To DSG or not DSG that is the question

[Jedimaster65]

I agree with what Warren said earlier, - I drove an FR DSG and manual back to back and didn't like the interference of the DSG overriding my gear selection, I like to be in total control.

If, however, you are used to ordinary auto boxes, and do a lot a city driving with stop-start traffic, then DSG is a winner !

It's just a matter of personal preference.

 

[GainfulShrimp]

Yes, I mean lower gears.

 

[Bedlam]

I drove an FR DSG and manual back to back and didn't like the interference of the DSG overriding my gear selection, I like to be in total control.

Sounds like you forgot to use Tiptronic (virtually manual) Mode

 

[warren_cox]

I drove an FR DSG and manual back to back and didn't like the interference of the DSG overriding my gear selection, I like to be in total control.

Sounds like you forgot to use Tiptronic (virtually manual) Mode

I recently drove an S5 with tiptronic auto flappy paddle job. If I didn't keep interfering with the gear after so many 'seconds' it would revert to doing its own thing. I had it set to S mode. Is this an 'Audi' specific condition, or did I have the wrong setting turned on?

 

[predo]

you need to put it in manual mode using gear lever. Only then it will be truly manual.
In D or S you can over ride gear by using paddles but it will revert back to automatic after few seconds?
I use it to shift up when accelerating, its nice because you don't need to remember to set it back to automatic, just flip it once, keep on driving and back in automatic

 

[GainfulShrimp]

... or if you don't want to wait, you can click and hold the '+' paddle and it'll switch immediately back to D or S (whatever you had it on before you flapped the paddle, so to speak).

I find I'm using the paddles less and less. I generally use D but switch to S for overtaking. Only rarely do I bother choosing gears myself. Probably just lazy I guess.

 

[Bedlam]

I drove an FR DSG and manual back to back and didn't like the interference of the DSG overriding my gear selection, I like to be in total control.

I recently drove an S5 with tiptronic auto flappy paddle job. If I didn't keep interfering with the gear after so many 'seconds' it would revert to doing its own thing. I had it set to S mode. Is this an 'Audi' specific condition, or did I have the wrong setting turned on?

Using the paddles will allow gearshifts up/down manually whatever "mode" you are in be it "D" (Drive) or "S" (Sport) (but not allow overreving)
However, as you found out Warren, it will revert to regular "D" or "S" programming shortly afterwards, it is therefore a sort of "kickdown plus".

However had you selcted "D" (Drive) and pushed the gear lever to the left you would have entered the Tiptronic Gate which allows "manual" driving via the gear lever or paddles.
The only restraints on this are that the DSG will not change down until the point is reached where the engine could no longer overrev e.g. attempting say 6th to 2nd at 80 MPH, which no one should want to do anyway.
It will also "change itself" up slightly before reaching max permitted revs for the gear you are in if you do not do so manually

So in Tiptronic you can drive it "manually" but not overrev..............hope this makes sense

 

[warren_cox]

Using the paddles will allow gearshifts up/down manually whatever "mode" you are in be it "D" (Drive) or "S" (Sport) (but not allow overreving)
However, as you found out Warren, it will revert to regular "D" or "S" programming shortly afterwards, it is therefore a sort of "kickdown plus".

However had you selcted "D" (Drive) and pushed the gear lever to the left you would have entered the Tiptronic Gate which allows "manual" driving via the gear lever or paddles.
The only restraints on this are that the DSG will not change down until the point is reached where the engine could no longer overrev e.g. attempting say 6th to 2nd at 80 MPH, which no one should want to do anyway.
It will also "change itself" up slightly before reaching max permitted revs for the gear you are in if you do not do so manually

So in Tiptronic you can drive it "manually" but not overrev..............hope this makes sense

 

[Jedimaster65]

...I see...

I had the thing reverting to auto after 20 seconds of no changes, that really was annoying !



I still prefer the manual, especially with such a sweet 6 speed box as the FR / Cupra.

Now let's get changing those gears ourselves and stop all being so lazy...the lack of excercise is really unhealthy!

 

[Bedlam]

...I see...
I had the thing reverting to auto after 20 seconds of no changes, that really was annoying !

I still prefer the manual, especially with such a sweet 6 speed box as the FR / Cupra.
Now let's get changing those gears ourselves and stop all being so lazy...the lack of excercise is really unhealthy!

Well now Jedi
I would have thought with a name like yours you would relish going for "The Tiptronic Gate" warp factor, sounds like something straight out of Star Wars

 

[Hurdy]

Alternatively you could remap the DSG MCU and then it does truly become a different beast altogether

 

[jcp]

They work well and are great fun- you can set for full manual override but there is no benefit other than a bit of amusement as the box changes faster than you can and is cleverer than anyone but a quality racer in point to point driving. No auto does as well as a good and experienced driver can in snow but it is better than most normal drivers just take the foot off the brake and let it do its own thing from standstill and remember all control inputs should be whisper delicate and you will get along.
After nearly 40 years of driving I amm convinced it is as good as anything yet made except at low speed reversing.

 

[Chuy]

Alternatively you could remap the DSG MCU and then it does truly become a different beast altogether

That sounds interesting... do you know where can I find more information regarding this ?

What are the benefits and risks of remaping the DSG MCU?

I read somewhere that the DSG MCU ensures that the motor will not send more torque than the gearbox can handle....

 

[Chuy]

Launch control? am i missing something in my DSG?

If you have a petrol Engine... You are missing a lot of fun , The launch control will let you do very very quick starts, quicker than on a manual gearbox !

I thought launch control was only on the petrol.

With the snow & ice it was hopless, the wheels just spun even putting it in manual it wouldn't let you change up to a higher gear it would only pull away in first when sometimes you wanted to be in second or third, i even struggled to get up a small incline.

I would like to have an answer for this... In Mexico we only get the Petrol FR... perhaps somebody here know for sure?

 

[Eyeball Paul]

i think unless you do alot of town driving, steer away from DSG. It works really well but for driving experience got to be manual it really did take some of the driving involvment away for me, but depends how you like to drive.
As to re mapping a dsg i had my last car done mark 5 golf gti dsg, was fine they tone the torque down slightly i think thats about it. Was a Revo map made it quit jerky at lower speeds and not so smoothe a change but nothing to bad. Only really noticed it when i had the ecu flashed back to standard before i sold it was alot smoother

 

[Hurdy]

That sounds interesting... do you know where can I find more information regarding this ?

What are the benefits and risks of remaping the DSG MCU?

I read somewhere that the DSG MCU ensures that the motor will not send more torque than the gearbox can handle....

Look on the GIAC American website

http://www.giacusa.com/programs.php?mpid=185

 

[Chuy]

Look on the GIAC American website

Got it, thanks!

 

[Toxic]

Would you care to elaborate on the "hopelessness in ice", particularly as winter is coming and it will be my first using a DSG box in the cold North!!!!!!

please note, for snow driving on ANY automatic you should use the selector and select manual gears, you dont want a car changing gears in any difficult driving conditions. thats why they have the option to select manual.

 

[Bedlam]

Exactly my understanding - that's why I asked the OP to elaborate!!!

 

[PhilYerBoots]

DSG for me...

I've owned both the 140 diesel and TFSI petrol Leon DSG models and have to agree with the pro-DSG comments on here.
Whilst its not perfect, I think the DSG box does a pretty good job of choosing and changing gears in 'D' or 'S' modes. I know die-hard manual lovers prefer more 'involvement' but IMO you can still get that with either both hands on the wheel with the paddles or tiptronic mode on the stick.
The one minor critisism I have with the DSG box on the Leon is that 'S' mode could change gears a bit sooner, as you tend to sound like too much of a racer, or maybe that's my age showing...!
The 'acid test' would be if that you were to do a poll of owners on here that have actually owned DSG cars rather than just driven them, I'm pretty sure most would stick with DSG in the future rather than go back to a manual (I know I would..)