Wheel spacers.......?

[Sisson]

Right then, having gone back to my standard wheels, they look too far in the arches and so want to purchase some wheel spacers for the back and maybe the front......?

I know Badger5 do 15mm rear ones for around £90....But...

Can 20mm spacers be fitted to the rear and what size is safe for the front axle... 5-10mm?????

What do people think to the site below?

Clicky Clicky

P.S has anyone got any before and after pics of spacers fitted please?

Cheers

Adam

 

[Ibiza Evo 2]

I got spacers at the back of 25mm.
I have spacers of 20mm for the front also but there not fitted yet,will do this some day this week.

It's safe if you use this type of spacers (not the ones with longer bolts).The spacers are bolted to the hub and then you fit the wheel at the spacer itself.
These are the ones I got too.

I got them from http://www.spurverbreiterung.de/index.php?lan=de.

They're made from light alloy.

before

after

The front ones are not fitted yet.

 

[Sisson]

Thats awesome mate...

Why are the ones you suggested better than having longer bolts???

Will you let me know when you've fitted the fronts please

 

[Icecavern]

As long as they are hubcentric you should be ok. But with thick spacers the ones that bolt onto the hub, then the wheels bolt to the spacer are better as it puts less stress on the bolts.

 

[Sisson]

Im more than likely gonna go for 20mm rear spacers, ones thar bolt to the hub, then the spacer... and then see how the front will look..

Do hubcentric mean its got a lip on the centre bore for the spacer to locate???

 

[Icecavern]

yeah I would never use non-hubcentric spacers for anything over 5mm max

 

[Ibiza Evo 2]

Icecavern already gave the correct answers

With thick spacers it's better that you use this type.There available from 20mm and thicker.

 

[Sisson]

The website i posted will do me the type you suggested in 20mm for £60

Ill get these fitted and then see how the fronts look...

Thanks for your help fella.....

 

[ibizacupra]

As long as they are hubcentric you should be ok. But with thick spacers the ones that bolt onto the hub, then the wheels bolt to the spacer are better as it puts less stress on the bolts.

WRONG!

no difference what so ever.
Hubcentric, load is taken by the hub spigot, wheel bolts CLAMP, same as without a spacer.

What you have ended up with is studs/bolts for holding the wheel on now running into the spacer itself, which is aluminium. (softer than the steel hub of std, so hopefully your spacers have steel inserts in them)

 

[Icecavern]

Interesting, I was told that even though the spigot is taking the load you were increasing the shear on the bolts as there's two sheer points.

 

[Sisson]

so do i need alloy spacers or steels ones???

 

[BeezerDiesel]

so do i need alloy spacers or steels ones???

What Bill's saying is that the spigot (centre bore) needs to be steel for strength. Some spacers come as aluminium spacers with a steel spigot insert, where you basically slide the spigot over the original centre on the hub, then slide the spacer over the spigot, and then attach the wheel to the spacer. Sounds odd but makes sense when you see one! These are lighter and probably cheaper to produce. I had a pair on the rear of my old mk3 Beezer, they were a work of art and nicely anodized, far too pretty to put on the car!
One piece spacers should be of steel construction for spigot strength.

 

[Icecavern]

I think he means steel bolt holes not the spigot ring that needs to be steel. As Aluminium is quite soft for the bolt threads to hold onto.

Thinking more on it Bill is right, longer bolts into the steel hub is going to be far better than shorter bolts into aluminium.

 

[ibizacupra]

Interesting, I was told that even though the spigot is taking the load you were increasing the shear on the bolts as there's two sheer points.

nope.
hub takes the load.. bolts clamp.

someone talking BS to you.

shear would be bolt/stud and wheel/hub rotation trying to shear.
(same as with or without spacer)

same load on non hubcentric spacer.... with no centre spigot to take load to wheel hub. Still shear, but worse in that bolts would take full shear load without hub spigot, hence it not being advised.

 

[ibizacupra]

What Bill's saying is that the spigot (centre bore) needs to be steel for strength. Some spacers come as aluminium spacers with a steel spigot insert, where you basically slide the spigot over the original centre on the hub, then slide the spacer over the spigot, and then attach the wheel to the spacer. Sounds odd but makes sense when you see one! These are lighter and probably cheaper to produce. I had a pair on the rear of my old mk3 Beezer, they were a work of art and nicely anodized, far too pretty to put on the car!
One piece spacers should be of steel construction for spigot strength.

nope, not quite.
ally (quality) hubcentric spacers from the likes of H&R, Eibach etc for example are fine. Hub engagement and loads are transferred thru the hub spigot so all fine and dandy.

The 20mm and above bolt on type (which are also sold by the likes of H&R/Eibach etc) have studs/steel inserts for the wheel bolts to bolt into, and cap head bolts to bolt the spacer to the hub. These are still hubcentric spacers, but bolt on ones.
The example I gave above was to ensure the threaded portion you wind your wheels bolts to, should really be steel inserts and not plain ally thread. (or studs coming out of spacer, which themselves should be steel inserted)

Centre spigot does'nt need to be steel, wheel bolt threads should be.

The ones posted on that (crappy buggy) website, look like they are just tapped holes in the ally... in which case you are worse off strength wise than a steel bolt into a steel hub.

 

[Icecavern]

nope.
hub takes the load.. bolts clamp.

someone talking BS to you.

shear would be bolt/stud and wheel/hub rotation trying to shear.
(same as with or without spacer)

I stand corrected

 

[BeezerDiesel]

I stand corrected

Me too! I remember now - the spigot was aluminium and the spacer was steel!!! I got thinking about it after I posted up, as I got thinking about plasic spigot rings and remembered it was the other way around! D'oh!

In my defence it was a good few years ago now!

 

[ibizacupra]

no worries.

 

[DIFT]

What size ones do you do for the rear of a Mk4 Bill?

I know they come with longer bolts, so does that mean I wouldnt be able to run my current locking wheels nuts?

 

[Sisson]

Right....

Ive ordered some 20mm spacers made in steel.

They have the 10 holes in, 5 holes which are threaded for the existing bolts to thread into and the other holes are countersunk for the new supplied bolkts to bolt to the hub...

If that makes sense...

Will post up when they are fitted.