MIB3: Wireless Full Link (CarPlay + AndroidAuto) works! Thanks to OBD11

[JoPeters]

Hi all,

If you do have the MIB3 infotainment unit (hardware H56 or H57. manufactured as of September 2020) and Wireless Full Link - Apple CarPlay Wireless and Google AndroidAuto Wireless - does not work, it might have been deactivated by the manufacturer.

Utilizing an OBDeleven OBD2-plug with the Pro license, you can simply enable (activate) both with dedicated switches, under the section „Function configuration connectivity“: Mirror Link, Google android auto and Apple car play. There, most probably it was set to „Usb only“, however it must be changed to „On“.

Thereafter, a soft reboot of the MIB3 is required (pressing the touch on/off switch for a while until it restarts automatically).

Moreover, I set ‘App connect over wifi’ to “Yes”.

If, and only if 5 GHz was deactivated, it also must be activated.

Good luck
Jo

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

This is dependent on software version. Units on the older software trains cannot currently have wireless android auto enabled even with coding

There's due to be an update released anytime now for those units, they've already done it for Skoda/VW

Those units tend to have wireless carplay (atleast in the UK) but no wireless AA

 

[JoPeters]

This is dependent on software version. Units on the older software trains cannot currently have wireless android auto enabled even with coding

There's due to be an update released anytime now for those units, they've already done it for Skoda/VW

Those units tend to have wireless carplay (atleast in the UK) but no wireless AA

Thanks for your hint. The required software version is 0804.

Apple CarPlay Wireless and Google AndroidAuto Wireless do have separate - independent - switches in the OBDeleven configuration.

Depending on the Android smartphone model you have to activate the developer options. Within the AndroidAuto settings wireless must be enabled.

 

[Crisly]

Hi all,

If you do have the MIB3 infotainment unit (hardware H56 or H57. manufactured as of September 2020) and Wireless Full Link - Apple CarPlay Wireless and Google AndroidAuto Wireless - does not work, it might have been deactivated by the manufacturer.

Utilizing an OBDeleven OBD2-plug with the Pro license, you can simply enable (activate) both with dedicated switches, under the section „Function configuration connectivity“: Mirror Link, Google android auto and Apple car play. There, most probably it was set to „Usb only“, however it must be changed to „On“.

Thereafter, a soft reboot of the MIB3 is required (pressing the touch on/off switch for a while until it restarts automatically).

Moreover, I set ‘App connect over wifi’ to “Yes”.

If, and only if 5 GHz was deactivated, it also must be activated.

Good luck
Jo

Dear Jo,

Thank you for your post!

I am about to buy the OBDeleven as my car came with no wireless option activated. I have a H57 hardware.

Can I kindly ask you to try with an Android phone please if you personally have tried only with an Apple phone?

I have seen people mentioning issues with Android while with iPhone it works.
(My guess is that these people should activate de Dev option in the Android Auto app. I did this and without having the car modified, as soon as I get in the car, my phone gives me a notification where AA is available and I must plug my phone - which sounds promising).

Thank you for your help!

Kind regards,

Chris

 

[JoPeters]

@Crisly (I am using the OBD11 software on an iPhone, which works pretty good.)

The wireless Google AndroidAuto connection works also properly with the Samsung Galaxy A31 smartphone. And I can select which smartphone shall be connected wireless, if both mobiles are in the car … and can switch from one to the other.

Happy and healthy New Year.

 

[Crisly]

Dear @JoPeters,

Thank you for further information! Very kind of you

2 days ago, I wrote to Seat asking whether it is possible to activate the Wireless option. They said that technically it is not possible because:
"Regarding your question, we inform your that wireless Full Link corresponds to PRs 9WY and 9WJ and your vehicle is equipped with PR 9WT, which does not correspond to the wireless option. Unfortunately this can only be chosen at the moment of ordering the vehicle."

Do you know if because my PR option is 9WT, this means I will not be able to activate?

I am a little bit confused as for me, there are Bluetooth and WiFi in the car. So why it will not be working? That's what I asked Seat International and they came up with this information.

Thank you for your help again

 

[Crisly]

@East Yorkshire Retrofits maybe you may know this technical information as you dig more into the system?

Thank you

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

@East Yorkshire Retrofits maybe you may know this technical information as you dig more into the system?

Thank you

Please send us a message with your VIN

 

[JoPeters]

@Crisly Before I purchased the OBD11 plug with the Pro software license, I had asked SEAT Service Germany, two coding specialists in my region and a SEAT dealer/workshop nearby (I was there with the car, and they checked it 'physically').

Upfront, I provided them with the FIN (VIN) of my Ateca, accompanied by some additional pieces of information (link to the official press VAG group release https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/new...ess-full-link-across-its-renewed-line-up.html and the owners manual https://www.seat.com/datamanual-manual/ateca/my22_w25/en-uk/ATECA_06_21_EN.pdf, pages 177 and 178).

From all I've got the same answer: an activation of Wireless CarPlay and/or Wireless AndroidAuto is not possible in my car. With OBD11 it took less than 15 minutes to activate Wireless Full Link (both, CarPlay and Android Auto), including soft reboot of the MIB3. That's my experience.

 

[Crisly]

@JoPeters & @East Yorkshire Retrofits
Thank you both!!

@East Yorkshire Retrofits Confirmed through the VIN that it should be working

@JoPeters Sounds very weird that none of professionals are unable to help us in activating the wireless function!
I can imagine that in some countries it is deactivated for whatever regulatory purpose...
But in my case, I bought the car in Luxembourg and registered it in France. I said to Seat that in France the wireless version is activated (the hardware is even the same) and since I am residing in a country where the wireless function is authorized, it should not be a trouble to enable it...
But as you could read & experience yourself, they said that technically it was not possible. I am quite confused with them
Anyway, I am now going to buy the ODB11!


Thank you very much for your help. I'll keep you tuned on the after process

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

@Crisly Before I purchased the OBD11 plug with the Pro software license, I had asked SEAT Service Germany, two coding specialists in my region and a SEAT dealer/workshop nearby (I was there with the car, and they checked it 'physically').

Upfront, I provided them with the FIN (VIN) of my Ateca, accompanied by some additional pieces of information (link to the official press VAG group release https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/new...ess-full-link-across-its-renewed-line-up.html and the owners manual https://www.seat.com/datamanual-manual/ateca/my22_w25/en-uk/ATECA_06_21_EN.pdf, pages 177 and 178).

From all I've got the same answer: an activation of Wireless CarPlay and/or Wireless AndroidAuto is not possible in my car. With OBD11 it took less than 15 minutes to activate Wireless Full Link (both, CarPlay and Android Auto), including soft reboot of the MIB3. That's my experience.

Seat dealers are extremely restricted in terms of what they're allowed to do & what they're trained to do with ODIS.

The majority of them aren't capable of entering self diagnosis and coding a vehicle themself. If there isn't an SVM measure code then they're out of their depth

 

[Tell]

Seat dealers are extremely restricted in terms of what they're allowed to do & what they're trained to do with ODIS.

The majority of them aren't capable of entering self diagnosis and coding a vehicle themself. If there isn't an SVM measure code then they're out of their depth

VAG controls the software selectable features that you pay for or sign up to via a contract whilst the car may have many other features they may be unlocked by the user subsequently but if you haven't paid for them Seat won't do it, although you do read of some customers getting dealers to do certain things for them or have seen in the past that a mod has been done by a dealer (heater dial showing fan speed which original Ateca's don't etc).

Some are configurable differences that are made to make a model unique. e.g.. the original weird way that Kessy was implemented in Seat that you had to stand with your hand on the button stud outside or hold the close remote button to get the mirrors to turn in. Some clever clogs in Spain decided that Kessy would work that way. You could revert to the normal VW way by enabling menus via coding. Two years later Seat reverted back to the VW way.

So no surprise that Seat dealers won't turn on things you haven't paid for or aren't part of how Seat has determined how the car should behave even thou the features remain latent within the system if they have been built in and can be enabled. Mib3 is one of those unknowns so websites with mods on them should really post the firmware version the mod works on. That's the problem with the easy beesy posts and one click apps that if you dont know what you are doing you may do something you can't undo (one click apps) or it doesn't work if coding and that function isn't built into the device. Latter reversible, former may not be.

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

VAG controls the software selectable features that you pay for or sign up to via a contract whilst the car may have many other features they may be unlocked by the user subsequently but if you haven't paid for them Seat won't do it, although you do read of some customers getting dealers to do certain things for them or have seen in the past that a mod has been done by a dealer (heater dial showing fan speed which original Ateca's don't etc).

Some are configurable differences that are made to make a model unique. e.g.. the original weird way that Kessy was implemented in Seat that you had to stand with your hand on the button stud outside or hold the close remote button to get the mirrors to turn in. Some clever clogs in Spain decided that Kessy would work that way. You could revert to the normal VW way by enabling menus via coding. Two years later Seat reverted back to the VW way.

So no surprise that Seat dealers won't turn on things you haven't paid for or aren't part of how Seat has determined how the car should behave even thou the features remain latent within the system if they have been built in and can be enabled. Mib3 is one of those unknowns so websites with mods on them should really post the firmware version the mod works on. That's the problem with the easy beesy posts and one click apps that if you dont know what you are doing you may do something you can't undo (one click apps) or it doesn't work if coding and that function isn't built into the device. Latter reversible, former may not be.

It's not about you paying for it, it's that main dealers don't usually train their staff for anything more than is necessary. They don't actually know how to do what you're asking them to do . If you find a generous dealer who's got time and is willing to follow instructions then you *may* get somewhere

Also in reference to including the software version, post the part number too!

 

[JoPeters]

VAG controls the software selectable features that you pay for or sign up to via a contract whilst the car may have many other features they may be unlocked by the user subsequently but if you haven't paid for them Seat won't do it, although you do read of some customers getting dealers to do certain things for them or have seen in the past that a mod has been done by a dealer (heater dial showing fan speed which original Ateca's don't etc).

Fully understand … but in my case it was not about a feature that is part of a supplementary contractual agreement or the purchasing contract itself (within the order), neither a special option that costs extra.

It is a standard function, which is built-in and is also included in the regular price, but has been deactivated by the manufacturer - since the car was configured to ship and register it in Czech. (But only for one day, by a specialized service provider. This is a common workaround to surpass dealer discount agreements.)

Most probably Wireless Full Link might not be permitted in Czech, but it is in Germany where the car has been really registered and is in use.

The configuration is done by simple - more or less self explaining - switches that are easy to find and also easy to set. Thus, it was very strange for me getting the answers I’ve got from professionals - considering that Czech re-import SEAT cars are very popular in Germany.

 

[Tell]

Fully understand … but in my case it was not about a feature that is part of a supplementary contractual agreement or the purchasing contract itself (within the order), neither a special option that costs extra.

It is a standard function, which is built-in and is also included in the regular price, but has been deactivated by the manufacturer - since the car was configured to ship and register it in Czech. (But only for one day, by a specialized service provider. This is a common workaround to surpass dealer discount agreements.)

Most probably Wireless Full Link might not be permitted in Czech, but it is in Germany where the car has been really registered and is in use.

The configuration is done by simple - more or less self explaining - switches that are easy to find and also easy to set. Thus, it was very strange for me getting the answers I’ve got from professionals - considering that Czech re-import SEAT cars are very popular in Germany.

That falls into the buyer beware category. Certainly there was ambiguity in the early days of mib3 on Seats in the UK on what they could do (Android Auto Wireless, 3D emblematic mapping for those that use the built in mapping) whilst in Germany the options were published with prices which suggested we were not getting the full spec or may not be getting the full spec. Then it subsequently turned out that options were limited by the early software trains on UK mib3s. Seat models in the UK are sold on stripped down options unlike in Germany where you can configure the element of luxury within the spec much more than in the UK. Thus it's no surprise that lesser hardware gets fitted and lesser software if the spec is lower. The ambiguity of the spec allows that.

I was particularly exercised that the UK spec did not support full 3D emblematic mapping of buildings and features as in mib2 highs. It was in the German spec cars as an option on mib3 but not on the UK vehicles. E.g.. UK cars were effectively all mib3 standards in the old mib2 model speak, had the SSD storage of the built in maps but not the rendering as mib2 high. That's when it became apparent to me the spec in that area was downsized. Brexit and all that, the weak exchange rate means the specs are reduced to keep within price point. Irish RHD cars are better specced and have more options you can see that in the specs so nothing to do with how cars are now sold to meet European rules... that was the fob off for UK customers before Brexit was implemented but with the collapse of the pound on exchange rates on business sentiment.

It seems to me buying a car out of country runs the risk of getting a vehicle that can't be modded. The build codes which East Yorkshire Retrofit looks up are also available from Erwin and the dealer you bought the car from, they work hand in hand with coding. Those systems you see in Obdeleven are also in the build codes. I always recommend on a new car get the Erwin manuals plus the build codes then you have the full documentation if you intend to do any DIY yourself.

In reality it's best to buy a car fully specced how you want it or failing that obtain the services of a good retrofitter like East Yorkshire Retrofit or embark on DIY. The latter has pitfalls if the hardware or software isn't up to it requiring changes or if you just can't buy the part e.g.. the early days of the Ateca where the configurable boot parts couldn't be purchased.

The Android Auto Wireless being unavailable in these units falls into the two categories of the firmware not supporting it but the hardware does and the firmware suporting it but having it turned off with the hardware still supporting it. Those presumably were the German marketing offers that you saw in the early specs. The fully specced models with AAW and full 3D emblematic mapping were on the business only package of the car. One suspects that as they changed the hardware to higher specs to save on production costs by reducing the hardware range they turned off AAW to keep the same marketing offers. Meanwhile in the UK the ambiguity of whether AAW was in UK cars was resolved when they offered it on some . Toggling the Obdeleven screens for that just releases the marketing offer if your firmware and hardware allows that. It's how they manufacture and sell cars. The dealer is unlikely going to do that even if they knew that... least in Germany where they were sold with different specs in the first place.

Nb. Which firmware upgrade gives mib3 users AAW who cant do it yet on existing firmware even via coding is suppose to be being offered as a free dealer upgrade at some future point in the UK. Talk of that on Formentor and Leon 4 side of the board. That's a wait and see. East Yorkshire were hoping to offer that but I think they have pulled back for the minute. Suspect when the hobbyists master the mib3 firmware there will be DIY solutions if dealers don't offer that in the meantime. Haven't seen any yet. Far to early in the lifecycle of mib3.

 

[Crisly]

Thank you guys!!! It worked!!!! :-D

 

[kaa_77]

Hi All,

Got Tarraco Style on December 21 and have the same problem - no Wireless Android Auto.
@East Yorkshire Retrofits, maybe you can tell me by my VIN if it is possible to activate by OBD11?

Thanks!

 

[Daniel.]

Hi, I'm Daniel (Spain)

I just bought a Seat Arona from 05/2021 (yes 2021). I was told that I had wireless CarPlay but it constantly asks me for the USB C cable. There is an update but it won't let me download it, could it be that wireless CarPlay works with that update?

Could @East Yorkshire Retrofits help me find out if I can have wireless CarPlay? Thank you
Sorry for translation

 

[Daniel.]

It is already activated, thank you for the information you gave at the beginning of the post.

 

[RNRF]

Hi , does anyone know that if is possible to activate full link app ?
I did not order it on the ordering of the car and would like to activate it now.
Thnks