8bit's Mk1 Leon Cupra R. Scarlett - as in Johansson...

8bit · Dec 5, 2011

Al said:
Good stuff. I think the REVO map will be the best bet and it allows to step up if you decide to add on additional components. Matty will look after you and if you come to the meet, we can log it all to make sure its running fine.

Cheers, looking forward to the meet, and getting mapped. That said though, I was in the car yesterday and was wheelspinning in 3rd on part throttle, really frosty and cold and my front tyres have seen better days, so it'll likely be another couple of months before I can get a real idea of how much more torque and power I'll have.

Re. the mapping, it's been brought forward to tomorrow - the g/f is going to drop the car off at Wallace as she works near there, original plan was for Thursday but turns out she's got a meeting then so had to rearrange for tomorrow

brwmogazos said:
1.5 litres of G12 and about 4 litres of distilled water.

I always take a lot more to flush with some distilled water and then poor the new coolant in.

Cheers mate. I see you live in Greece, I wonder if the ratio of coolant to water should be different in the UK - it's obviously a lot colder here!

Some more minor updates took place at the weekend but I'll post them later on once I get pics sorted.

brwmogazos · Dec 5, 2011

Well more distilled water = better cooling characteristics.
However youcant go really low as you say.

i live in south greece and i only use my ibiza for some quick spins so...

8bit · Dec 5, 2011

brwmogazos said:
Well more distilled water = better cooling characteristics.
However youcant go really low as you say.

i live in south greece and i only use my ibiza for some quick spins so...

Looking at the information from Elsawin (thanks Craig!) it suggests about a 60:40 mix in favour of the water, not sure if that's UK specific or not. That gives antifreeze properties down to about -25C. Last winter was pretty close to that where I live, may even have been colder sometimes. The guide says use 50:50 for antifreeze down to -35, that should more than cover it.

8bit · Dec 5, 2011

So I managed to do a couple of minor tasks on the car at the weekend. First changed the MAF for a new one from Seremotors. Had this logged (thanks Yohan!), see below:

Code:

Saturday	3	December	2011	15:40:24:62534	VCDS Version: Release 11.11.0	Data version: 20111111									
1ML 906 032 A		1.8l R4/5VT         0002													
															
	Group A:	020				Group B:	120				Group C:	002			
		Timing Retardation	Timing Retardation	Timing Retardation	Timing Retardation		Engine Speed	Torque specified	Engine Torque	Traction Control		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Injection Timing	Mass Air Flow
	TIME	Cylinder 1	Cylinder 2	Cylinder 3	Cylinder 4	TIME	(G28)	by ASR	(actual)	Status	TIME	(G28)			Sensor (G70)
Marker	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	 /min	 Nm	 Nm		STAMP	 /min	 %	 ms	 g/s
	9.61	0	0	0	0	9.91	1520	436.6	64.2	ASR OFF	9.32	1920	54.1	4.76	21.22
	10.52	0	0	0	0	10.82	1600	436.6	81.3	ASR OFF	10.21	1560	48.9	4.08	14.42
	11.42	0	0	0	0	11.74	1680	436.6	162.6	ASR OFF	11.13	1640	83.5	8.16	30.39
	12.33	0	0	0	0	12.64	1840	436.6	192.6	ASR OFF	12.02	1760	94	8.5	34.67
	13.23	0	0	0	0	13.53	2040	436.6	231.1	ASR OFF	12.93	1920	106	9.86	41.97
	14.15	0	0	0	0	14.45	2280	436.6	278.2	ASR OFF	13.84	2120	130.8	11.9	57.53
	15.05	0	0	0	0	15.35	2560	436.6	299.6	ASR OFF	14.74	2360	160.2	14.96	80.64
	15.96	0	0	0	0	16.26	2800	436.6	297.5	ASR OFF	15.66	2640	166.9	15.3	79.17
	16.86	0	0	0	0	17.17	3080	436.6	299.6	ASR OFF	16.56	2920	162.4	14.62	87.5
	17.77	0	0	0	0	18.07	3360	436.6	299.6	ASR OFF	17.47	3160	157.1	14.28	94.69
	18.67	0	0	0	0	18.98	3600	436.6	299.6	ASR OFF	18.38	3440	157.1	13.94	102.39
	19.58	0	0	0	0	19.88	3880	436.6	303.9	ASR OFF	19.28	3720	160.9	14.28	115.06
	20.48	0	0	0	0	20.79	4120	436.6	303.9	ASR OFF	20.19	3960	160.2	14.28	122.86
	21.4	0	0	0	0	21.69	4360	436.6	308.2	ASR OFF	21.09	4200	160.2	14.62	128.11
	22.29	0	0	0	0	22.6	4600	436.6	293.2	ASR OFF	21.99	4440	158.6	14.28	134.97
	23.2	0	0	0	0	23.5	4800	436.6	286.8	ASR OFF	22.9	4680	154.1	13.94	135.86
	24.1	0	0	0	0	24.41	5000	436.6	299.6	ASR OFF	23.8	4880	152.6	13.94	143.5
	25.01	0	0	0	0	25.31	5200	436.6	291	ASR OFF	24.71	5080	158.6	14.28	154.39
	25.92	0	0	0	0	26.22	5400	436.6	286.8	ASR OFF	25.61	5280	161.7	14.62	164.69
	26.82	0	0	0	0	27.12	5600	436.6	293.2	ASR OFF	26.52	5480	163.9	14.62	172.22
	27.72	0	0	0	0	28.03	5760	436.6	291	ASR OFF	27.42	5640	163.2	14.62	178.31
	28.64	0	0	0	0	28.93	5960	436.6	273.9	ASR OFF	28.33	5840	166.2	15.3	183.94
	29.54	0	0	0	0	29.84	6080	436.6	265.4	ASR OFF	29.23	6000	160.2	15.3	184.83
	30.44	0	0	0	0	30.75	6240	436.6	265.4	ASR OFF	30.14	6160	155.6	16.32	183.94
	31.35	0	0	0	0	31.65	6400	436.6	244	ASR OFF	31.05	6320	154.9	17	183.33
	32.25	0	0	0	0	32.56	6520	436.6	248.2	ASR OFF	31.96	6440	152.6	15.98	181.28
	33.16	0	0	0	0	33.47	6640	436.6	233.3	ASR OFF	32.85	6560	142.1	13.94	176.47
	34.07	0	0	0	0	34.37	6600	436.6	0	ASR OFF	33.77	6680	142.1	13.26	170.75
	34.97	0	0	0	0	35.27	5600	436.6	0	ASR OFF	34.68	6520	14.3	1.7	12.92
	35.87	0	0	0	0	36.18	4400	436.6	0	ASR OFF	35.57	5200	14.3	1.36	14.31
	36.78	0	0	0	0	37.07	3120	436.6	0	ASR OFF	36.48	3960	12.8	0	9.64
	37.68	0	0	0	0	37.98	2040	436.6	0	ASR OFF	37.38	2760	13.5	0	7.17
	38.58	0	0	0	0	38.88	1240	436.6	0	ASR OFF	38.28	1720	12.8	0	4.36
	39.49	0	0	0	0	39.79	1000	436.6	0	ASR OFF	39.18	1160	15.8	1.7	3.36

So 184.83 g/s peak, happy with that. Interestingly though, as on the previous lot of logs, Yohan's de-screened MAF showed a peak of 197 or so. Haven't returned the old MAF yet, am tempted to hang on to it and descreen the housing and swap my good element into it. Will do some re-reading, there were a few threads going about on this recently.

Anyway, the new MAF is reading better and has cured the correction factors I was seeing at high RPM so that's cool. Other job this weekend was changing the coilpacks. Got some of the red ones from Awesome, pics below:

I had assumed that since I'd never heard of anyone else with a late mk1 LCR getting their coilpacks changed on the current recall that my car and/or existing coilpacks weren't going to be eligible for it, so went ahead and bought these. Checked a couple of them when I took them out and they look like very early parts. I wanted to change them anyway as the car is getting remapped tomorrow and for peace of mind thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to change them.

In hindsight I suppose I should have called Seat and chanced getting them changed for free but I guess I can always ring them and if they say to bring it in then change them back to the old ones. Besides, these ones look nice

Had to bolt the N249 stuff back into place though as I couldn't be arsed finding a new home for it as this would mean digging the cable out of the coilpack loom, might do that some other day.

Revo stage 1 linear map tomorrow - can't wait

Ronin225 · Dec 6, 2011

Got some TFSI coil packs coming for mine, didnt realise SEAT had a recall on the later ones
Looking good though

8bit · Dec 6, 2011

Cheers Ronin, been a pretty painful and expensive year but starting to enjoy and trust the car again now.

Dunno what revisions the 1.8 coilpack recall covers but the couple I checked as I was pulling them out seemed to be early ones, "06A *** *** A" I think. Have an idea that one may have gone while someone else owned the car and they got a set off a wreck at a breaker's yard or something.

TFSI packs are meant to be good, I would have gone for those but wouldn't have had time to get the adapters before getting it mapped and I wanted fresh coils in before that.

Ibiza125 · Dec 6, 2011

Hope the remap goes well. Honestly bud you will experiance nothing like the feeling that you will get for the first drive so enjoy it!

Should have got some S3 bolt down coilpacks but

Let us know how it goes!

8bit · Dec 6, 2011

Cheers Josh, yeah looking forward to it, hopefully the roads are a little less frosty tonight, was pretty slippery last night. Did think about getting the ECS coilpack clamps but tbh the ones that were in there before and the new ones were pretty f'ing tightly pushed in anyway. Oh, sorry I meant to ask - you mentioned you'd added a new car to the fleet?

Anyway, Mic at Wallace Performance rang about 10 this morning to say the car was ready so the g/f is picking it up at lunchtime. Will take it out for a quick spin this evening and post back later on

Ibiza125 · Dec 6, 2011

Well I'm looking forward to your review!!

Yeah I have bought this: http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=134596

8bit · Dec 6, 2011

Well, map done, car home, had a quick spin tonight. The word spin being the operative, i can now spin the wheels in 3rd, 4th and even once briefly in 5th

It was hovering about 0 celsius and there was visible sheen and frosting on the road. Add to that some pretty shot Vredestein tyres on the front and I just couldn't get any power on the road at all really.

I can tell that there's a fair bit more torque there tho, last night was similar conditions and it was spinning em up in 2nd and a little in 3rd if vicious with the throttle so that's something. I did once manage to find a reasonably dry stretch with a decent speed limit, and feed in the throttle carefully enough to retain traction and aye, it pulled a lot harder than before. Hopefully it'll be a touch warmer at the weekend during daytime and I'll manage to see what it's like a bit better but at least it'll be there waiting for the cold weather to pass.

One immediate benefit tho is that the throttle response mapping on the Revo Linear map is very nice. Feels more predictable, smoother and just better behaved when driving around town. I've still never got to the point with this car where I felt I was getting gearshifts spot on every time but it felt a lot easier now. You also don't get the same lurch forward about 1 second after coming off throttle after the overrun drops away and the engine braking kicks in so even without being able to really tell what the extra power and torque is like, the car just feels like a better car now.

EL · Dec 7, 2011

Great update mate, glad your happy with the car!!!

8bit · Dec 7, 2011

Cheers buddy, seems a touch warmer today so hopefully I'll get out for a spin before it gets really frosty again this evening!

RDS · Dec 7, 2011

Good stuff, Its great to see you can finally make some positive progress on the car. Enjoy it mate

t0m · Dec 7, 2011

Really pleased for you mate! Glad to see you've finally got a map on her

Only heard good things about the Revo Linear map from Gonzo and a few others, so it's a good choice for sure.

Enjoy it!!!

8bit · Dec 7, 2011

Thanks guys, I'll post back once I've had a chance to give it a bit of stick and see what it's like

Joeb · Dec 7, 2011

the revo linear is fantastic.

quick tip
as it suggests, apply the throttle at a progressive rate.
i.e. progressive from 3000 rpm and then fully planting your foot by about 4/4500k - the car really makes the most of the map, responds so damn well compared to the old revo map!!

you'll feel it ALL the way thru the rev range with this technique.

8bit · Dec 7, 2011

Cheers Joeb, had a little time to drive the car this evening before the roads got too frosty, it does seem to respond better to feeding in of the throttle but maybe that's just cos then I don't have as long to wait before the boost kicks in.

Speaking of boost, the car now pulls much harder in 3rd than it used to in 2nd. Come to think of it, it possibly feels as urgent in 4th as it used to in 2nd. WOT in 2nd was still not do-able with the conditions tonight but 3rd on a 70mph road when it kept traction saw the speed limit appearing very quick. Happy camper

RDS · Dec 8, 2011

Happy days mate, pleased your enjoying it

Deleted member 35798 · Dec 21, 2011

Looks like it is set to get milder this weekend so we can hopefully get some power runs down the Aberdeenshire test strip

Hopefully give you a chance to stretch the Leon's legs a bit and test out this new map

When we do logs, would I be able to try your MAF dude?

My car seems to be loosing more and more boost as time passes and now I'm only making 18psi. Just want to rule out MAF and N75 seen as I don't have any boost leaks or any fault codes.

I'm wondering if it's slowly failing like your one did as my g/s reading is lower than it should be as well. The MAF is only a couple of months old though :S

8bit · Dec 21, 2011

Hey buddy, yeah hopefully the weather improves a bit, can easy log MAFs and N75s providing I'm not still rushing about sorting Christmas stuff out! Should be done and dusted by this evening though so will be in touch.

Re. MAF readings, could just be because the air temp is lower then the pressure is lower too. Also don't forget, ME7 ECU is a torque-biased one, it doesn't request boost directly as such, it requests torque - if it's able to meet torque request based on throttle input with lower boost then it'll do that. Best bet is to check MAF readings alongside actual vs. requested boost - if it's meeting requested boost then there may not actually be an issue. Fickle beasties, these 1.8T's. Might be worth you talking to your mapper too.

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