The Mk1 Golf 1.1 and 1.3 DO have the chassis leg mount brackets in a different place to the larger capacity engines. Not that this is anything to do with the thread...
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1.4 to 2ltr 16v conversion
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Well, yes and no. As the 1.4 Ibiza motor is largely the same engine as the 1.1 and 1.3 engines found in mk1 Golfs, it follows that the mounts would be the same. Thus, this may explain the difference between the various Ibiza subframes. That was why I brought it up in the first place. Sorry, I didn't intend mk1 Golf engine mountings to become a subtopic...H8SV8S said:
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Just to throw my 2p in, why not convert it. ok Its not the most financially sound thing to do, but he didnt come on here asking advice on his finances...
Its a second car, so theres no rush, take your time, if your mate reckons he can do it then go for it - just be aware that its not gonna be as cheap and easy as you think it is, you could do it cheaper by selling what youve got and starting again... but its your car, you want more power, but you want to keep your car. fair play.
I wouldnt bother putting the 1.4 engine into to 16v. take some time and find just an engine and subframe, wiring loom etc. If you think you can just swap over and have 2 cars your gonna be dissapointed, but thats no reason not to convert yours - just you wont get so much money back.
Would i do that swap given the situation.... no, but its your car.
oo, and re insurance - i disagree that the insurance will be crippling. In my experience of engine conversions it wont be any worse than insuring a standard 2.0 16v. Get some quotes first though so you know its viable before you end up with a car you cant insure. I'd recomend HIC or Brentacre.
Tom.
Its a second car, so theres no rush, take your time, if your mate reckons he can do it then go for it - just be aware that its not gonna be as cheap and easy as you think it is, you could do it cheaper by selling what youve got and starting again... but its your car, you want more power, but you want to keep your car. fair play.
I wouldnt bother putting the 1.4 engine into to 16v. take some time and find just an engine and subframe, wiring loom etc. If you think you can just swap over and have 2 cars your gonna be dissapointed, but thats no reason not to convert yours - just you wont get so much money back.
Would i do that swap given the situation.... no, but its your car.
oo, and re insurance - i disagree that the insurance will be crippling. In my experience of engine conversions it wont be any worse than insuring a standard 2.0 16v. Get some quotes first though so you know its viable before you end up with a car you cant insure. I'd recomend HIC or Brentacre.
Tom.
id say if ur going to bother with an engine conversion why not put something in that seat didnt intend of going in. VR6 it lad!!!
off topic sorry - ibiVR hows ur vr6 going, gona start thinking about putting one in mine after the summer.
off topic sorry - ibiVR hows ur vr6 going, gona start thinking about putting one in mine after the summer.
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jenk said:
Yeah good ta. It gets the ragging of its life so it came to bits on monday for new timing chains and a couple of tweaks. Had no probs with it. would definatly recommend it...
IbiVR said:
Thank you
i understand that im throwing money into a pit and not going to get it back. (its a hobbby.) but i will have something to show for it at the end of the day. (betta than pissing it up against the wall)
so under ur reccomendations u wouldnt bother trying to re fit the 1.4 to make sum money back??
if not and i cant find a cheap car what parts am i wanting off what??
i will be getting new coilovers
then will need a subframe from 2ltr 16v or???
breaks from mrk 2 2ltr 16v or cud i also put 20vt ones on. if so is there any benifit??
engine(obvisouly lol) gearbox/ ecu /wiring/shafts etc ibiza or cordoba
Also in responce to jenk, i thort about getting a vr6 engine as i didnt really want to put a engine in that comes as standard. but after asking ppl i was told it was too heavy and i cudnt get enough info on it at the time. ive spent the last year and half trying to figure out what to do wit the car. and have decided enuf is enuf and im just gonna go with the 16v. vr6 may cause complications and expense as wit the 20vt so im playing safe and going with the 16v. also the way it was heading was to sell the car and i would miss out on fitting the engine which i want to do so i can learn bout it.
So baiscally im looking for a crashed 16v and struggling to find one at moment lol. and if not i need to know everything i will need and what cars it can come from.
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Yeah ideally you want a donor car, rather than one that you want to get going again and sell on. As someone else said you will have to chop and change between the cars and will end up with a pile of bits. Bearing in mind the sort of money your gonna get from a downsized cupra you will more than likely lose money on building the 2 cars.
Best thing is to keep your eyes open for an accident damaged one - rear ended is perfect cos the front will have most of the parts you need and you can swap the lot - without the worry of having to get it back together again.
There was a complete ABF 2.0 16v engine, with box, ecu, loom etc on ebay that went for about 400.
Re the vr6 - its a myth that they are too heavy, theres not really a huge amount in it. Mine is using widetrack stuff from the mk3 golf so handling is spot on
Best thing is to keep your eyes open for an accident damaged one - rear ended is perfect cos the front will have most of the parts you need and you can swap the lot - without the worry of having to get it back together again.
There was a complete ABF 2.0 16v engine, with box, ecu, loom etc on ebay that went for about 400.
Re the vr6 - its a myth that they are too heavy, theres not really a huge amount in it. Mine is using widetrack stuff from the mk3 golf so handling is spot on
Make sure you don't get something that's been too heavily rear ended - there's not a lot of bodywork hanging out the back of an Ibiza to protect the rear beam, which i'm guessing that you'll want to swap over as a complete unit rather than dicking about swapping the drums on your 1.4 beam for the disks on a 16v rear beam. And even if you do swap the brakes over, there's always the issue of the rear ARB as the OE one is hidden inside the rear beam. I think that realistically, swapping the rear beam is the only way to get the OE rear ARB from the 16v onto a 1.4 (which probably doesn't have one). The 1.4 probably doesn't have one, and while the aftermarket options strap on the outside of the rear beam, they're intended to supplement the OE one.
First off, they're called BRAKES.dougy69 said:
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Sorry, it's a pet hate of mine...Now, assuming you're talking about the front brakes from a Ibiza 20vT Cupra, then yes, you could fit them. The benefits over a set of 2.0 16v front brakes would be that they would be slightly newer and they would be painted red. The monster Brembos fitted to mk3 Ibiza 20vT Cupra R's would be a different matter entirely.
Note that in order to do either of the above, the front hub carrier assembly must be replaced - the pad mounts on the 1.4 hub carriers are an integral part of the hub carrier, making this a real sticking point. I think the track rod ends are the same for the two hub carriers but perhaps someone with ETKA could check this?
If we're talking about rear brakes, then I'm pretty sure the dimensions are the same on a mk2 and mk3 with rear disks, but a mk3 uses a cartidge bearing rather than the open roller bearing used on a mk2.
You see how all these other seemingly unrelated areas start getting involved? And as I mentioned in my last post, you'd probably want to swap an entire rear beam.
I don't even want to think about what would be involved in rigging a 1.4 to take an 02A cable change box as used with a 2.0 16v. As I think was mentioned by someone else before, you could always use an 020 rod change box from a 2.0 8v but they don't handle big power and torque at all well.
If you're really really serious about doing this, then I suggest getting hold of a copy of ETKA, spending a few weeks/months getting to grips with it and the finer points of VAG part numbering and do some solid research on the topic. I'd suggest getting a Haynes manual too which will help with some aspects of the differences between the 1.4 and 2.0 models but it doesn't really cover the 2.0 16v - so a major potential headache areas such as the cable shift box won't be touched on. Note that other VAG models also use the 02A box so I reckon the linkage will be covered in at least one Haynes. Just a question of finding out which one...
Quite likely Jase. Things like that are just a few of the many many things all waiting to trip up the unwary engine/gearbox conversion virgin...
Thank u some good advice there.
yes i intend to swap he rear beam as i have found out about the anti roll bar in the 2.0 16v and not having one in the 1.4.
May sound stupid now put whats ETKA. i take it its a book but were would i get one and what does it cover.
Also ive been searching ebay and other places for a 16v but im struggling at the mo to find one in my price range.
however there are a lot of vr6's going for less money.
will it cost me alot more to do that conversion??
Also What drive shafts and what suspension would i use???
yes i intend to swap he rear beam as i have found out about the anti roll bar in the 2.0 16v and not having one in the 1.4.
May sound stupid now put whats ETKA. i take it its a book but were would i get one and what does it cover.
Also ive been searching ebay and other places for a 16v but im struggling at the mo to find one in my price range.
however there are a lot of vr6's going for less money.
will it cost me alot more to do that conversion??
Also What drive shafts and what suspension would i use???
ETKA is the VAG groups parts system - you know when you go into the parts department and ask for a part for your car and they go looking on the computer and find it? That's ETKA, that is. Basically, it's a database with parts for all of the Seat models produced since the VW takeover. So - if you know your engine code (not sure 1.4 you'll have as there are several. The engine number will be on your V5 registration document, work it out from there) and that for the car you intend to turn it into (2.0 8v is 2E pre facelift, AGG post facelift, 1.8 16v is ADL (IIRC) and 2.0 16v is ABF), you can figure out which parts are the same and which are different. Yes, it'll take a while. Yes, it'll be a ballache. But it should give you a conclusive answer as to what is different and what is the same.
Where to find copies of ETKA - well, a few folks on here have versions, or you can sometimes find moody copies on ebay. Not quite sure how they manage that without getting done for selling pirated software, but there you go. Anyhoo, because your 1.4 and a 2.0 16v are both models that are a few years old, you don't need to worry about getting the latest version.
Make sure it's the Seat version you buy tho - sure, a lot of the parts are VW sourced, but a surprising number are Seat specific and don't show up in the VW/Audi version. That said tho, there are plenty of times when it's also useful to have a copy of VW ETKA so you can cross reference parts - and find out which VW's use the same parts. That's dead handy to be able to do when you have an unco-operative local branch of Euro Car Parts who think a Seat is something you sit on.
It's not the worlds' most user friendly software, and takes a little getting used to before you can do anything much with it.
But once you get to grips with it, it's a pretty powerful tool. Which is nice...
Where to find copies of ETKA - well, a few folks on here have versions, or you can sometimes find moody copies on ebay. Not quite sure how they manage that without getting done for selling pirated software, but there you go. Anyhoo, because your 1.4 and a 2.0 16v are both models that are a few years old, you don't need to worry about getting the latest version.
Make sure it's the Seat version you buy tho - sure, a lot of the parts are VW sourced, but a surprising number are Seat specific and don't show up in the VW/Audi version. That said tho, there are plenty of times when it's also useful to have a copy of VW ETKA so you can cross reference parts - and find out which VW's use the same parts. That's dead handy to be able to do when you have an unco-operative local branch of Euro Car Parts who think a Seat is something you sit on.
It's not the worlds' most user friendly software, and takes a little getting used to before you can do anything much with it.
But once you get to grips with it, it's a pretty powerful tool. Which is nice...
well ive managed to do it!!
ive not put a 16v motor in, but put a 2.9 vr6 motor in her learning and gathering info along the way!!
its just passed its mot and driven 50ish miles and so far so good.
im so please i had a go and have managed even if it has taken a while. its cost be around £1k overall and im well chuft with the result.
ive not put a 16v motor in, but put a 2.9 vr6 motor in her learning and gathering info along the way!!
its just passed its mot and driven 50ish miles and so far so good.
im so please i had a go and have managed even if it has taken a while. its cost be around £1k overall and im well chuft with the result.
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