278bhp / 253lbft torque on std Cupra!

[Al]

Thinking about an S3 intercooler upgade but still don,t understand exactly what advantge its going to give me, considering that its used purely as a road car

When I fitted mine, i noticed boost come in quicker and harder. We noticed this when we did Owens one too. It seems to pull harder toward the top end as well, and this is indicative on the dyno print off.

On a spirited blast, the car is not going to need to cool itself as hard either.

 

[gulzar]

After taking my Cupra to the Motorscope Rolling Road afternoon my Standard managed the following fantastic result:-

278.6bhp @ 6198rpm
253.6lbft torque @ 3059rpm

The car is standard only has a Milltek Cat-back exhaust.

As you can imagine I was shocked, staggered & over the moon with the results.

My question is has my car already been remapped before I owned it? It was an ex-demo and 9 months old when I bought it.

I was intending to Bluefin the car at Christmas time. Question is do I bother?

Would the remap take it to around 300bhp??

On the day I was only expecting around 250bhp.

Has anyone had similar figures for their standard Cupra's?

My understanding is that the Motorscope rollers are pretty much accurate as people managed similar figures than that of a previous event at RS Tuning in Leeds.

Cheers

RickyD

hi ricky, just to add, with regards to your figures, i'd say there pretty much right. my mates edition 30 is same engine as yours and his would be just behind me with a mapped lcr. with regards to your bluefin query, the same mate with the edition 30 has got it done to his car. its a great map, very linear with no torque spikes, he was running bout 310+bhp, and now with a decat and full turbo back exhaust he's been dyno'd producing over 350+ bhp. i'd say your not mapped as the power curve looks very similar to a standard car. vag always underestimate there figures. a remap would take you straight past 300+ bhp with most companies.

good luck. gulzar

 

[Al]

Crossover point will always be the same for hp and lb/ft - 5252rpm

Eh?

 

[Blade]

Crossover point will always be the same for hp and lb/ft - 5252rpm

Looks around 4750 for me?

 

[lordgibbness]

Eh?

Do you actually understand the relationship between torque and power? Power is simply calculated from torque at the particular engine speed.

If you are quoting the photo as reasoning behind your thoughts, the scales on boths sides are not the same...

 

[lordgibbness]

Looks around 4750 for me?

It would be impossible if we are talking about horsepower and pounds per foot.

 

[Blade]

When I fitted mine, i noticed boost come in quicker and harder. We noticed this when we did Owens one too. It seems to pull harder toward the top end as well, and this is indicative on the dyno print off.

On a spirited blast, the car is not going to need to cool itself as hard either.

Sounds like the S3 cooler is the way to go then - it will suit my budget too

 

[Blade]

It would be impossible if we are talking about horsepower and pounds per foot.

Sorry, i just don,t understand where you are coming from on this.

djhorace - can you shed some light on this?

 

[lordgibbness]

I'd suggest reading up on power and torque. They are always equal at 5252rpm

 

[Al]

http://www.iprocessmart.com/techsmart/formulas.htm

HORSEPOWER FORMULA
For Rotating Objects HP = (TXN)/5252

Where T = Torque (lbft)
N = Speed (rpm)


The point I was making was that on the print out off, my car was dyno tested on a similar rolling road, and I have a similar print off with the scaling the same on both sides and the cross over point on my plot was about 1000rpm higher than Blades is on that one.

Blade - I can recommend it, especially if you can get it fitted for a fair price or do it yourself. I promise you will notice a difference, not night and day difference, but a difference nonetheless

 

[lordgibbness]

The point I was making was that on the print out off, my car was dyno tested on a similar rolling road, and I have a similar print off with the scaling the same on both sides and the cross over point on my plot was about 1000rpm higher than Blades is on that one.

Pointless comment though really, as the crossover point will always be the same point in the rev range (regardless of the amount of power or torque).

 

[Al]

The other thing I notice is that my peak torque figure is less than yours Blade.

At Ricky - my graph was very similar to yours when my car was standard - torque was all over the place like yours is. I dont think your car is mapped going by the graph.

 

[Carr20vt]

Blade your power curve seems very aggressive upto the 3k rev mark. My graphs look very different (Revo 2). I have a few graphs showing 308whp at 6.5k revs.

 

[Poverty]

Rob is just running a KMD pump and Milltek TBE though isnt he? No intercooler or intake upgrade? Not sure I would be running Stage 2+ with only those mods.

What was your wheel hp figure?

Didnt revo run just those mods when featured in performance car mag though?

The intercooler will just help with consistent power output but doesnt really add bhp no?

 

[Blade]

Blade your power curve seems very aggressive upto the 3k rev mark. My graphs look very different (Revo 2). I have a few graphs showing 308whp at 6.5k revs.

Its the torque that builds really low. You can drive it really quickly without going over 4k. In gear acceleration is very crisp

 

[Carr20vt]

Its the torque that builds really low. You can drive it really quickly without going over 4k. In gear acceleration is very crisp

Nice.

I feel like i have to rev mine alot to before i get the most out of it.

 

[RobH]

It puzzles me why people would run stage 2+ without all the hardware required though especially when the likes of Revo is adjustable.

For example, if a fuel pump is added, fuelling can be increased (lower number on Revo settings).

At the end of the day, its all well and good claiming to be at "Stage 2+", but really, you are not at that level without all the bits to go with it. The figure 317bhp figure is 4bhp lower than another Cupra up this way was at with Revo Stage 1, Milltek and Carbonio.

1st ok i understand where your coming from but like poverty says revo ran there k1 with the exact same mods as me for a fair while and not everyone can afford to blow £2.5k on all the mods required straight away.

2nd you carnt adjust the fuel settings on revo until you get revo stage 2+ code hence why i got it.

3rd i know it isnt fully stage 2+ yet (intake is in the post) and my car wasnt running too good either with the poof of black smoke around 5000rpms which needs logging on vagcom but point taken dj .

im glad i put on the rollers as somethings not quite right whopfully we can have a better comparison next time round blade with all the hardware to go with stage 2+ and the smoke problem solved.

 

[Blade]

im glad i put on the rollers as somethings not quite right whopfully we can have a better comparison next time round blade with all the hardware to go with stage 2+ and the smoke problem solved.

No worries Rob, looking forward to a rematch

 

[RobH]

No worries Rob, looking forward to a rematch

dont forget my lollypop

 

[Blade]

dont forget my lollypop

Touche