat's,i feel some of their dealership network is pretty poor.Sometimes i've been treated like dirt,othertimes like a King.Really helps(even if you have to travel quite a bit) to find the right one.
Driver Power 2008(Auto Express) survey on dealer service.Seat came 24th out of 30.Skoda managed 2nd place,beating the likes of Porsche,Jaguar,BMW,Mercedes etc.If they can do it,why can't Seat?.
Quote. 'Bosses will need to be sitting down when they see these results,as only prices are praised.You've told us the Spanish firms dealers are failing to communicate-causing lasting damage.What's worse,Seat frachises are failing to learn from their mistakes:last year many of you said your car was always left dirty,and you've complained of the the same grubby habits in 2008'.

The prosecution rests,m'lud.......
 

Marshall

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I don't know how Dobies Carlisle stay open. My experience with them is they are keen to sell you the car but not interested in aftersales. As far as I heard Dobies Carlisle have lost there Seat technicians. Anyone else heard this?

Well used Dobies parts department today and found them very helpful and the staff had a good attitude lets hope it rubs off onto the service department.
 
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englishhaggis

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Well, the end of my relationship with Dobies SEAT has arrived.

On Saturday I finally traded my 56 Leon FR TDi for an 07 Audi A3 2.0TDi Sportback S-Line. [B)]

Sad to see the Leon go, but my after-sales experiences have put me off getting another SEAT. Maybe Audi dealers won't be all that much better, but it's worth a try... :shrug:

Cheers all.
 
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