Cupra at TSR

jc_boc

Missing the CUPRA R!
Jul 18, 2008
9,304
7
Desborough
2 months???!!!! Sheez!!!!! Good luck with the wait mate but I know the car is gonna be awesome once sorted. If I may ask, whar are the pistons costing you?
 

chuckb

Mo bark n' Mo grunt
Apr 4, 2010
1,083
0
Sunny Slough
I really hope all this works out for you, I know how you feel when mine went in last year it seemed for ever, two is better than four though my wait seemed interminable!:D

Hope the car fairies work their magic and it happens a bit sooner for you!!:)
 

GrDuDe_Cupra

Active Member
May 11, 2010
234
0
Ibizaracebrake, sorry to hear that mate. I was wondering was there no safety net from the remap to put you in safe mode once it detected that injectors were not spraying fuel?

To the people wondering whether this has to do with stage 1, 2 or 150, it really has nothing to do. it was tough luck that injectors failed and engine run out of fuel.
 

m0rk

sarcasm comes free
Staff member
May 19, 2001
27,787
33
Clanfield, UK
The engine won't monitor individual AFR's for cylinders, just the output across all four. So if an injector went down (which it sounds like it must have practically stopped all together) then the ECU would have increased the fuelling on the other three (within limits) before logging a fault.
 

GrDuDe_Cupra

Active Member
May 11, 2010
234
0
The engine won't monitor individual AFR's for cylinders, just the output across all four. So if an injector went down (which it sounds like it must have practically stopped all together) then the ECU would have increased the fuelling on the other three (within limits) before logging a fault.

I am confused all injectors failed at the same time or only 1? If all failed at the same time couldnt this mean the problem is with the fuel pump?
 

mardon

Feel the DIFFerence
Sep 22, 2008
2,599
2
A bean bag
The engine won't monitor individual AFR's for cylinders, just the output across all four. So if an injector went down (which it sounds like it must have practically stopped all together) then the ECU would have increased the fuelling on the other three (within limits) before logging a fault.

How would you know if this had happened? Huge loss in power?
 

turboboy

Limp Mode Squad ™
Dec 9, 2003
2,007
3
39
hants
2 months???!!!! Sheez!!!!! Good luck with the wait mate but I know the car is gonna be awesome once sorted. If I may ask, whar are the pistons costing you?

it will be the same mate, as he said he isnt trying for more power.

personally fitting the standard seats ect back in and taking it to a dealer is the best and by far the cheapest option.i dont think it needs the forged engine it was an external component that fail that then snowballed into something very big. its the fueling setup in this case that needs changing and maybe everyone elses with a cupra/boc
 

jc_boc

Missing the CUPRA R!
Jul 18, 2008
9,304
7
Desborough
it will be the same mate, as he said he isnt trying for more power.

personally fitting the standard seats ect back in and taking it to a dealer is the best and by far the cheapest option.i dont think it needs the forged engine it was an external component that fail that then snowballed into something very big. its the fueling setup in this case that needs changing and maybe everyone elses with a cupra/boc

I hear what you're saying but just curious. As for fitting everything back remember he never had a service done so that in itself has voided warranty.........
 

turboboy

Limp Mode Squad ™
Dec 9, 2003
2,007
3
39
hants
so no 10k service stamp by any garage? whoops! will affect resell as well. costly mistake imo.
 

turboboy

Limp Mode Squad ™
Dec 9, 2003
2,007
3
39
hants
not in 3/4 years time when something bigger and better comes out? we all grow in and out of things.
 
Jul 11, 2009
643
0
Dorking
not in 3/4 years time when something bigger and better comes out? we all grow in and out of things.
I had my last Seat 7 years/70,000 miles. Lack of dealer history had no effect on value. As for wanting something better, do I really NEED a car that gets to 60mph quicker than 4.99 sec?:confused:
 
Jul 11, 2009
643
0
Dorking
Got Email from TSR with some pics of dismantled engine, looks like thick carbon deposits in combustion chamber and piston crowns may have been reason for failure, although its worth pointing out I drove the car there over 100 miles with no smoke, no warning lights, and running on all cylinders. If I forward email to someone could they post best pics? Ta.
 

jc_boc

Missing the CUPRA R!
Jul 18, 2008
9,304
7
Desborough
Here we go:

tsrseat013.jpg


tsrseat010.jpg


TSRSeat008.jpg


TSRSeat006.jpg


TSRSeat005.jpg


TSRSeat004.jpg


TSRSeat003.jpg


TSRSeat002.jpg


TSRSeat001.jpg
 

m0rk

sarcasm comes free
Staff member
May 19, 2001
27,787
33
Clanfield, UK
So if it was running OK - what made you take it to TSR?

Where are the carbon deposits from?
 

jc_boc

Missing the CUPRA R!
Jul 18, 2008
9,304
7
Desborough
It makes more sense to me now seeing it and tying it in to what the guys at REVO explained to me. That is the result of the injector spray pattern being altered from buils up on the injector nozzle. This in turn deposits fuel on the piston head which does not detonate and causes all the buils up. racebrake, were the rings also shot on that piston by the way? The pictures are not clear enough so I can't say for sure but apparently that is what fails and eventually causes the piston to fail too.
 

chuckb

Mo bark n' Mo grunt
Apr 4, 2010
1,083
0
Sunny Slough
Jesus those valve stems are coked and as for the shells, they are mangled! Big re build but satisfying when done.

Done a test drive today, got a demo car for the weekend. Italian.............. and I loved it!

Down to two now.:D
 
Jul 11, 2009
643
0
Dorking
2 months???!!!! Sheez!!!!! Good luck with the wait mate but I know the car is gonna be awesome once sorted. If I may ask, whar are the pistons costing you?
Forged pistons are double price of standard factory replacements, good clip on youtube to show how they are made, 'Race Pistons - How are they manufactured?'
 
May 4, 2009
524
0
Leeds
Forged pistons are double price of standard factory replacements, good clip on youtube to show how they are made, 'Race Pistons - How are they manufactured?'

They look so pretty as well when new, when i used to build race engines i always used JE Pistons. All the best, good luck with the project