Optimum rpm for best mph

Ibiza_Dave

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Hi guys and girls. I've got a pd100 ibiza and im looking for the best mpg possible. I unfortunately don't have a trip computer so can't see what im getting.

Am i right in thinking that for best fuel economy i should keep my rpm at peak torque?

Any input would be greatly appreciated

Dave

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Ibiza_Dave

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Optimum Rpm for best mpg it should have read

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Any serious input?:what:

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Jordanwaterhous

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I kid i kid, It's not really about RPM, it's about throttle position.you can be at 4kRPM and not be using any fuel if your foot is off the throttle.

However the most economical speed is 56mph, which is read at 60mph on your speedo.
 

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Just under 2000rpm I think, suits me. Use fuelly to work out your mpg over a tank of fuel
 

Ibiza_Dave

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Thanks for the input guys. If i travel at 70 its 2.2k rpm 60 is just under 2k rpm my peak torque is around 1900 rpm according to my seat manual. So i guess i was along the right lines with peak torque for best mpg

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However the most economical speed is 56mph, which is read at 60mph on your speedo.

a common misconseption. It is true that this is the speed used in many standard cyclic tests and this gives the best mpg of the standard cyclic tests, but thats not to say its the most efficient speed.
For example, do 50 mph and you will probably get better mpg than doing 56mph.

however, this said, 56mph is a pretty efficient speed.

(putting aside the possibility of over gearing) the most efficient speed will for the most part be:
In top gear, with the least amount of throttle required to maintain a speed. Simple as that.
Whether this ends up being 40, 45, 50... i cant say.
Different cars will have different speeds at which they are most efficient; weight, drag coefficient, tyres, indivual engines etc etc all have an effect on the most efficient speed of a vehicle. Larger heavier will tend to have a slightly lower speed to get maximim mpg.


45 - 50 would give you a great mpg... my guestimate for your car would be something like 48 mph.

You are onto something considering torque if you wanted to find a speed that gives you a happy mix of good mpg and progress. But do not confuse peak torque with being the most efficient speed for the best possible mpg, this simply isnt the case.
Someone might argue that peak torque is the most efficient, and it might be in terms of engine output if comparing input to output. However mpg is not about this ratio but instead the lowest amount of fuel required per cycle of the engine to propel a vehicle while maintaining its motion.


PS 56 mph i think is often used for cyclic testing as its actually a representation of 90kph
 
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Ibiza_Dave

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Thanks for your detailed reply Andy. Would cruise control have a negative affect on mpg?

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FR_MATT

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I've always thought there was too many variables for 56mph to be valid for all cars like people say.

Btw my speedo only has 1-2mph error at 70mph, I checked with a few sat navs so I wouldn't assume it is reading that much lower
 

FR_MATT

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Thanks for your detailed reply Andy. Would cruise control have a negative affect on mpg?

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Depends how you drive, If you would otherwise be speeding up and slowing down it would help. However, if you are going up hills or something it maybe better without so it isn't giving it the beans to keep it at exactly x speed
 

andycupra

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Thanks for your detailed reply Andy. Would cruise control have a negative affect on mpg?

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For most people it will have a positive effect on mpg, however technically a disciplined driver should be able to get better mpg than cruise. But most drivers are simply not as good as they think or really know how to get good mpg.


Ill try to answer without writting a novel:

In short, cruise is REACTIVE.
A driver can be PREDICTIVE and so should have an advantage. (but many drivers are not very predictive)

For most people cruise would have a positive effect, - particularly on the motorway as there are no junctions, tight bends or sigificant hills. (motorways have a maximum incline to be classified as a motorway)
The main thing is people will tend to speed up through boredom whereas cruise wont so much of the gain is simply that cruise is disciplined. Its also a relaxing drive.
I would say to anyone thinking of cruise to go for it, one of the things you dont know you needed until you get it.

However, if you get a good driver, and you are say on an A road with gentle bends and hills a driver that knows what they are doing can get better mpg than cruise.

Hills also, its better to use downhill sections and allow speed to increase and use this speed for the uphill section without applying more throttle. Cruise would cut off on the downhill section, which is great, but then it also does not take advantage of the downhill section so when the uphill section arrives it pumps in much more throttle to maintain the speed conteracting to gain on the downhill section.

ANTICIPATION is everything to get great mpg. But then anticipation should be used all the time by everybody. - Try doing your next drive without using the brakes at all. This will soon teach you alot about how to get along using less fuel and surprise yourself as you find yourself keeping up with other cars that are driving faster than yourself but not anticipating junctions, roundabouts and traffic lights!
 
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I read somewhere that 56mph is the most average/generic economical speed

although I appreciate gearing has a factor, I have found it to be true
 
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