light bulb upgrade

STPCG

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Sorry if this has been covered before but what is the opinion on the best upgrade for the normal light bulbs, H7's I have been told, anyone changed? better or worse opinions would be very welcomed. The standard bulbs don't seem to be upto it, especialy in the lanes around lincolnshire with no road lights or cats eyes!!

Thanks in advance.

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RobDon

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I recently switched to the new Philips X-treme H7's and they are awesome, WAY more light output that any other halogen I've tried before (I've tried all the usual +50% suspects from Philips, OSRAM, etc.) - they are very good indeed!
 

STPCG

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Rob your car is awsome :-o nice gallery just wish the long haired general would let me loose with some coin to do some of those mods. Been on some varied rims I see.

I have looked at the Phillips X-tremes (+50% H7s) they seem to be a good price also. Cant stretch to the HID's, plus they seem like alot of work, just need better lights than standard.

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RobM

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Cant stretch to the HID's, plus they seem like alot of work, just need better lights than standard.

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Playing devils advocate here for a second.... a good set of bulbs will set you back £25-30 for main beams only. If you look in my 'Cheap HID' thread you'll see HID kits for between £65-70 delivered. That's not a massive amount more, but you're getting a massive amount more.

And when you see the kit you'll see it's actually very easy to fit.... 30-45 mins tops if you're slow. I'll be doing a write up on how to fit them as soon as I have my car back (probably a week or so).

Just thought I'd leave you with that thought ;)
 

STPCG

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Thanks mate, will look forward to the write up when it comes, it may change my thoughts. Thats why these great forums are here :D spreddin the news.

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I was looking at getting some Phillips X tremes, but everywhere seems to be out of stock, with new stock due from Phillips in March.

If anyone knows of anywhere that currently has stock, I'd appreciate it :)
 

RobDon

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You have to bear in mind that these HID into halogen kits are illegal in the UK though, plus you have to mount ballasts etc., so to stay legal and less cost, hassle, etc., the X-tremes are the next best thing. I've had these HID kits in the past on my Leon (got flashed alot for glare) and the X-tremes have impressed me alot.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featuresvideos/204742/xenon_test.html
 
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RikH

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£33 for 2 bulbs
each to their own but id never pay that

osram silverstars are as good as, if not a little way behind these, but are approx 1/3rd the price!
 

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You have to bear in mind that these HID into halogen kits are illegal in the UK though, plus you have to mount ballasts etc., so to stay legal and less cost, hassle, etc., the X-tremes are the next best thing. I've had these HID kits in the past on my Leon (got flashed alot for glare) and the X-tremes have impressed me alot.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featuresvideos/204742/xenon_test.html

Anybody who believes that video or takes it as gospel needs their head looking at. It's so flawed it's incredible. The car used to 'prove a point' is notorious for having badly focused headlights, they clearly haven't had their headlights aligned after fitting the HID's and the lenses on the headlights are very different to the Leons and most modern car units. It's not credible in the slightest.

As for the rest of your points...

Cost... £40 more for improved safety, visibility and for kit that should last as long as the car itself is well worth it in my eyes.

Mounting ballasts... good HID kits come with brackets that make this a two minute job. Fitting an entire kit takes 30 minutes so no issue there.

Hassle... what hassle? The only thing you may need to do is get your headlights aligned after fitting, but you should do that anyway with halogen kits as it counts as part of the MOT test.

People have passed MOT's time and time again with HID kits fitted, as many posters on this forum will testify to, so no worries there. And if you found when you fitted your kit that you were getting flashed, I would suggest you need to adjust the headlights so they aren't so high and get them aligned correctly. Most guides you read about fitting these kits suggest that too.

And these kits have not been declared out and out illegal. It is very much a grey area, I wont deny that. But if you read the legislation there is only one area that may cause concern, and that's relating to the washers. The self levelling thing isn't a problem as any car with self levelling suspension or with an headlight height dial inside the cabin passes this requirement. And as for the washers, so long as you don't have stupidly dirty headlamps there is no problem here.

So fitting aftermarket HID kis is no more of a concern than fitting blue tinted Halogen bulbs, blue sidelights, alternative number plates etc etc etc.
 

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Can you please show me the EU or government legislation that says that?

If you like, I can show you the legislation that proves otherwise?
 

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By the way... this quote is taken from a DFT factsheet:

In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon

I'll find you the rest of the reading if you like?

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One more thing, while I'm thinking about it, is when it comes to the headlight washers, this requirement is for ANY LIGHT that outputs more than 2000 Lumens, it is no specific to HID bulbs. So if you go and fir superb bright Halogen bulbs that give more light, you'll need to consider this also.
 
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RobM

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Found it... here is the fact sheet that should answer all your questions...

------------------FACT SHEET--------------
December 2006

Aftermarket HID headlamps


In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.


If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street Telephone: 020 7944 2078
London Fax: 020 7944 2196
SW1P 4DR Email: [email protected]
 
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RobM

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It is not legal to use - hence it's illegal to use them, you just answered your own question?

Sorry, you caught me mid-edit so I've posted it as a new post instead of editing my original... read the fact sheet where that quote came from and you'll see what I'm referring to.
 
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