Spare wheel

[Excalpino]

I agree 225/45 17 tyre = 432mm rim + 2*101.25mm sidewalls = 634mm diameter and 1992 mm circumference,

it's the different size of the space saver that concerned me ... but it doesn't concern Seat?

 

[niggle]

it's the different size of the space saver that concerned me ... but it doesn't concern Seat?

Why should they be concerned? Given that the 16", 17" and 18" full size tyres fitted to Leon Mk3s are all have rolling circumference within a few mm of each other and that most of these vehicles with the space-saver spare option will have the 125/70R16 variant supplied, what is the real advantage of the 18" space-saver tyre? Do you even know what the exact size is for the 18" space-saver tyre?

Our previous Golf Mk5 had 205/55R16 tyres and the same 125/70R16 space-saver spare. There are millions of VAG cars worldwide with exactly the same configuration.

 

[roger7248]

I bought ours after it left the factory with the standard gunk option. At the time, not sure now, Seat didn't do an aftermarket spare.

The dealer sourced a Fiat Punto spacesaver with jack etc all in a "foam" holder that fits in the space available, all for £195. (They are Fiat dealers as well). Wanted to take the gunk option away, but relented when I said i had already paid for that, so its mine!!

Must admit haven't checked sizes etc., but assume everything is OK

 

[StevenM]

I think you'll have a problem with a Punto wheel Roger. The PCD on your Leon is 112mm and on the Punto it's 110mm, so the bolt holes will be 1mm off centre. The hub centres are different too, 57.1 on your Leon and 58.1 on the Punto.

If I were you I'd be taking it back to the dealer for a refund.


Sent from my piece of shite iPhone - according to Muz.

 

[Pheo]

When ordering mine I didn't really realise they didn't come with a spare.

Although its a company lease and someone else is paying the breakdown cover, I don't like the idea of the tyre stuff, or being stuck waiting for rescue when I could have just driven it to the next kwikfit and had them fit a new tyre!

How do I work out what the right spare is to buy? Will any reaonsably recent golf spare wheel do? 17" alloys on it at the moment.

 

[roger7248]

I think you'll have a problem with a Punto wheel Roger. The PCD on your Leon is 112mm and on the Punto it's 110mm, so the bolt holes will be 1mm off centre. The hub centres are different too, 57.1 on your Leon and 58.1 on the Punto.

If I were you I'd be taking it back to the dealer for a refund.


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Thanks Steven. I'll put it on tomorrow, well at least try, and see what happens. Perhaps i should have done it earlier

 

[keithjeb]

My car was supplied with 18" performance alloys as requested,
however the 'space-saver' spare is a 16" wheel fitted with a 125/70 R16
tyre. I was told that this was a result of 'supply difficulties' at the
time of manufacture, ( week 11).

The '70' part of the tyre spec is the height of the tyre sidewall as a percentage of the width. Also known as the aspect ratio. i.e. a 125/70 has a sidewall height of 125mm* 0.70 = 87.5mm

my 225/40 tyres have a sidewall height of 225mm *0.4 = 90mm


What this means is that my leon on 18" rims with 225/40 tyres has a tyre diameter of
457mm (rim) + 2* 90mm sidewalls = 637mm. (25.08") Circumference 2000mm

Whereas my poor old 16" space saver will have diameter of
406.4mm (rim) + 2*87.5mm sidewalls = 581.4mm (22.9") Circumference 1824mm

Difference = 8.8% difference
Im not happy, especially when I know that 18" space savers are normally supplied for this model.
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I really don't see what your issue is, its an emergency spare, rated to 40mph. an 8% difference in circumference isn't going to be great for the handling, but its easily capable of being compensated by the suspension unless you're caning it, which you shouldn't be with the spare on. Literally the only thing you can't do with that that you could with the 18 is retrofit the seat sound sub.

 

[niggle]

I really don't see what your issue is, its an emergency spare, rated to 40mph. an 8% difference in circumference isn't going to be great for the handling, but its easily capable of being compensated by the suspension unless you're caning it, which you shouldn't be with the spare on.

^ This.

The 50mph/80kph warning sticker on the space-saver is there for a reason.

If you had a BMW or MINI with runflat tyres you would see much more than 8% difference in circumference with a deflated tyre.

I got stuck behind an Insignia bimbling along at 20mph the other day. When we got to the dual carriageway and I could safely pass I could see that the poor sod had his spacesaver on the OSF corner. The Insignia looked like a funny car dragster with an obvious nose-down stance due to the much reduced diameter of the spacesaver.

 

[martin j.]

When we had a Honda ctr the space saver would only fit on the rear, it would not clear the front discs, so if it was a little different in diameter it wouldn't make much difference to driving getting dragged around on the back.

We have a different problem with the S2000, if we have the boot full and get a puncture, were the hell do I put a full size wheel and tyre that doesn't fit in the slot for the space saver. Doh Honda.

 

[redelephant]

I've just bought a six months old FR 1.8 on 17" wheels, which came without the spare wheel. I'd like to get one for it, and I agree with Excalpino that the 16" spare is plain wrong - the difference in wheel rolling diameters will overwork the diff if you have to use the spare on the front.

So I need the 18" version. As others have said, plenty of Golf and Audi ones available from breakers - but to be sure of getting the right part, I'd like to know the VAG part number. Can anybody help me with this please?

It's stamped on the wheel rim and is something like 1K0601027B (this might be the right number but I'm not certain)

 

[niggle]

I agree with Excalpino that the 16" spare is plain wrong - the difference in wheel rolling diameters will overwork the diff if you have to use the spare on the front.

If this were the case then cars fitted with run-flat tyres would be routinely destroying their diffs when they suffered a puncture, no?

That's what the diff is there for. Going round corners will not destroy your diff. Even an aggressive plate diff would cope with an 8% speed difference across the axle.

The amount of FUD and bullshit propagated on this forum continues to amaze me.

 

[kingstonian]

can you fit a proper 16 inch spare wheel in the wheel compartment?
or the width would be too high?

 

[redelephant]

If this were the case then cars fitted with run-flat tyres would be routinely destroying their diffs when they suffered a puncture, no?

That's what the diff is there for. Going round corners will not destroy your diff. Even an aggressive plate diff would cope with an 8% speed difference across the axle.

The amount of FUD and bullshit propagated on this forum continues to amaze me.

No need to be rude, niggle. The point about so-called run-flats is that they don't go flat - hence their rolling diameter doesn't actually change very much. And by the way, I didn't say anything about diffs being destroyed.

Anybody else out there got a constructive response to my query, please?

 

[Seastormer]

i bought my leon last week of jan ordered spare spacesaver with jack etc £285 got a bargain me thinks

Got mine for nowt, haggled into the deal, but should have only cost £95, sounds like not a bargain.

 

[roger7248]

Got mine for nowt, haggled into the deal, but should have only cost £95, sounds like not a bargain.

That's the OEM cost since they can credit the standard gunge, pump etc.. Buying as an accessory costs a lot more!

 

[niggle]

No need to be rude, niggle. The point about so-called run-flats is that they don't go flat - hence their rolling diameter doesn't actually change very much.

Wrong again, genius. The clue is in the name - "run flat". They do go flat but you can run on them. Yet more FUD.

 

[niggle]

Anybody else out there got a constructive response to my query, please?

Only this: STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE!

 

[roger7248]

Originally Posted by StevenM View Post
I think you'll have a problem with a Punto wheel Roger. The PCD on your Leon is 112mm and on the Punto it's 110mm, so the bolt holes will be 1mm off centre. The hub centres are different too, 57.1 on your Leon and 58.1 on the Punto.

If I were you I'd be taking it back to the dealer for a refund.

Sent from my piece of shite iPhone - according to Muz.

Thanks Steven. I'll put it on tomorrow, well at least try, and see what happens. Perhaps i should have done it earlier

Taken me a bit of time, but I can confirm the wheel fits perfectly. However it might be my understanding of Spanish. The jack is a VWAG specifically for Leon 2013->, and some others and VWAG appears on other bits.
The wheel has a label on which states "Linea/punto... 2/M3". Maybe that doesn't stand for "Fiat Punto"! The part number is W05K0601011AA. Doesn't come up on google, but anybody with a parts list???

 

[Thursday]

Take the W and the first 0 off and you get 5K0601011AA, which is a good part number. Looks to be a standard VWAG space saver spare wheel.

If you got it and the tool kit for £195 you did bloody well. Dealer cost on the spare wheel is about £160 plus vat.

 

[Seastormer]

That's the OEM cost since they can credit the standard gunge, pump etc.. Buying as an accessory costs a lot more!

Yeh but smurf123 says he paid that price when he ordered the car.