Mitchy i thought this was out already, why not a group buy on the GTRS garret eliminator. I've been assured it does fit.Wait until the GTRS comes out and get an easy 320 on standard manifold or stay with this option?
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Hybrid K04 Turbo Discussion
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What you guys doing now?
Is it still a goer?
Although Feel spoke to REVO Kev and he said you could get away with just using the Standard MAF Housing with the 4 BAR! I haven't tried yet but i have had no fault code yet with my current setup!
Is it still a goer?
New MAF housing is only needed if you are going to use same software with a 4Bar FPR, as it is a cheap way of uprating the injectors.
Although Feel spoke to REVO Kev and he said you could get away with just using the Standard MAF Housing with the 4 BAR! I haven't tried yet but i have had no fault code yet with my current setup!
I paid $1,885.00 USD for the unit delivered to my door!
Which with exchange rates at the time worked out near enough as damit 1K!!
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Yumann has a Dahlback Inlet on his (stage 2 LCR) so he might have an opinion/proven gains.
I remember him saying that it puts the throttle body in a different position to stock, but I can remember if that caused him a problem fitting it...
Going off-topic (and if you want to reply, best reply in the "feeler" thread), but you honestly think you'll get more gains for your £1000 out of a Dahlback Inlet Manifold (£500) plus JBS Equal Length Exhaust Manifold (£1000-1200?)? Compared to a "bigger" turbo like Yermother's? C'mon guys, get real.
Yumann has a Dahlback Inlet on his (stage 2 LCR) so he might have an opinion/proven gains.
I remember him saying that it puts the throttle body in a different position to stock, but I can remember if that caused him a problem fitting it...
Going off-topic (and if you want to reply, best reply in the "feeler" thread), but you honestly think you'll get more gains for your £1000 out of a Dahlback Inlet Manifold (£500) plus JBS Equal Length Exhaust Manifold (£1000-1200?)? Compared to a "bigger" turbo like Yermother's? C'mon guys, get real.
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You would have to be bonkers to spend £1000 on an exhaust manifold and retain the stock turbo. Actually you would have to be bonkers to spend £1000 on an exhaust manifold full stop lol
The ATP manifold will be a 1/3 of the price and flow better than stock. As to the dahlback claims
I think im going to go with this turbo. Insurance its a winner Price its a winner and keeping things sensible as to not having to start uprating things its a winner
An everyday 300-310bhp will do just fine for me
IHI pricing is at least 3-4 times more expensive which i just cant justify which means this tubby is the next best thing. A steal @ 900 notes in my book
Going down the GTRS route onto stock manifold, your going to have mighty lag issues as already proven by someone that has had it fitted. Your going to be on limits of engine and definitely clutch! You'll have insurance issues as you cant hide a great whopping turbo
And then you'll be stuck at square 1 again with trying to upgrade things like exhaust+inlet manifolds/injectors/fuel pump etc along with eventually needing to pay for another remap.
The ATP manifold will be a 1/3 of the price and flow better than stock. As to the dahlback claims
I think im going to go with this turbo. Insurance its a winner
Price its a winner and keeping things sensible as to not having to start uprating things its a winner An everyday 300-310bhp will do just fine for me
IHI pricing is at least 3-4 times more expensive which i just cant justify which means this tubby is the next best thing. A steal @ 900 notes in my book
Going down the GTRS route onto stock manifold, your going to have mighty lag issues as already proven by someone that has had it fitted. Your going to be on limits of engine and definitely clutch! You'll have insurance issues as you cant hide a great whopping turbo
And then you'll be stuck at square 1 again with trying to upgrade things like exhaust+inlet manifolds/injectors/fuel pump etc along with eventually needing to pay for another remap.
As i said in the other thread the inlet and exhaust mani will just give sustained power rather than increasing the peak figures! Might still be getting same peak power but might be getting more power at the redline!
At least if you go the turbo way you have more power everywhere!!
At least if you go the turbo way you have more power everywhere!!
I just cant justify paying the hybrid price which is more than the garrets etc (infact even more) for somthing that isnt proven
Fair comment i suppose! I was in a different situation to you guys though, as my turbo blew up, and cost of standard k04-023 was £650 on exchange! So i thought the extra £300 was worth while.
In that case i would have done the same. Im sure its a great bit of kit but i had my fingers burned, jumped on then chopped off by being one of the first to get the AM exhaust so im warry of getting a unit that may only give a few extra bhp.
Im going to wait to see whta you lot get and if all goes well i will get one later on as jbs and jabba have put me off.
Ive given up listening to the "experts" as they cant all be right as there telling me conflicting things.
going to wait until i see real results
Im going to wait to see whta you lot get and if all goes well i will get one later on as jbs and jabba have put me off.
Ive given up listening to the "experts" as they cant all be right as there telling me conflicting things.
going to wait until i see real results
which maf(/housing) do you think would work ?
i don't see why you need to upgrade your maf(/housing)
i'm still using the standard maf (with 440cc injectors @3bar)
But your running stage 3 software to suit arn't you? So it will not matter as the fuelling maps will be correct, I'm just using the APR software, so with the 4BAR FPR it'll be overfuelling! The ECU can only adapt so much before it suspects a problem and throws a fault code!
The 3" ID MAF housing brings the adaption to around -4% which the ECU is quite happy living with! (over -/+ 20% the ECU suspects something's wrong and throws a fault code up)
The 3" ID MAF housing brings the adaption to around -4% which the ECU is quite happy living with! (over -/+ 20% the ECU suspects something's wrong and throws a fault code up)
GTRS is - $1,850.00 (£980) on the ATP website. Dunno if that is incl/excel of any taxes or shipping.
Imolavirus K04 based on a used donor - $1132ish (£600) Shipped to your door.
Imolavirus K04 based on a new donor - $1,880ish (£1000) Shipped to your door.
L&S Cartec K04R €849 (£570).
IHI Vf34 on its own about £1000 from Jabba, cheaper if imported. But a little bird told me once Jabba's IHI aren't standard
GT28RS on its own $1175, GT2871R $1195
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So, I don't know where you went to school Scotty
AFAIK, only a couple of GTRS been fitted, and one of those is DDX's. TBH that looks a bit laggy (stock manifold & dp, personally I think it's the dp -well, as there isn't a manifold to try yet, it would make sense to start there!). Reports of fitment issues on RHD, but Karl said earlier that he'd been assured it would fit. Can't recall any other graphs.
Plenty of GT28RS's and other Garretts fitted, so we can assume they're reliable, if correctly fitted.
Sie has his Imolavirus on, figures look good even if the boost is all over the place. I know of a couple of others fitted, one I think on a BAM engined Mk1 Golf, and another on an S3. Plenty of them fitted on S4s and RS4s, do a search on Audiworld. Never seen figures on either of the 1.8Ts, but it apparently took AMD months to get round to mapping the S3, so the owner pulled it and took it somewhere else; suggests problems or tuner capability issues? The only thing that would put me of is his myspace
K04R was on Casper's old Ibiza, that was custom mapped (and agressively, IMHO) and was claimed to have 300ps IIRC. Someone I spoke to a while back said that L&S were a very good bunch to deal with.
If you want to hang on to see if Sie's blows up - fine (I'd probably do the same if I were in your shoes
), but don't kid yourself/others that your not doing it because it costs too much. It's a good sound bet, on paper its a very good inbetween for AMK/BAM motors as it looks like it'll run with minimal changes. Like Mitchy says, for the money, it a steal.Now give me a hand down off my soapbox
But, at full throttle, more air is going in that the MAF is seeing and as the ECU's not using the Lambda sensor, you might be running lean. I think that was the jist of what Kev said.
I'm not sure if the ECU applies the long term fuel trims to open loop though?
So, don't by that Dahlback just yet use the money for a remap
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