MK1 Leon GT2x Build - thats it folks

[RobDon]

You always get the 'haters' and keyboard 'experts' coming out of their holes and bashing stuff for no good reason and with ZERO factual proof ... fact of forum life!

Build-up threads are usually slow going, especially when waiting on stuff and also free funds etc.

What I meant MORK was that they are sold out due to popular demand and are waiting for more parts to be manufactured and made available.

 

[jamiebennett81]

You always get the 'haters' and keyboard 'experts' coming out of their holes and bashing stuff for no good reason and with ZERO factual proof ... fact of forum life!

Build-up threads are usually slow going, especially when waiting on stuff and also free funds etc.

What I meant MORK was that they are sold out due to popular demand and are waiting for more parts to be manufactured and made available.

thanks Rob

 

[m0rk]

You always get the 'haters' and keyboard 'experts' coming out of their holes and bashing stuff for no good reason and with ZERO factual proof ... fact of forum life!

Build-up threads are usually slow going, especially when waiting on stuff and also free funds etc.

What I meant MORK was that they are sold out due to popular demand and are waiting for more parts to be manufactured and made available.

Hardly a forum hater Rob, if that was a snidey dig...... I'd say I've had more 1st hand experience of fitting an ATP product than you? fortunately I wasn't the one waiting for months being told that it was "shipping next week"

I think I was right all along though, cash up front, in sufficient investment, hence production delays. Whether the product works or not wasn't my point

 

[jamiebennett81]

anyway moving on....

 

[DPJ]

anyway moving on....

Let's not forget whose forum this is ^^^^^

 

[RobDon]

My comments were not aimed at anyone in particular, just a general observation, but nobody seems to care if their comments upset people so why should I care?

 

[ibizacupra]

feck me........ summat in the water ?
chill FFS people

 

[jamiebennett81]

Let's not forget whose forum this is ^^^^^

not quite sure it warrants/justifies the comments made in a non relevant thread though concerning customer service and supplies from a particular manfucturer (as already advised, issues in particular with a manufacturer should be made in its own thread and separate entirity)

hence why I said moving on as enough has been said, and back on topic of my build thread

Thanks

 

[davet175]

so how is the bulid coming on?
one thing i would add is that the backet you have on the std turbo on to the manifold does not come with the atp kit so one may need to be made up as i have ahd issues with the studs on the kit. ended up putting different uprated engine mount and poly bushes as well as high tensile steel studs to stop it pulling them through.
work for that is currently beiing done at amd.

 

[DPJ]

so how is the bulid coming on?
one thing i would add is that the backet you have on the std turbo on to the manifold does not come with the atp kit so one may need to be made up as i have ahd issues with the studs on the kit. ended up putting different uprated engine mount and poly bushes as well as high tensile steel studs to stop it pulling them through.
work for that is currently beiing done at amd.

Which studs?

 

[jamiebennett81]

so how is the bulid coming on?
one thing i would add is that the backet you have on the std turbo on to the manifold does not come with the atp kit so one may need to be made up as i have ahd issues with the studs on the kit. ended up putting different uprated engine mount and poly bushes as well as high tensile steel studs to stop it pulling them through.
work for that is currently beiing done at amd.

HI Mate

build is slow........lol!

My supplier got through to one of the main guys at ATP and complained massively! and fair play as his point is completely justified having paid the money and not received the goods!

anyway we have been told from this guy (equivalent of one of the managers over there) that it is being shipped this week (possibly today!)....I continue to live in hope

anyway getting back to your point, no one has mentioned to me about studs etc, (in fact I have never heard of the term studs in regards to this kit) as from speaking with others who have done this work I was in the knowledge (and general understanding of the kit) that this turbo bolts straight onto the standard manifold. You mention bracket? what do you mean by bracket? my understanding is that you will have the gaskets, manifold and turbo ones and this will bolt straight on with very little trouble (dependant on custom DP)

so what are AMD doing exactly then, in terms of making up these "studs"....I'm confused!

EDIT: oh and in addition I am getting quotes from AMD for a stage 3 clutch upgrade, as the car will not map too well I imagine and will be slipping on the rollers with the standard clutch in...so will have to get that done first and bedded in, or it could be a waste of time getting the build and remap done if the clutch cannot cope!

 

[DPJ]

Std turbo is mounted to the block with a bracket. My understanding is that this bracket is mainly for engine assembly ease in the factory. I don't know of anyone who has fitted a replacement bracket with an ATP turbo..........

I had major issues with the (studs?) turbo>manifold bolts supplied with ATP manifolds (and therefore ATP kits).

There's an old thread somewhere - the expert opinion is that turbo heat will render 12.8 grade HT steel bolts non-HT very soon.

 

[jamiebennett81]

Std turbo is mounted to the block with a bracket. My understanding is that this bracket is mainly for engine assembly ease in the factory. I don't know of anyone who has fitted a replacement bracket with an ATP turbo..........

I had major issues with the (studs?) turbo>manifold bolts supplied with ATP manifolds (and therefore ATP kits).

There's an old thread somewhere - the expert opinion is that turbo heat will render 12.8 grade HT steel bolts non-HT very soon.

no I dont either DPJ...all I have heard of is the turbo bolting straight on. When I spoke to Rob Don he did not have any issues with a "bracket" and it just went straight on

not sure if the manifold issue will still apply to me as I have the JBS high flow manifold, so this should be fine

either way, the turbo WILL BE GOING on

 

[davet175]

as you look on top of the manifold the 3 nuts you see the studs for them have needed replacing and also make sure when it arrives the turbo has the water pipe fitting in it as mine did not.
turbo to manifold bolts are the issue so we have got some top grade hi tensile ones fitted today.

as for the map... spent 3 days at power engineering and got a map in the end still not happy with it so may get another opinion to it soon

have to say when its all done and see over 300 is bang on..

 

[jamiebennett81]

as you look on top of the manifold the 3 nuts you see the studs for them have needed replacing and also make sure when it arrives the turbo has the water pipe fitting in it as mine did not.
turbo to manifold bolts are the issue so we have got some top grade hi tensile ones fitted today.

as for the map... spent 3 days at power engineering and got a map in the end still not happy with it so may get another opinion to it soon

have to say when its all done and see over 300 is bang on..

i doubt you will see 300bhp

290 is the maximum that ATP quote and thats even with a high flow manifold

I am surprised you have gone to power engineering, not saying anything is wrong with them but its not a typical choice on these forums. You would be best off going to AMD, jabbasport etc as IMO they know more about VAG cars

 

[PhilW]

2-3 weeks. lmao.

 

[RobDon]

GT2X is not capable of 300bhp, mine maxed out at 287bhp on the ATP manifold, it did make 309lbft of torque though. The JBS tubular manifold *might* lift that figure, can't say until it's been tried though.

My plans for this year is to buy the JBS mani and send my GT2X off to CR Turbos to be reworked for more performance, they are confident they can improve it.

 

[jamiebennett81]

GT2X is not capable of 300bhp, mine maxed out at 287bhp on the ATP manifold, it did make 309lbft of torque though. The JBS tubular manifold *might* lift that figure, can't say until it's been tried though.

My plans for this year is to buy the JBS mani and send my GT2X off to CR Turbos to be reworked for more performance, they are confident they can improve it.

just called CR Turbos....awaiting a call back for further information and quotes on what they could do with the GT2x, if anything can be done

I guess something could be done, if you have made enquiries to it already

maybe just to push it a little towards or over the 300bhp mark, but keeping it with the standard bolt on manifold type fitting (all be it it's a JBS manifold which will be going on)

what have they said to you Rob, in regards to what they would exactly do to the turbo to improve performance

porting and re-working of the turbine...with ceramic coating to strengthen it?

 

[PhilW]

cupra_mat got just over 300bhp on his Gt2X.

But for info, the GT2X is basically a Gt25, so if you want to look up the specs on that that should tell you roughly what sort of figures it can get, minus a little to take into account the small exhaust housing.

 

[jamiebennett81]

cupra_mat got just over 300bhp on his Gt2X.

But for info, the GT2X is basically a Gt25, so if you want to look up the specs on that that should tell you roughly what sort of figures it can get, minus a little to take into account the small exhaust housing.

thanks Phil

I am guessing when anyone goes hybrid i.e. k03 etc, that they re-work the exhaust housing, turbines etc...so I am guessing they would do the same for the gt2x

however, one thing always worries me, if a turbo is stated at say 290bhp max, and it then goes off to be reworked (almost hybrid style) does this not shorten the life of the turbo as although it has been reworked and strengthened, you are still pushing out more power on that turbo unit than it was originally intended/designed for?

hybrid gt2x would be very interesting indeed