hmmm diesel vs petrol..............4000rpm, clunk, gear change.....
not saying that there would be alot in it but standard vs standard initially the 206 would be ahead
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hmmm diesel vs petrol..............4000rpm, clunk, gear change.....
not saying that there would be alot in it but standard vs standard initially the 206 would be ahead
well that what parkers says,
the 138bhp spec:
GeneralProduction 1 Jun 1999 until now
Length 3822 mm
Width 1673 mm
Height 1433 mm
Weight 1125 kg
Fuel Delivery Multi point fuel injection
Transmission Manual
Gears 5 Speed
PerformanceEngine Size 1997 cc
Cylinders 4
0-60 mph 8.0 s
Power Output 138 bhp
Valves 16
Torque 190 Nm 143 lb-ft
Top Speed 130 mph
PracticalityWheelbase 2445 mm
Luggage Capacity 237 L
Fuel Capacity 50 L
Turning Circle 10 m
Unbraked Towing Weight 540 kg
Braked Towing Weight 1100 kg
The 180bhp spec:
GeneralProduction 1 Jan 2003 until now
Length 3822 mm
Width 1673 mm
Height 1433 mm
Weight 1125 kg
Fuel Delivery Multi point fuel injection
Transmission Manual
Gears 5 Speed
PerformanceEngine Size 1997 cc
Cylinders 4
0-60 mph 7.5 s
Power Output 180 bhp
Valves 16
Torque 202 Nm 152 lb-ft
Top Speed 137 mph
PracticalityWheelbase 2445 mm
Luggage Capacity 237 L
Fuel Capacity 50 L
Turning Circle 10 m
Unbraked Towing Weight 575 kg
Braked Towing Weight 1100 kg
Overal they are lighter cars than seat!
the 138bhp spec:
GeneralProduction 1 Jun 1999 until now
Length 3822 mm
Width 1673 mm
Height 1433 mm
Weight 1125 kg
Fuel Delivery Multi point fuel injection
Transmission Manual
Gears 5 Speed
PerformanceEngine Size 1997 cc
Cylinders 4
0-60 mph 8.0 s
Power Output 138 bhp
Valves 16
Torque 190 Nm 143 lb-ft
Top Speed 130 mph
PracticalityWheelbase 2445 mm
Luggage Capacity 237 L
Fuel Capacity 50 L
Turning Circle 10 m
Unbraked Towing Weight 540 kg
Braked Towing Weight 1100 kg
The 180bhp spec:
GeneralProduction 1 Jan 2003 until now
Length 3822 mm
Width 1673 mm
Height 1433 mm
Weight 1125 kg
Fuel Delivery Multi point fuel injection
Transmission Manual
Gears 5 Speed
PerformanceEngine Size 1997 cc
Cylinders 4
0-60 mph 7.5 s
Power Output 180 bhp
Valves 16
Torque 202 Nm 152 lb-ft
Top Speed 137 mph
PracticalityWheelbase 2445 mm
Luggage Capacity 237 L
Fuel Capacity 50 L
Turning Circle 10 m
Unbraked Towing Weight 575 kg
Braked Towing Weight 1100 kg
Overal they are lighter cars than seat!
Ultimately, power is what matters - it is a product of torque and revs. So you can get power with high torque and low revs, or high revs and low torque.
Two very different driving experiences but if they both produce exactly the same power, the lower revving higher torqued car would not be any faster.
Torque gives the feeling of speed.
Going off the quotes above, my car IS faster even from a standing start. I recorded a 0>60 of 7.5 before the remap, and got it to 7 seconds dead with the map.
yes but whats the official quoted time of your car? Everyone seems to get better 0-60's than quoted figures.
problem is, 0.5 of a second is easy to find, or lose - for starters the speedo isn't spot on so when it says 60, its probably about 55ish. Also, its easy to miscount .5 of a sec.
Point I was making wasn't that your car is slower or faster than the GTi, just that torque doesn't make a car faster, power does. Torque just makes it feel fast.
lol sorry
as for 'my car is faster cos i did 0-60 in....'
its the old story of manufacturers providing performance figures such as 0-60 when the car has a full tank and extra weight. 206 GTi's are more than capable of 7.5 seconds 0-60 under normal driving conditions.
there really isnt that much in it. but then there really isnt that much between the 206 GTi and Seat Ibiza Cupra.. and theres an 18bhp difference and a big torque difference. the diesel will get to 100mph quicker, i dont doubt this. but 0-60..the 206 only needs to change gear once.
as for 'my car is faster cos i did 0-60 in....'
its the old story of manufacturers providing performance figures such as 0-60 when the car has a full tank and extra weight. 206 GTi's are more than capable of 7.5 seconds 0-60 under normal driving conditions.
there really isnt that much in it. but then there really isnt that much between the 206 GTi and Seat Ibiza Cupra.. and theres an 18bhp difference and a big torque difference. the diesel will get to 100mph quicker, i dont doubt this. but 0-60..the 206 only needs to change gear once.
Lol not this again
torque will win
thats rubbish.
Sorry, but torque is only half of the story. Don't let the feeling of it fool you. (revs being the other half)
there's about 1000 variables in this - weight/driver skill/handling/grip/standing start vs rolling etc etc./ condition of car/ temperature of engine/drag coefficient the list goes on down to air pressure of tyres!
the 150 diesel is nippy because (surprise surprise) its a 150bhp car.
torquey + diesel ?
banging around in an old big steel heavy yankee pickup at the moment that only has officially 210 bhp and is a bit worn out to be honest but pulls like a train in any gear
but then it is 5.7 litres
banging around in an old big steel heavy yankee pickup at the moment that only has officially 210 bhp and is a bit worn out to be honest but pulls like a train in any gear
but then it is 5.7 litres
I was actually being sarcastic hence i said "Lol not this again". I know what your saying and I do agree.
thats rubbish.
Sorry, but torque is only half of the story. Don't let the feeling of it fool you. (revs being the other half)
there's about 1000 variables in this - weight/driver skill/handling/grip/standing start vs rolling etc etc./ condition of car/ temperature of engine/drag coefficient the list goes on down to air pressure of tyres!
the 150 diesel is nippy because (surprise surprise) its a 150bhp car.
my bad.Just get so tired of these...
everyday theres about 3 posts that degenerate from a xyz into "well a diesel has more torque so its faster" and I just wanted to add my 2p.
I guess you are sick of seeing it aswell then
also just to add, 0-60 times were recorded by Performance GTi mag at brunts for numerous GTi 180s and they were all capable of 6.5s-7s
so 7.5s is slightly relaxed, as is 8s for the GTi
so 7.5s is slightly relaxed, as is 8s for the GTi
But this post always was about petrol vs diesel (TDI Vs GTI) so surely you knew what to expect?
Just get so tired of these...
everyday theres about 3 posts that degenerate from a xyz into "well a diesel has more torque so its faster" and I just wanted to add my 2p.
I guess you are sick of seeing it aswell then
I still say the TDI is quicker.
you're totally right.
I guess we could never have expected it stay about the actual cars involved could we.
This is what the problem is, always turns into petrol vs dervs, no matter what cars are involved. Then someone usually throws in - "ah well torque makes things fast so that settles it" or similar.
I guess we could never have expected it stay about the actual cars involved could we.
This is what the problem is, always turns into petrol vs dervs, no matter what cars are involved. Then someone usually throws in - "ah well torque makes things fast so that settles it" or similar.
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Well this made for interesting reading this morning My derv would have trashed both f you topic over
My derv would have trashed both f you topic over 
obviously never driven a 205 GTi then
the ultimate GTi
or the 309GTi.. almost as good as the 205 if not better in some aspects!
peugeot didnt always make **** cars
the ultimate GTi
or the 309GTi.. almost as good as the 205 if not better in some aspects!
peugeot didnt always make **** cars
Next door neighbour had a 205GTi, the 1.9 variant. Not only was she hot.. but she knew enough about the car to make me go, "Hey.. you're hot."
Then I got my XR2 and I'd drive past her 205 and think, "Hey, I want a race." She pretty much owned me.
Moral of the story: 205GTis are nice. But they never became the icon the Golf did.
Anyway, we should all be thankful the topic of Escort GTi hasn't arisen yet. Zzzz..
Then I got my XR2 and I'd drive past her 205 and think, "Hey, I want a race." She pretty much owned me.
Moral of the story: 205GTis are nice. But they never became the icon the Golf did.
Anyway, we should all be thankful the topic of Escort GTi hasn't arisen yet. Zzzz..
a hot neighbour with a 205 GTi?..........got any pics?
the golf is iconic, but its not as good. I'd stretch as far to even say the 205GTi was one of the best cars ever made
the golf is iconic, but its not as good. I'd stretch as far to even say the 205GTi was one of the best cars ever made
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