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1.4 to 2ltr 16v conversion
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can i ask why it would be so dificult to swap this onto a bengal yellow 16v?apart from the spats and side skirts which are blended in,surely this would only be a few hundred quids worth of work ,for a car that will run fine,and be a hell of a lot easier to flog on than a hybrid 1.4?dougy69 said:i have been thinking about what to do with my car for over a year. i love it apart from the front bumper and the engine i wuddnt change a thing.
i have thort about getting a good clio williams, rst, fst, vr6 or a 16v beeza but i dont really wanna sell mine to get another ibiza that is gonna be standard. my ibiza turns heads as u go down the street and a standard one doesnt. even if if isnt to everyones taste i like it.
also i want the challange of putting a new engine in it. my mates are mechanics and can help me do this but they have asked me to ask if its straight forward so far the best answer i have is
can anyone confirm this.
for anyone who is interested heres a few pics of the car. (before u say the front bumpers gay i dnt like it either but mine was first beeza to get it so i didnt no what it wud look like. got a smoother one on order ne ways).
i take it yours is bengal yellow?
FAO dougy69
you know how your front seat belts are mounted to the back seat belt mounts... is that legal.
thats how ive got mine at the minute but i havent had it through an MOT yet and its coming up so just wondering whether youve had them pass an MOT like that?
i have the orginal back seat belts attatched to them too at the moment which might not be legal but i have bought stronger bolts that are just that bit longer to accomodate both belts.
and on another point how did you mount your harness to the floor on the inside of the chair? did you make a mount yourself and have it bolted to the floor?
ta mate not meaning to hijack the thread but i have no idea if my seats and harnesses are legal and would just like some sort of idea.
cheers
you know how your front seat belts are mounted to the back seat belt mounts... is that legal.
thats how ive got mine at the minute but i havent had it through an MOT yet and its coming up so just wondering whether youve had them pass an MOT like that?
i have the orginal back seat belts attatched to them too at the moment which might not be legal but i have bought stronger bolts that are just that bit longer to accomodate both belts.
and on another point how did you mount your harness to the floor on the inside of the chair? did you make a mount yourself and have it bolted to the floor?
ta mate not meaning to hijack the thread but i have no idea if my seats and harnesses are legal and would just like some sort of idea.
cheers
ibiza_95 said:
ive passed two mots with them like that so id av thort they were ok. ive mouted the side bits of the harness to the same bolts in which the frame for the seats mount on. hope that helps
if i was to swap stuff over the whole of the interior would get damaged and muky! the blened in side skirts are £220 the saxo arches were bout £80 and the cost to blend them in and spray it was about £400 so looking at £700. also the 1.4 would be left with standard bumpers and big skirts and arches which i dnt think would sell.
also there the fact im wanting to learn abit about engines n that.
i no it does seem backwards ina way and ive been thinking loads of different ideas for the last year and alomost sold it about 6months ago. but now im determined to do the engine convo and just see what happens.
hope fully when its done im thinking bout motor bike carbs on her but not sure yet. does any one have any thoughts or recomendations on motor bike crba or other tunning aspects???
Oh yeh forgot to mention im struggling to convince my mate about th 20vt. think he doesnt feel comtable in doing it plus he wants the whole car there. (and i dnt think he like the idea of me having a faster car than him lol
bike carbs won't fit your 1.4 - it has one carb round the back of the engine, and you won't get any 'gain' because it just can't rev enough to produce the power
unless you're talking about bike carbs on the 16v, in which case bargain for about 2k once you buy an ECU and inlet manifold
in which case you'll have spent enough money to pay someone to put a 20VT in the car (which you should have done in the 1st place)
if your mate isn't confident in putting a 20VT in, he has no realistic chance of putting a 16v in either. I'm sure he's great on oil changes - but if he's yet to see a 'SEAT' then I can't understand what he's basing his idea's on.
in which case you'll have spent enough money to pay someone to put a 20VT in the car (which you should have done in the 1st place)
if your mate isn't confident in putting a 20VT in, he has no realistic chance of putting a 16v in either. I'm sure he's great on oil changes - but if he's yet to see a 'SEAT' then I can't understand what he's basing his idea's on.
dougy69 said:
You do realise in the event of a crash, belts mounted like that will not do their job
Shoulder belts should be idealy mounted within 10 degrees of the horizointal plane (no more than 45)
Your MOT test station(s)probably assesed the condition of the belt itself and the integrety of mounts.
i was talking bike carbs on the 16v.
place near me fits them and makes manifold for about £680including vat depending on car. (do u need an ecu if ur on bike carbs as ur on carbs and not injection???)
as for my mate to be honest i think he more than ok in fitting both engines but the 20vt will be harder/take slightly more time, if only a little and i dnt think he can be arsed as he as just got his new project (mrk1 astra)
well thats im thinking ne way. ive shown him this thread and i dunno hes just not keen on it i dnt think. (but im happy wit either.) might be to do with us taking another mates rst engine out and it been a pain.
and in reply to f2 stu i didnt no this!!! but once some one is sat in the seat and the harness has raised slightly im not sure if it is more than 45 degrees!!
also u see harnesses going to the rear seat belt mouts which would be alot more than 45 degrees wuddnt it???
unless ur meaning the mounts at the side of the seat in which case these wud be well over 45degrees
place near me fits them and makes manifold for about £680including vat depending on car. (do u need an ecu if ur on bike carbs as ur on carbs and not injection???)
as for my mate to be honest i think he more than ok in fitting both engines but the 20vt will be harder/take slightly more time, if only a little and i dnt think he can be arsed as he as just got his new project (mrk1 astra)
well thats im thinking ne way. ive shown him this thread and i dunno hes just not keen on it i dnt think. (but im happy wit either.) might be to do with us taking another mates rst engine out and it been a pain.
and in reply to f2 stu i didnt no this!!! but once some one is sat in the seat and the harness has raised slightly im not sure if it is more than 45 degrees!!
also u see harnesses going to the rear seat belt mouts which would be alot more than 45 degrees wuddnt it???
unless ur meaning the mounts at the side of the seat in which case these wud be well over 45degrees
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dougy69 said:
And how much do you think all the new parts you'll require will add up to?
Even if you have a complete donor car, there's always far more you need to replace with new genuine parts.
Add up all the gaskets, belts, tensioners, bolts, hoses, clamps, oil, filters etc etc etc and you'll smash that amount of money easily.
Of course you can drop the motor in unrefreshed, without knowing its history, and save more money, but then you'd just be a Napoleon Dynamite-esque "iiiidiot".
like stated beforre im wanting to learn how to do this sort of stuff. plus hopefully depending on insurance enquires ill have a car i can sell to recoup some of the money back.
also when u purchase any new car and it runs ok do u replace all gaskets, belts, tensioners, bolts, hoses, clamps
an oil change and filter would cost pennies and would be done any way. as a cam belt change wud be required too.
i dont understand why u wud change things that dont require changing!!!!!!!!
i dont have an endless pot of money and i say things that arent broke dont need fixing
also when u purchase any new car and it runs ok do u replace all gaskets, belts, tensioners, bolts, hoses, clamps
an oil change and filter would cost pennies and would be done any way. as a cam belt change wud be required too.
i dont understand why u wud change things that dont require changing!!!!!!!!
i dont have an endless pot of money and i say things that arent broke dont need fixing
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it's more about changing stuff while it's all out in the open & eas to get to.
eg - head gasket swap is much easier on an engine stand, than in an engine bay
not that you need to do a head hasket swap...
eg - head gasket swap is much easier on an engine stand, than in an engine bay
not that you need to do a head hasket swap...
m0rk said:
Exactly right. Much the same as doing the clutch, which, while the engine is out you might aswell do. Chances are, it'd be due for one anyway.
may sound a daft question but actually is the subframe. i imagined it as the frame which the whole car was sat on, but i would have thought it was all one piece? im not doubting you but i genuinely arent sure what it is.
im picturing thick square steel tube welded together to make a vague car shape, and then the body is fixed to that
im picturing thick square steel tube welded together to make a vague car shape, and then the body is fixed to that
ibiza_95 said:
If your thinking of landrovers then you'd be right
the Ibiza - infact most cars from the 1970's onwards have a Monocoque construction doing away with a separate chassis and body
The subframe bolts to the monocoque and engine, transmission, suspension, braking components bolt onto the said subframe
Unless they're of american origin...F2 Stu said:
There's plenty of examples of monocoques in european cars earlier than the 70's too.
Been loking at heaps of Ibizas Cordobas and Golfs and cant see how the front OR rear subframe is different. They have different mounts and brakes, but all subframes look the same 1.4, 1.8 and 2L. Even VR6 look the same. Someone tell me an actual difference if I am wrong.
How different do you want them to be???Red Ibiza VR6 said:
Put it this way - a solid 1.3 mk1 Golf is relatively easy to come by, but people don't generally use them as donor shells when the tin worm attacks their GTI. Why? Because the engine and gearbox mounts are in the wrong place... Sure, this is a slightly different issue, as mk1 Golf (and their various derivatives) have no subframe, meaning you need to weld new mounts to the shell rather than "just" swap the subframe, but even so...
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