Revo Remap Question!

[NathWraith]

Ok, thanks for the input. Do you know this from experience?

He doesn't have to know from experience. It is a well known fact na engines are a lot harder to tune than turbo engines. Especially small na engines.

The best modifications you can do are breathing mods; manifold, exhaust, induction kit etc.

The gains will be small however.

 

[Nutkin]

He doesn't have to know from experience. It is a well known fact na engines are a lot harder to tune than turbo engines. Especially small na engines.

The best modifications you can do are breathing mods; manifold, exhaust, induction kit etc.

The gains will be small however.

true the best bang for the buck you can do is breathing but you will need to map it to run them propperly, i reckon up to 10bhp can be gained from a well modified NA engine. But it isn't about bhp gains a remap is about improving the power curve and smoothing out flat spots and sacraficing in a way economy for performance. you think the BTCC NA cars run a stock map?

 

[NathWraith]

you think the BTCC NA cars run a stock map?

Not for a second. But we are talking about a standard road car here. A remap would be the last thing on the cards to bring all the mods together.

 

[adambolus]

I think you can get around 10-15 bhp from mapping a 1.4. I can stay with my mate who has a 1.5 civic coupe, has 105bhp standard but he has a zorst on. So mine must be around the 100bhp Mark.

I say if you can afford it go for it. Drives a lot nicer and has cured the Flat spots, only one is at 80 on a hill it just sits there then thinks we will carry on lmao

 

[lukeyyyyy]

My friend got his 1.4 corsa remapped, it went from 0-60 in 3min 27 to 3min 23, it also enabled him to take over mobility scooters and broken down tractors, point of this story is its not worth it,

 

[char_baby]

I think you can get around 10-15 bhp from mapping a 1.4. I can stay with my mate who has a 1.5 civic coupe, has 105bhp standard but he has a zorst on. So mine must be around the 100bhp Mark.

I say if you can afford it go for it. Drives a lot nicer and has cured the Flat spots, only one is at 80 on a hill it just sits there then thinks we will carry on lmao

100bhp?

Pretty sure from most websites i've read it on, it goes to about 90-95bhp.

Right. Look. Found this on a website to show how much you'd gain if you map.

Ibiza (2008+) (6J) Model Original
Seat Ibiza 1.4 BHP: 85 BHP Tuned BHP: 94 BHP

this website, http://www.moremilespergallon.co.uk/Seat/

there are plenty of others willing to do it. About £200 from what i've seen.

Type in on google, seat ibiza 1.4 85bhp remap.

Apart from the first link being SCN they are all remap companies.
(link incase you're abit lazy, http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=ps....,cf.osb&fp=720c00a85a284773&biw=1280&bih=692)

 

[Nutkin]

Not for a second. But we are talking about a standard road car here. A remap would be the last thing on the cards to bring all the mods together.

what do you think touring car regulations require you to start with


Anyone who says it isn't worth it clearly doesn't understand modern engines and thinks a map just cranks up the boost like their dads used to do winding out the turbo actuators.

I say with modern cars if you want a smoother and more performance feel to your acceleration a remap is your answer! If the ECU works the way vag ones do it is a good way to improve fun for a very small amount of cash.

 

[grant 123]

what do you think touring car regulations require you to start with


Anyone who says it isn't worth it clearly doesn't understand modern engines and thinks a map just cranks up the boost like their dads used to do winding out the turbo actuators.

I say with modern cars if you want a smoother and more performance feel to your acceleration a remap is your answer! If the ECU works the way vag ones do it is a good way to improve fun for a very small amount of cash.

your fighting a corner which doesn't need fighting for.

I have been in a remapped 1.2 with closed induction kit, 4 into 1 decatted manifold and aftermarket inlet manifold... Guess what, it was still slow, and drank more fuel. the guy tried overtaking my stock 1.2 and it struggled to overtake, just made lots of noise.

Honestly, save your money, buy some new tyres or brake upgrade or something, or suspension upgrade.

 

[adambolus]

i agree with nutkin on this one, you dont map a car for bhp (although this is nice )
You do it to smooth torque lines and remove/reduce flat spots.

 

[Nutkin]

your fighting a corner which doesn't need fighting for.

I have been in a remapped 1.2 with closed induction kit, 4 into 1 decatted manifold and aftermarket inlet manifold... Guess what, it was still slow, and drank more fuel. the guy tried overtaking my stock 1.2 and it struggled to overtake, just made lots of noise.

Honestly, save your money, buy some new tyres or brake upgrade or something, or suspension upgrade.

probably cause the guy ditched his backpreassure and didnt know how to drive.

 

[5509433]

Didn't mean to cause an outburst! But thanks for clearing up what a remap is done for! I wouldn't imagine that making companies would lie about bhp gains, considering they would have to show it on a dyne print out.

Thanks for the link char!

 

[COBBERS]

Any1 gonna translate the origional post haha

 

[char_baby]

Thanks for the link char!

No worries, you'd gain at least nearly 10bhp either way and bound to notice a small, tiny, difference.

 

[Mr_Dave]

Ok, thanks for the input. Do you know this from experience?

I've had one mapped. Yes. a 1.6 returned another 5bhp, it felt marginally smoother. MPG barely noticable.
Without actually doing stuff to the engine I'd say there's 0 point.

also - char, claims are nothing, chipped UK used to claim 30bhp from a map there. MoreBHP claim big too, but their maps still suck and don't achieve
Don't believe everything you read..

 

[VRSLOZ]

The only reason I wanted my old 1.4 Sport remapped was the fact it (and many other sports) had an awkward flat spot that I hoped a remap would cure.

Looking at it sensibly, if you have the money and the flat spot is annoying you then go for it, it should sort it out a treat. If not then I wouldn't bother, save your money for the next car. The gain you will recieve from the remap will be hardly noticable and it will take a lot of extra modifications to make it anywhere near 100bhp (closed air intake, cat back exhaust, remap, possibly uprated cams). Don't get me wrong, I like your thinking, I had the same thoughts last year, but you soon realise how much it will cost to see a minimal gain

As for not being able to run a more expensive car I think you should seriously look into it, the running cost of my Fab is exactly the same as my old Ibiza

 

[adambolus]

The only reason I wanted my old 1.4 Sport remapped was the fact it (and many other sports) had an awkward flat spot that I hoped a remap would cure.

Looking at it sensibly, if you have the money and the flat spot is annoying you then go for it, it should sort it out a treat. If not then I wouldn't bother, save your money for the next car. The gain you will recieve from the remap will be hardly noticable and it will take a lot of extra modifications to make it anywhere near 100bhp (closed air intake, cat back exhaust, remap, possibly uprated cams). Don't get me wrong, I like your thinking, I had the same thoughts last year, but you soon realise how much it will cost to see a minimal gain

As for not being able to run a more expensive car I think you should seriously look into it, the running cost of my Fab is exactly the same as my old Ibiza

there was someone on here ages ago that i found a rr thread yesterday, he had a new 4-2-1 manifold and full exhaust and had a dyno read out of 104 bhp!! No remap or anything, personally i think that this is just generous dyno readout.

Il try get my car dyno'd when i can

LOZ im sure if he could afford to get a vrs or a cupra he wud, but the cost of buying the vrs is the problem i think. It is for me anyway :/

 

[VRSLOZ]

I just mean if you are spending an extra £1-3k on mods (about £1k for engine mods) you could fessibly just about afford to buy a quicker car from the get go.

As said I admire people modifying lower spec cars, I used to do it, just know that money could go to something a little more well specc'd

 

[adambolus]

yeah i know what you mean, but people say save your money but its easier said then done as im sure u know lol
Its nice and easy to buy lots of small things spread out over time

although tbh i think i have only spent around £200 modding mine so far

 

[5509433]

It's the up keep of the faster car that I can't do. If I bought a faster car, I wouldn't be able to mod it, because I couldn't afford the mods.
The insurance will be higher per year, I will be paying more for the car per month.

Spending 3K on mods is easier and affordable as you don't have to worry if you can afford insurance, or the loan for the car. I wouldn't want a car that I couldn't afford to mod, unless it was an Aston Martin or something.

So far I have spend a fair bit on mods, but they are not individual to that car. Tyre upgrades, wheel changes can be used on other cars. Suspension changes and bulbs arnt that expensive.
I'd rather save for mods and get them when i can afford them, then worry if I have enough money in my account for outgoing payments on the car.

 

[VRSLOZ]

I totally understand mate but definitely check out the pricing of running a 1.4 TSI, there is no difference for me compared to my old 1.4 NA Ibiza. Surely the insurance on your car is a bit more now due to the mods on it?

Anyway we're going a little off topic. Do you get ticked off with the flat spot?