Warning mk2 owners!

[Grayboy]

mk2 Ibiza's should come with a bad weather warning in 7 years of driving (4.5 in my first car 205 Gti never crashed it) i'd had a fair few lift off brown trouser moments most of which I have controlled as I felt them going but the Ibiza was on a suicide misson that faithful night as it gave me no warning when it dived into a bank headfirst! R.I.P
Will be fitting spacers to my next one for sure!

 

[wilz]

i agree with the above it gives no warning as i have found out on a notrious wet corner slid rite round back first in to an embankment, she still lives on tho. need to post up pics of my car when i get the skirts ondont know how to though?????

 

[Rosc0PColtrane]

almost any one can drift a front wheel drive a lot of rally cars are driven is in a drift style like james wozencroft its all down to the brake balance and car settup

It's till not drifting!!

It's lift off oversteer. It's down to weight shift.

Drifting requires powered rear wheels. While weight shift makes drifting easier, ultimately, drifting can be achieved by overzealous application of the right foot. In a FWD car, that just causes understeer.

Lift off oversteer is a rallying technique. I have had first hand experience of trying it.

Oh and best used in applications of limited traction.

 

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Utter pish. True enough, it won't drift in the "drifting as new fangled motorsport discipline from Japan" sense, but that's adoption of an existing term to mean a specific case of. Like "coilovers". I digress. Getting back to drifting, it's quite possible to push pretty much anything into a four wheel drift if you try hard enough. It's "simply" a question of slip angles and exceeding the mechanical grip provided by your tyres...

To strip back the prose laden post you so eloquently tangled yourslef up with. A handbrake turn is not drifting.

Drifting is a modern term for powersliding. FWD cars cannot powerslide!!

As I mentioned before, lft of oversteer is possible, as a rallying technique. Though it's not a 4 wheel drift. It's about breaking traction with the rear wheels. The fronts retain traction.

The 4 wheel drift you propose in a fwd application is mearly loss of control.

 

[soamer]

that is one form of over steer the other is done through the brake bias have most of the brake power at the rear then by left foot braking the back locks and slides while the front wheels are having the wheel spin reduced then giving a great acceleration out of the corner,
I teach this technique to friends or mates when helping them set up their cars
i agree that drifting needs rear wheel drive for a prelonged slide but i on track days fwd cars that just drift around corners

 

[Rosc0PColtrane]

More like a slide similar to a handbrake turn then.

 

[soamer]

To strip back the prose laden post you so eloquently tangled yourslef up with. A handbrake turn is not drifting.

Drifting is a modern term for powersliding. FWD cars cannot powerslide!!

As I mentioned before, lft of oversteer is possible, as a rallying technique. Though it's not a 4 wheel drift. It's about breaking traction with the rear wheels. The fronts retain traction.

The 4 wheel drift you propose in a fwd application is mearly loss of control.

OK
a hand brake turn is a hand brake turn that is a corner where you need to slide the rear of the car around dure to it being to tight to drive around!

to drift a car that is understering in a fast or even quick corner,
with a qucik pull on the hand brake in a flat or quick corner you change the cars attitude from under steer to over steer!
any car can drift fwd rwd 4wd it is not a preserve of RWD

 

[Hayz]

When i first got my car I took it to huge carpark when it was wet just to have a play to see how far i could push it.. I love lift off oversteer. Talk about big grin..

I've only had the back end go out once unexpectidly.. although is was being a bit of a tit.. Thought I'd try and have this bmw of the line... you can get up to about 60ish before you get to this bend, never gone that fact round it before normally im a chicken driving like this.. (oh and it was wet) a reasonable sized sweeping bend.. The car didn't snapped out though... or go to spin it was just a nice controlled bit of side ways action... hehe..

My old car was a bitch for understeering though, that was a little 1.4 1995 ibiza...

 

[soamer]

which is a drift the car drifts around the corner just because you pull the hand brake dose not mean its a hand brake turn for that the cat must slide at an agressive angle

 

[Hayz]

Drifting is RWD!! You cannot drift a FWD car

 

[soamer]

you can im sorry i was tought how to by a very well now racing driver who i used to work with and if you see some fwd on a track day and rally stages some are set up to drift

yes i agree that for a prelonged drift and for a quick change of direction and mantain the drift it would be RWD preserve
but drifting is not modern at all its been around for a very long time in the usa for the old shale shifters they drift for anything up to 20/30 secounds.

in the uk one of the first cars to have the trem drifting attached to it was the mk1 escort and through out the seventys the term was used a lot to describe the cars sliding a round the corners

 

[soamer]

if you want to see modern fwd cars drifting look for the 5th gear programs on you tube from when they used anglsea race track FWD do DRIFT!!!!!

 

[F2 Stu]

Sweet jesus have we anything else better to argue about?

 

[skahigh]

you can im sorry i was tought how to by a very well now racing driver who i used to work with and if you see some fwd on a track day and rally stages some are set up to drift

yes i agree that for a prelonged drift and for a quick change of direction and mantain the drift it would be RWD preserve
but drifting is not modern at all its been around for a very long time in the usa for the old shale shifters they drift for anything up to 20/30 secounds.

in the uk one of the first cars to have the trem drifting attached to it was the mk1 escort and through out the seventys the term was used a lot to describe the cars sliding a round the corners

20/30 seconds of drifting???????? surely not?